This Scares Me

[Jimd]

this article is really especially sensational, even for "sensational journalism."

it seems really clear the author is trying to manipulate his readers. the guy who makes the absurd claim the koran encourages killing children -- how can you and why would you take anything else he says seriously?!

if this indeed is an example of the kind of information our higher-ups are reading and basing decisions upon, its EXTREMELY scary.

What you haven't thought about is the fact that every single intelligence source cannot be revealed to support every iota. As stated earlier, we are at war. Governments do not give up all their intel. sources.

Now, about what the Q'uoran says......Does it really matter? Let's take a look for a moment. Does the "Holy Q'uoran" say ANYWHERE within it's text that it's followers should board airplanes, slay the pilots, and they fly the planes into buildings, killing thousands of men, women, and children? Could anyone point out the verses that say it's alright to do that?

Well, somehow, Al Qaeda, et. al., have determined it does say that. They're further interpreted that it's perfectly okay to carry on a war against the U.S., and to kill as many of our citizens, whether military or civilian. You guys do know that, correct?

Do you honestly doubt that they're not going to press further attacks against the U.S.? They've already killed thousands, so it did happen here. Or do they have to kill a couple more thousand people to remind folks what went on in NYC, The Pentagon, and in that field in Pennsylvania?

[Jimd]

i should add... my thoughts are by no means meant to irk you, Jimd, or any of the other concerned readers...

just my $0.02 . it's always important to question what you read, the motivations behind it, the sources of information, the clarity of the argument...

while the thought of people targeting children with violence is indeed awful, and while everything should be done to prevent such situations, i don't feel like this article does a very good or responsible job about examining the situation and producing constructive commentary.

That's just it....(and I'm not irked or angry at you or in my response). The information is from a very reliable source. In addition to that, it was showcased at a law enforcement seminar in Atlantic City.

It isn't as if it's some secret blog by a right-wing lunatic meant to spread terror. This info, by now, has been disseminated throughout at least part of our law enforcement community, and I'm praying that preparations are being/have been made.

That's how serious it is.

The people who are on the same mailing list that I am range all the way from the bottom to the top of the law enforcement ladder, and it's no small number. Of course, they aren't simply spoon-fed this information without checking the sources.

[Jordan]

Sorry, man, just interjecting an opinion... I didn't realize that it would be insulting to disagree, and though I obviously failed, I tried to be respectful. To clarify, I didn't mean to imply that you put that information up to scare people. I meant that the article was originally written to scare people, better yet, I meant to imply that I perceived it as being written to scare people. You have every right to be upset over such an accusation though, I'll make an effort to avoid such implications in the future. It wasn't cool.

I would be more than happy to further discuss this issue with you as two adults with dissenting takes on the issue... but lets not do it on the open forum. Huugh was right to post a link to Taz's thread. This is clearly a subject that people are going to have strong opinions on... and it has very little to do with knives. Feel free to PM me if you like, I enjoy debating on politics, and there are certainly things I would still like to interject on this particular issue if you'd care to entertain them.

Peace?

[Jimd]

Jordan, peace. Perhaps I misstook your point about the article being written to scare people and thought you meant I posted it as criticism against me. Your last post was very polite and well articulated, and I thank you.

Honestly, though...my last several posts are not meant to be argumentative. Rather, I'd like to put into perspective the enemy that has declared war against us. I don't believe our foe is to be taken lightly or casually.

And for real...I hope the information in this article that we're talking about has no basis, and that it never happens. I love my kids so much, I can't imagine something like this happening to anyone's children.

I think we can continue here with our discussion as long as we keep things calm. I'm trying to keep things from being political, instead focusing on threats to all of our well-being.

[MacTech]

I respect your opinion, however...if it was scaremongering - wouldn't this be broadcast all over the place?

How can you scare people by keeping information on the "down-low"?

True, this'd be perfect fodder to shore up support for the War, after reading the thread again, i can see how this could be possible, dear Og, i hope it doesn't happen

if it does happen, what really scares me is how we would respond to the attacks, heck, my primitive, primal response to the 9/11 attacks was to want to see the Nukes soaring skyward, i know it's a completely innapropriate and incorrect response, but i can't deny the fact i wanted to see some pretty mushroom clouds where the terrorists choose to hide...

i simply cannot fathom that level of deep-seated, ingrained hatred, we're all Human after all, hating people because of their religious beliefs, ethnicity, or other reasons is completely illogical, we need to look past our petty differences and learn to get along, we're all Human, more alike than not

however, anyone who voluntarily chooses the Terrorist path, well lets just say that IMHO they've chosen to leave their Humanity behind, they may be biologically a Homo Sapiens Sapiens, but they're not *Human*

[Medic]

Call me cynical if you must, but this seems like scaremongering to me, however I *DO* agree with the idea to allow unrestricted CCW in all states, when i lived in Vermont, Vermont has no CCW permit needed, *anyone* old enough to legally own a firearm can carry concealed, except on Government property or in schools, everywhere else is fair game

coincidentally, Vermont has one of the *LOWEST* crime rates in the U.S., admittedly, yes, Vermont is somewhat underpopulated to begin with, and that *IS* a factor, but even with no CCW needed, Vermont is not a hotbed of crime like the sheeple would have the public believe....

i agree with you, i cant stand that almost NO ONE can carry a gun on them in NJ. i think thats bullshit. even if i carry one in my car, if someone were to attacked me and i didn't kill them i'd be sued for everything i got.

[shu]

if someone were to attacked me and i didn't kill them i'd be sued for everything i got.

And if you do kill them, their relatives can sue you for everything you've got.

[edkrueger]

Jim,

This post makes me so angry. When I read something like this I think that nothing would be better than to just bomb the entire middle east. Take 'em all out. Leave nothing left but a glass parking lot. Then maybe we wouldn't have to deal with the bullsh** anymore.

What scum.

What Hypocrisy!!! Even if the entire middle east was glassed we would still have to deal with the same "bullsh**" from Americans like your self.

[edkrueger]

Jimd I am very glad you shared this with us. I am really worried about our country's security as I know you and others here on this great Forum are. I just have one question and I can't get one straight answer from government, Law Enforcement or anyone else as far as that goes.

We are supposedly a country at war. Supposedly at war with terrorists who mean to harm this country in more ways than one.

My one question is this? Why are our borders wide open and why are there between 20 to 30 million ILLEGAL ALiens in this country ( with the blessing of those in charge I might add) :mad: ?

With our borders open like a cattle gate we can expect a constant threat looming over us like this

Its amazing how easy it is to confuse TERRORIST with ILLEGAL ALIENS. Most of these people are only illegal because they either cannot afford to apply for visas or they applied after the quota filled up.

[Gollum]

What Hypocrisy!!! Even if the entire middle east was glassed we would still have to deal with the same "bullsh**" from Americans like your self.

What should we do then???
Give them a great big hug???
Wild Fire!!!

[cgjones]

Most of these people are only illegal because they either cannot afford to apply for visas or they applied after the quota filled up.

I normally don't like to get involved in the more heated discussions on this forum, but I did want to weigh in on this comment. These people are illegal because they have entered this country illegally. Not because they couldn't afford a visa or because the quota was full.

[Jimd]

What Hypocrisy!!! Even if the entire middle east was glassed we would still have to deal with the same "bullsh**" from Americans like your self.

I really am trying to keep this discussion civil here. I don't believe we need posts that are hostile toward each other.

Right now, there are plenty of people who hate all Americans to go around. I don't think we need to hate each other.

Further...I don't see how the man displayed hypocrisy; he stated his opinion, right out there, for all to see. He wasn't pretending to be something he wasn't, which is what hypocrisy means.

I believe that our borders are far too open for two reasons:
1. Illegals are soaking up billions of our tax dollars and not contributing to our economy.
2. It's VERY easy for terrorists to penetrate this country without us having any idea. Don't believe it? It already happened. Twin Towers. Dead Americans.