Two Questions for Sal...

ASmitty · #1

Hey,

Just had a couple of questions for Sal. I was thinking recently about H1. According to the Spyderco website it is "rolled hard without heat treating", what I'm wondering is if this is a necessity of replacing the Carbon with Nitrogen or if it is just a feature of this particular steel? Basically, does steel in which Nitrogen has been used instead of Carbon have to be prepared like this or was it simply something that was chosen to do with H1?

My second question is about the updated Dragonfly. I was wondering what the time frame is on the new Dragonfly if there is one yet and also what changes you guys are looking at implementing in this model if you are able to share?

Padawan · #2

ASmitty wrote:My second question is about the updated Dragonfly. I was wondering what the time frame is on the new Dragonfly if there is one yet and also what changes you guys are looking at implementing in this model if you are able to share?

And while we're on the subject, how about transforming the current FRN Dragonfly into a "Salt" with a modified, H1 blade? :)

yablanowitz · #3

Personally, I like the flat ground blade of the current Dragonfly too well to give it up for H-1.

From Sal's explanations elsewhere, the steel requires the current working methods, just as the steel precludes full flat grinds. I'm sure he will correct me if I have misundersttod his posts on the subject.

ASmitty · #4

yablanowitz wrote:Personally, I like the flat ground blade of the current Dragonfly too well to give it up for H-1.

Well, I think Padawan's request was to use the current integral clip model for a Dragonfly Salt once the upgrades are in effect on the actual Dragonfly model. Meaning you'd have the new Dragonfly with a full flat grind and the old style handle with a saber ground H1 blade.

ASmitty · #5

Padawan wrote:And while we're on the subject, how about transforming the current FRN Dragonfly into a "Salt" with a modified, H1 blade? :)

You have my full support on this idea.

Piet.S · #6

Some fine jimping on the choil and cusp like it is on the Lava would make it an even better little knife.
My wife carries and uses an FRN and I the SS D'fly, both are great pocket scalpels.
I like sharp over big.

Padawan · #7

ASmitty wrote:Well, I think Padawan's request was to use the current integral clip model for a Dragonfly Salt once the upgrades are in effect on the actual Dragonfly model. Meaning you'd have the new Dragonfly with a full flat grind and the old style handle with a saber ground H1 blade.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

I figure the existing blade shape could use some tweaking in order to make it more "Salt-like" anyway, so the change in grind would come along with that. I really feel that there's a bit of a hole in the line-up as far as a small Salt goes, and the Dragonfly seems a very logical choice to serve as the platform for one. Just an idea, but thanks for the support ASmitty. :)

clovisc · #8

only problem with a dragonfly salt is that sal said he can't do flatground H1. i remember seeing some older, hollow-ground dragonflies, though...

i still EDC a SS PE dragonfly almost daily... have been doing so for over a year now. i've found ATS-55 to be extremely rust resistant. i'm very interested in any variation or permutation of the dragonfly, although i'm not sure a hollowground dragonfly salt would be my first choice...

cobrajoe · #9

I'm all for a little salt based on the D'fly. I'm thinking a little yellow, integral clip, sheepsfoot SE H1 bladed FRN handled knife would be a great thing :D

Padawan · #10

cobrajoe wrote:I'm all for a little salt based on the D'fly. I'm thinking a little yellow, integral clip, sheepsfoot SE H1 bladed FRN handled knife would be a great thing :D

Exactly. :D

Only can I have mine in PE please?

ASmitty · #11

cobrajoe wrote:I'm all for a little salt based on the D'fly. I'm thinking a little yellow, integral clip, sheepsfoot SE H1 bladed FRN handled knife would be a great thing :D

Hold the Sheepsfoot and I'm with you all the way.

cobrajoe · #12

ASmitty wrote:Hold the Sheepsfoot and I'm with you all the way.

Well, not a true sheepsfoot, but similar to the Salt 1 and pacific. Scaled down a little bit of course

Padawan · #13

[quote="cobrajoe"]Well, not a true sheepsfoot, but similar to the Salt 1 and pacific. Scaled down a little bit of course ]

Cobrajoe and I are on the same page here. :) Think we can drum up enough interest to make it worth Sal's consideration?

Padawan · #14

[quote="cobrajoe"]Well, not a true sheepsfoot, but similar to the Salt 1 and pacific. Scaled down a little bit of course ]

Cobrajoe and I are definitely on the same page here. :) Think it could generate enough interest to make it worth Sal's consideration?

ASmitty · #15

[quote="cobrajoe"]Well, not a true sheepsfoot, but similar to the Salt 1 and pacific. Scaled down a little bit of course ]

Oh, well then I'm still on board.

Padawan · #16

ASmitty wrote:Oh, well then I'm still on board.

That's the spirit! :D

Hammurabi · #17

I think a dragonsalt would make the perfect first Spyderco since it would be sized for smaller hands, would be a great steel to learn to sharpen on and would be built to take the abuse of being put away wet or ran through the washer in pants pockets.

cobrajoe · #18

ASmitty wrote:Oh, well then I'm still on board.

Heck, if I had it my way I'd make the little guy with pretty much every blade shape that would fit, hawksbill, sheepsfoot, spearpoint, reverse S, Captain style, everything in SE as well as PE.

It's probably a good thing I don't run the company.