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UK KEN wrote:The blade, unlike any other slip joint I own closes into the handle with no resistance at all when it disengages from the magnetic “joint”. It swings free, there is no back spring to slow its progress as in other slip joints.
Interesting info Ken. I did not even consider the the issue of the blade having little resistance to movement once the magnetic "lock" is disengaged. Even though I consider myself to be adept in one-handed knife closing, I still prefer to have resistance aid me in the closing process. The issue might be remedied somewhat by pivot tightening but it would probably involve a tradeoff of having a stiffer opening.

For good/bad this is another interesting feature of the T-mag. Oh well, sorry for adding to all of the conjecture :rolleyes:
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Great discussion here! I see Ken's point: I never had the chance to hold a T-Mag in hands and have no personal experiences with it. Therefore I will not post any of my presumptions. (between you and me: I'm sceptical too)
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I personally won't decide to buy it untill I see it. I will start the whole process with the belief that Spyderco engineering did their job on this one and it will be safe for the uses they designed it for.

Didn't the designer have customs on the market for awhile now anyway? It couldn't be that bad or Spyderco wouldn't have picked it up. I have faith in Spyderco. They haven't steered us wrong yet. Joe
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The Mastiff wrote: I will start the whole process with the belief that Spyderco engineering did their job on this one and it will be safe for the uses they designed it for.

Didn't the designer have customs on the market for awhile now anyway? It couldn't be that bad or Spyderco wouldn't have picked it up. I have faith in Spyderco. They haven't steered us wrong yet. Joe
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Well Felly, this has surely been one emotional thread! ;)
As with most my spyderco clipits, I never get to hold one until after I purchase it (by internet).....as they say....the proof will be in the pudding.....I personally can't wait to taste it! :)
Bring on the TMag! :cool:
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[quote="jaislandboy"]Well Felly, this has surely been one emotional thread! ]
All the negativity really gets to me! :rolleyes: I'm sorry, when it comes to Spyderco, I'm NOT skeptical, and that's all there is to it. ;) Yes Brian,
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fellyjr wrote:All the negativity really gets to me! :rolleyes: I'm sorry, when it comes to Spyderco, I'm NOT skeptical, and that's all there is to it. ]BRING ON THE T-MAG!!![/size] :D :D :D :D
hey count me in on this! i've been jonesin' for the t-mag since i heard about the rumors spyderco was developing a slipjoint using magnets. this is only the second spyderco that i've been on a waiting list for (the first being the captian, though i was also on one for the szabofly until that got put on indefinite hold).

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The Deacon wrote:Does seem like a fairly expensive platform to use for a "gimmick" knife.
"Gimmick" ???? I find it amazing how negative people are about a knife they have'nt even handled!. Too funny, it makes me wonder what people said the first time they saw a Spyderco Worker with the hole in the blade and a two screw clip. Ahh, it's just another "Gimmick" knife. Not for me is probebly what a lot of people said. And then they handled it and happen to see what an amazing knife it was.

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[quote="fellyjr"]Thanks clovisc! My thoughts exactly. ]


I'm with you, Felly!! I appreciate Spyderco for taking that "risk" and doing something new, different or off the wall!!! I love the designs and as long as they keep trying, I'll keep buying!!! Thanks Sal and Crew!!! :D
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Effigy wrote:I was surprised to hear that the T-Mag is starting to ship, as there doesn't appear to be the usual hype and discussion on the boards about it.

I'm awaiting mine, but since I got to handle one, I can't say I'm too excited about this little puppy :(

What's your view?
Well, I seem to have lifted a lid on this one :D

Time will be the final judge on this - it will either sell or it wont. Period.

However, I have been surprised by the posts that condemn any percieved criticism of a Spyderco product.

Sal very openly talks about wishing to get feedback on the products and service that Spyderco provide - he cites it as one of the main reasons for the Roadshows - and its a big factor in what attracts me to Spyderco.

The fact that the top guys are willing to discuss and listen to what ELU's think about the product is what makes Spyderco stand head-and-shoulders above any other company that I know or deal with.

And, for what it's worth, I have handled the T-Mag, and I have expressed my concerns personally to Sal (and Gail).

I just hope that this knife doesnt detract from the fact that Spyderco is the only knife maker that I am aware of who is currently thinking about designs of new slipjoints.
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While I have not handled the T-Mag, I agree on many points with UK Ken, and like him have a fairly extensive collection of Spydercos and have carried some that others would consider strictly safe queens. Like him also, I do hope the T-Mag sells well for Spyderco but I don't view my knives as an "investment" so the fact that the T-Mag may someday be worth money is not an incentive for me to run out and buy a bunch to squirrel away.
Steelman wrote:"Gimmick" ???? I find it amazing how negative people are about a knife they have'nt even handled!. Too funny, it makes me wonder what people said the first time they saw a Spyderco Worker with the hole in the blade and a two screw clip. Ahh, it's just another "Gimmick" knife. Not for me is probebly what a lot of people said. And then they handled it and happen to see what an amazing knife it was.

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Sorry if the term offended you, or anyone else. Perhaps "novelty knife", the term Spyderco themselves used to categorized the Meerkat in some dealer catalogs, would be more palatable to you.

The Spyderhole served a purpose, and while it looks odd its purpose and advantages are obvious. The same with a pocket clip, at least as far as purpose goes. Some people, myself included, still find it of little or no benefit to us personally, but can accept its inclusion as long as it can be readily and neatly removed. "Better" steel can always be understood, if not always appreciated.

This is different. I cannot see any way it is technologically superior to the UKPK, but can see several "downsides" to it. Getting locked out of your hotel room might be funny. Getting locked out of your office, or being unable to pay for your groceries, might be less so. Then there's the question of life expectancy. To the best of my knowledge all magnets loose strength over time. If, as most who have handled the T-Mag have said, the magnet's grip is relatively weak to begin with, how long will it be acceptably effective. The blade retention on the UKPK at least inspires confidence, the T-Mag, from what those (aside from Jurr) who have handled it have said, does not.

For me, the most whiz-bang non-locking folder in the world is still technologically inferior to a halfway decent locking folder. IF (and that's a huge if) I were to want to carry a non-locking folder I would opt for a traditional looking multi-bladed slipjoint with stainless or brass bolsters and natural material scales. If I'm going to carry a folder with a single 3" blade, it will definitely lock and almost certainly have a Spyderhole, but I'd carry a front-lock Byrd or a BRK Native before I'd carry a T-Mag.

Edited to add: One last thought, I wonder what Canadian and British customs will think of it. If the blade releases from the closed position easily enough "flick", will they confiscate them as "flick knives"?
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Deacon, I don't think they would be classified as flick knives, though it is a very valid question!

As a long term SpyderHolic, I also am surprised to find myself on the receiving end of what others have called "brand fanaticism". I like Ken and The Deacon own a large number of Spyderco knives. I am unsure how many at the moment, but it must be over 50 at the very least.

I consider Sal, Gail, Eric, Jur and the whole Spyderco gang as my friends. When Eric showed the T-Mag to me at the Leeds meet up and I handled it, I expressed an interest in the technology being developed, but honestly was amazed at how weak the magnet was compared to the resistance of the UKPK or other slipjoints. It is a beautiful knife and very well made as I would expect from a Spyderco knife. I did express my doubts to Eric and Sal, though I did not make a big deal out of it.

I honestly thought it was a prototype and the production model would be much stronger in terms of holding power.

Now as much as it saddens me to feel the annoyance of the Spyder faithful, I have a good name in the knife world for not expressing an opinion based upon anything other than what I feel and believe to be true. Sal could send me a hundred free knives and I would still say to his face with eye contact exactly what I thought of each knife he sent me and I KNOW he would respect that. Spyderco need not bother ever again visiting shows and meet ups if everyone just nodded their heads and said how magnificent every knife was, while whispering the opposite to each other while his back was turned.

Sal, Gail and Eric always struck me as people who accept constructive and properly reasoned criticism and remarks with the understanding that it can be very awkward and difficult to say such things when you see the obvious excitement and pride in a knife that Eric for example has for the T-Mag. I thought the T-Mag was a brilliant concept and a fantastic looking knife TILL I tried it in my hand.

fellyjr, your blind faith to the brand is admirable, however have you held the knife and tried it? I comment from having a good look and play with the knife. Not on hearsay or from appearance.

I commend Spyderco for its vision and playing outside the box. I am sure there are many who laughed and said it would never work to idea's like the SpyderHole or the pocket clip and Spyderco are no doubt used to being in this position of innovating and developing new idea's and concepts. This is one of the reasons I LOVE Spyderco. I bet many said the UKPK would not sell and it did. Sal took a risk with that project and it went well.

My final thinking on the T-Mag is that the weakness of the blade retention could be seen as an advantage in a world where even a stiff slipjoint is called a lock knife by ignorant people. There was a situation where in the UK where a Police officer said the UKPK was a lock knife because of the sound it made when "locking open", that snap or clicking sound was making it a lock knife... :rolleyes:

The T-Mag has no such problem and as the user will block the ability of the knife folding with his finger in the choil, it is unlikely the knife will close under normal and careful use. This I accept.

The average person though will see the price of the product and see how easily it closes without the "feedback" you get from a slipjoint and will return it to the shelf. If I handed this knife to a bunch of NKP, I guarantee you most would get cut as NKP don't expect a knife to fold so easily. The finger choil cut out is a brilliant feature, if the user understands the need to use it without fail.
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This isn't a cult, you know. Spyderco makes a good product and they seem to be "good folks" and I'm happy to own a number of their knives and to have given a number away and talked up the brand. But I don't like every knife they make. I think that's a good thing - it's a sign that they not only have some great general purpose products, but some more niche, specialized products that are great for some people and not so great for others. Some knives I might appreciate but see no point in owning if I at least understand why they're designed that way.

On this one, well, I'm still skeptical. If people rave about them I'll take a second look. If somebody involved with the design posts some thoughts as to what they think the advantages are I might appreciate the knife even if I don't buy one. Part of why I bought a Kris was reading the explanation of how functional the blade shape is, and sure enough it cuts like a demon and I've carried it quite a bit. I was hoping that in one of these threads somebody from Spydero would chime in with their thoughts but it hasn't happened yet.

PS Note that "your finger keeps it in place" is a "good enough" argument not a "superior" argument.
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The T-Mag is one that I've been waiting for a long time. Just got an email from NGK that mine is in!!! It may be gimicky, but heck I think it's cool. I like the blade size, blade steel, carbon fiber, wire clip, etc... No, I haven't handled one yet, but will let you know what I think after I get mine...soon, I hope.
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I just got the awesome news from NGK too! :cool: I'm very excited and really can't wait for it to arrive. ;) :D
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Slatts wrote:The T-Mag is one that I've been waiting for a long time. Just got an email from NGK that mine is in!!! It may be gimicky, but heck I think it's cool. I like the blade size, blade steel, carbon fiber, wire clip, etc... No, I haven't handled one yet, but will let you know what I think after I get mine...soon, I hope.
I'll have mine next week as well. I imagine lots of pics with accolades and/or critcisms to be coming forth from us who receive the model.

Based on overall cost, materials used, and the described "functional-ability" of the knife, my guess is that the target market for this system isn't your average "Do-it-yourselfer" who most often enjoys Spyderco's products. If they wanted everyone to buy and carry one, they would have made it Meerkat sized/priced.

No need for anyone to get upset. Focus on the product, not the personalities of the "opposition". :)

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zenheretic wrote:I'll have mine next week as well. I imagine lots of pics with accolades and/or critcisms to be coming forth from us who receive the model.
Same here Zen, can't see this one ever seeing the inside of any of my pockets, but hey, miracles happen. :D
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The Deacon wrote:Same here Zen, can't see this one ever seeing the inside of any of my pockets, but hey, miracles happen. :D
Yeah? You might even post a picture of yourself in a suit and tie too. :p
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zenheretic wrote:Yeah? You might even post a picture of yourself in a suit and tie too. :p
I would rate the probability of those two events as roughly equivalent. ;) :D
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i'm waiting mine too from ngk, only i'm overseas ,so i will read your reviews while still waiting.. btw , i dunno what to expect.. i'm a bit skeptical, but i love the blade shape,and i know the perfectionism of Spyderco, so..
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