Would anyone know where I could get a black Ti Military Spyderco? The guy I buy my knives from has one, but he says they are few and far between. I saw on a previous post that Chinook has one. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris
black Ti Military model
I was extremely lucky as the guy offered it to someone else in a post and the guy declined because he wanted a newer one. This is the 2 screw clip model in ATS34 steel. It is black all over (screws, clip, liner, lanyard liner, even the serrations) except for the diamond engraving on the blade.
I don't normally like coated blades. Its the only black blade I own, butt it seems right for this model.
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I don't normally like coated blades. Its the only black blade I own, butt it seems right for this model.
Disguised as a responsible adult.
I recently acquired a knife with boron carbide coating (BM forum knife). From what I have been hearing about the finish and my personal limited experience with BC on the forum knife, I think this may be the future of black finished blades.
The rockwell hardness rating for the BC coating is very high which should make it highly scratch resistant. Perhaps Spyderco can look into offering this finish on select knives (e.g., the Military, Police, Endura, etc.). Sorry, if this post is off topic but since the subject is a black bladed Military I wanted to suggest the BC finish instead of Black Ti. I would be willing to pay for the extra factory cost which should be around $20 per knife. (Someone recently re-finished a CRK Sebenza with BC for that price in the after market).
I think many owners of non-BC finished Spyderco models would seriously consider buying the BC version of their favorites. Seems like a way to increase sales without the need to create and tool up for a new model.
The rockwell hardness rating for the BC coating is very high which should make it highly scratch resistant. Perhaps Spyderco can look into offering this finish on select knives (e.g., the Military, Police, Endura, etc.). Sorry, if this post is off topic but since the subject is a black bladed Military I wanted to suggest the BC finish instead of Black Ti. I would be willing to pay for the extra factory cost which should be around $20 per knife. (Someone recently re-finished a CRK Sebenza with BC for that price in the after market).
I think many owners of non-BC finished Spyderco models would seriously consider buying the BC version of their favorites. Seems like a way to increase sales without the need to create and tool up for a new model.
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Fellow Militarians...
I am trying to make a decision regarding newer vs. older Military's; as follows:
I own a new style (black letter) CPM-440V Military. I also own an ATS-34 plain edge version, w/ diamond cut lettering.
I find ATS-34 steel MUCH easier to resharpen than CPM-440V, in fact my pe Millie is one I traded for a CPM-440V version that I had originally bought, for this reason.
Now I have the opportunity to trade my new style CPM-440V, black lettered serrated model for a NIB ATS-34 toothy Millie, with diamond cut engraving. It has the three screw clip, which I hear is a good thing and indicates that it has certain lock improvements at that stage of manufacture and development.
(Chinook - we discussed the lock issue before my last Millie trade...)
The ATS-34 Millie also has a knurled lower portion on it's rear blade tang (correct term?) which seems to indicate an earlier version. I happen to really like this style.
So I'm wondering if I would be giving up very much in terms of pivot and lock design improvements if I were to trade my newer one for the older one. I would gain ATS-34 (my preference) and the nice engraving. And, then MY two would match better. Oh yeah, also black clip would become silver clip.
One more consideration. Doesn't it seem like the newer style Military serrated knives have a shallower blade profile (from spine to edge of teeth) than the older ones? Perhaps this is just an illiusion because of the different lettering style, but it seems so to me.
So, what do y'all think?
Jeff/1911.
Edited by - Jeff/1911 on 1/5/2002 1:26:21 AM
Fellow Militarians...
I am trying to make a decision regarding newer vs. older Military's; as follows:
I own a new style (black letter) CPM-440V Military. I also own an ATS-34 plain edge version, w/ diamond cut lettering.
I find ATS-34 steel MUCH easier to resharpen than CPM-440V, in fact my pe Millie is one I traded for a CPM-440V version that I had originally bought, for this reason.
Now I have the opportunity to trade my new style CPM-440V, black lettered serrated model for a NIB ATS-34 toothy Millie, with diamond cut engraving. It has the three screw clip, which I hear is a good thing and indicates that it has certain lock improvements at that stage of manufacture and development.
(Chinook - we discussed the lock issue before my last Millie trade...)
The ATS-34 Millie also has a knurled lower portion on it's rear blade tang (correct term?) which seems to indicate an earlier version. I happen to really like this style.
So I'm wondering if I would be giving up very much in terms of pivot and lock design improvements if I were to trade my newer one for the older one. I would gain ATS-34 (my preference) and the nice engraving. And, then MY two would match better. Oh yeah, also black clip would become silver clip.
One more consideration. Doesn't it seem like the newer style Military serrated knives have a shallower blade profile (from spine to edge of teeth) than the older ones? Perhaps this is just an illiusion because of the different lettering style, but it seems so to me.
So, what do y'all think?
Jeff/1911.
Edited by - Jeff/1911 on 1/5/2002 1:26:21 AM
Jeff/1911...
I find no difference in the blade width of my oldstyle black-ti SE Military compared to my newer model SE Military. Butt there is a great deal of difference in the serrations. The older style is shallower which may account for your perception of width difference.
The changes in the lock were the arc grind on the mating of the liner and the ramp on the end of the blade and also the eccentric pivot which allows adjustment for wear in the lock parts.
The 3 screw clip is not a reliable indicator as that change came before the lock change. I am not an expert butt the knurled or grooved choil on the bottom rear of the blade indicates to me that it does not have the improved lock, butt again, I don't know for sure
The clip is available in black or silver for a nominal fee from Spyderco so thats no problem.
'tis a puzzlement
butt now I think I'll sleep on it ><g>
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I find no difference in the blade width of my oldstyle black-ti SE Military compared to my newer model SE Military. Butt there is a great deal of difference in the serrations. The older style is shallower which may account for your perception of width difference.
The changes in the lock were the arc grind on the mating of the liner and the ramp on the end of the blade and also the eccentric pivot which allows adjustment for wear in the lock parts.
The 3 screw clip is not a reliable indicator as that change came before the lock change. I am not an expert butt the knurled or grooved choil on the bottom rear of the blade indicates to me that it does not have the improved lock, butt again, I don't know for sure
The clip is available in black or silver for a nominal fee from Spyderco so thats no problem.
'tis a puzzlement
butt now I think I'll sleep on it ><g>
Disguised as a responsible adult.
Chinook,
Thank you very much. This is most helpful information to me.
Shallower serrations on the old style model would certainly explain my perception of the depth of the blade. That's it exactly!
Is your new style Military one with black lettering on the blade? If so, does it happen any perceptible blade play up/down when locked open? Mine does. It isn't much, but it's there. My old style plain edge has absolutely none.
This makes me think as I recall reading something from Joe Talmadge (I think it was) where he explained that a liner lock should have NO blade play at all. This makes sense to me, considering the design.
Anyway, I prefer a lot of things about the older version here, but I'm still wondering about the lock design althgough I suspect it'd be just fine. I'll let you know what I decide, in any case.
Thanks again, Jeff.
Thank you very much. This is most helpful information to me.
Shallower serrations on the old style model would certainly explain my perception of the depth of the blade. That's it exactly!
Is your new style Military one with black lettering on the blade? If so, does it happen any perceptible blade play up/down when locked open? Mine does. It isn't much, but it's there. My old style plain edge has absolutely none.
This makes me think as I recall reading something from Joe Talmadge (I think it was) where he explained that a liner lock should have NO blade play at all. This makes sense to me, considering the design.
Anyway, I prefer a lot of things about the older version here, but I'm still wondering about the lock design althgough I suspect it'd be just fine. I'll let you know what I decide, in any case.
Thanks again, Jeff.
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Here is a picture of my "new/old" serrated Military, procured today.
http://ca.msnusers.com/theSpydercoianco ... PhotoID=37
Ain't she purty?
Jeff/1911.
http://ca.msnusers.com/theSpydercoianco ... PhotoID=37
Ain't she purty?
Jeff/1911.
Jeff, you're not alone. I prefer the ATS-34 Military, too--it's a subjective thing. We're lucky that we still have the opportunity to acquire that version. Mine is a plain edge without the grooves on the bottom rear portion of the blade (or whatever it's called). I wish this blade was available with boron carbide finish.
Marauder2002, let us know how the aftermarket BC treatment turns out.
Marauder2002, let us know how the aftermarket BC treatment turns out.
toothed,
I have one of those Millie's as well. If I could only own one, that plain edge would be it. Here's a picture of mine:
http://ca.msnusers.com/theSpydercoianco ... PhotoID=34
They sure are a beautiful knife. I'm glad I'm not the only one who prefers them, makes me feel less alone.
Jeff/1911.
I have one of those Millie's as well. If I could only own one, that plain edge would be it. Here's a picture of mine:
http://ca.msnusers.com/theSpydercoianco ... PhotoID=34
They sure are a beautiful knife. I'm glad I'm not the only one who prefers them, makes me feel less alone.
Jeff/1911.