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Military Failure

Postby Bluntrauma » Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:49 pm

I just found this while looking around for Spyderco video clips. I'm wondering why the lock failed so easily. Do you think it was abused or perhaps a factory defect? It seemed to have an awful lot of play before he started whacking. Just curious.

Perhaps it was a plug for CRKT. I think the knife he tested after that one looked like an M16. Not for sure though.

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Postby Piet.S » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:04 pm

The problem here is that the Millie has a lot of play between the blade and the liner.
This makes it easy for the blade to push the liner aside.
I'v seen one like this before and that was an older model with a concentric pivot.
The language in the movie is Dutch so it's possibly the same.
I do not believe this is to badmouth the knife but to show the problem in order to get it fixed.
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Postby Bluntrauma » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:15 pm

Hey thanks for weighing in. I wasn't sure if it was to promo another knife or just an honest concern. It wasn't like I could understand him. :)
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Postby denn » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:19 pm

Piet.S wrote:The problem here is that the Millie has a lot of play between the blade and the liner.
This makes it easy for the blade to push the liner aside.
I'v seen one like this before and that was an older model with a concentric pivot.
The language in the movie is Dutch so it's possibly the same.
I do not believe this is to badmouth the knife but to show the problem in order to get it fixed.
yup, way too much space between blade and liner. whether they screwed up the eccentric pivot setting or by a factory defect/lemon (it WAS an issue on some of the early ats34/440v-models.....) that liner come nowhere near the kick of the blade

also the liner bended way too much to the right, which a) shows that the play is indeed too much, or b) they mangled up the liner

yeah, sure that M16 ain't gonna fail the spine-whack. it's got a LAWKS lock for the liner....... :rolleyes:

bunch of dumbasses in that vid.......

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Postby Kaizen » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:20 pm

How common is this issue? I've been considering getting a Mili for my next knife, but if this is too common, I'll have to look elsewhere.

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Postby denn » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:22 pm

on the recent models (say 2001 until now: not common at all.

on the older ats-34 and cpm440v's you might find a lemon or two when it comes to the liner. i had to adjust the pivot of my 440v'er as well, but it's an easy fix, and it's rock-solid now.

don't worry about it

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Postby clovisc » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:25 pm

had an older 440v abused for 3+ years by vampyrewolf and myself, used to throw it at trees -- HARD -- don't ever recall any problems with the lock... :D

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Postby denn » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:35 pm

my cpm440v'er only needed minor adjustment to the ecc. pivot

the one in the video is a really bad lemon :eek: . they didn't even have to 'whack' it, just tapping it did the trick. that mili was just plain bad, or tampered with. never heard nor seen it that bad

i think this video is best to be forgotten ASAP. questionable at the very least

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Postby arnon » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:42 pm

denn wrote: bunch of dumbasses in that vid.......

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Postby denn » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:46 pm

whaddaya mean? those dudes in the video are dumbasses, period.

they think they made a great video to show how "bad" the military was. but they never bothered to see the obvious: that Mili needs serious work, and that M16 in no comparison because they engaged the LAWKS liner-lock-locker

they're just dumbasses :)

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Postby Kaizen » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:51 pm

denn wrote:whaddaya mean? those dudes in the video are dumbasses, period.

they think they made a great video to show how "bad" the military was. but they never bothered to see the obvious: that Mili needs serious work, and that M16 in no comparison because they engaged the LAWKS liner-lock-locker

they're just dumbasses :)
Since I can't understand a word they're saying, I wouldn't be able to tell if that is their true intention. I'm sure they might be dumbasses. They may also be ignorant, but sincerely concerned knife users.

Thanks for the reassurance on the Mili Denn.

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Postby arnon » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:51 pm

denn wrote:whaddaya mean? those dudes in the video are dumbasses, period...........
they're just dumbasses :)
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Postby denn » Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:03 pm

comparing a totally liner-crippled Millie to an M16 with Lawks-slider is just not fair, and makes no statement whatsoever. it doesn't make sense, nor does it 'prove' anything

if they'd showed only the Millie to show the 'whack'-failure, i'd understand the point of the video

they're simply comparing apples and oranges

don't mess with the Millie! :D

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Postby Tom v S » Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:12 pm

That is my military, and it is my CRKT M16, mather of fact, its also my D4 lying on the table.
This movie was made to show the problem I had with my Military in 440V. I asked the question on http://www.weapons.be, and Piet S. asked it on this forum for me:

http://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23881

http://forum.weapons.be/showthread.php? ... genumber=2

They told me about the concentric pivot, and after playing with that thing, the problem was fixed. Didn't fail spinewacks since.

I did some spinewacks with the M16 to show how much force was used on the Mili, and to show that it wasn't fake or something. There was no LAWKS used when spinewacking.This movie was not made to show how bad the Mili was. In fact, the Military is my favorite knife! You can see some pics of the same one here on the forum.

So Denn, don't call me a Dumb *** if you don't know what was the problem. Would appreciate that :)

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Postby denn » Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:31 pm

awww, crap. i'm so sorry i called you and Piet dumbasses.......:footin mouth smiley:.........sorry guys, i got the wrong impression :o

one of my famous oh-no-posts to add to my impulsivity-list...... :o :(

my sincere apologies guys.....

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Postby redhawk44p » Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:02 pm

I can understand your zeal in protecting the Mili Denn. It is one of my pets too. I know the guys understand the D.A comment being Spydie men.

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Postby denn » Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:04 pm

sure hope so, feel like a total dumbass myself right now. crap! :(

i'm gonna hit the sack, nighty night everyone! ;)

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Postby Zac » Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:37 pm

The tang is moving too far over on lockup.
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Postby Piet.S » Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:24 am

Glad you got it fixed Tom, bet it makes a good user.

Hey Dennis, I wasn't on the vid, no apologies needed here.
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Postby Tom v S » Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:20 am

It's alright Denn :) I can understand that you want to protect the almighty Military. The people at Spyderco are just human, so sometimes it can go wrong. I never heard of the same problem, searched for others with the same problem for a while, but nobody had seen this failure on a Mili it before...

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