Combat Functionality of Spyderco "LAVA"

DAYWALKER · #81

Hannibal Lecter wrote:My Dear Daywalker,

Exactly. :D

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Hannibal

Aloha Hannibal,

Good to see you!

God bless and take care Knifebrother... :)

Michael Cook · #82

Blackscorpion47 wrote: I am into a wham, bam, thank you ma'am blitzkrieg defense on the street, and that often requires a "checking hand" somewhere during or into entry. Which, by the way, is what "chi-sao/sticking hands" is supposed to be a tool for rather than just standing in one place, revolving arms, striking, countering, and wasting time rapidly! But, I know that you don't know what any of that means...nor do most forum readers. But you can bet your last dime that DAYWALKER and a few others know the gist of what I'm talking about.

:spyder :o h, true dat, Blackscorpion47! Along with falling skills sumbrada live hand training is some of the best SD stuff out there! (I'm also very partial to the seemingly endless variations of hubad-lubad)

Train hard and stay safe, people! :spyder:

zenheretic · #83

Michael Cook wrote::spyder :o h, true dat, Blackscorpion47! Along with falling skills sumbrada live hand training is some of the best SD stuff out there! (I'm also very partial to the seemingly endless variations of hubad-lubad)

Train hard and stay safe, people! :spyder:

Now this is defense discussions at their finest. Michael has thrown out some words and/or concepts that I have no idea what they mean. Since I know Michael is dedicated to training, I might ask him for more info. and/or go digging about the net to see if it is something I should look into for my bag of tricks...I mean Ninja smoke clouds only work on windless days :cool: :)

DAYWALKER · #84

zenheretic wrote:Now this is defense discussions at their finest. Michael has thrown out some words and/or concepts that I have no idea what they mean. Since I know Michael is dedicated to training, I might ask him for more info. and/or go digging about the net to see if it is something I should look into for my bag of tricks...I mean Ninja smoke clouds only work on windless days :cool: :)

Aloha zen'bro,

L :D L!!! Add to your search some penantukan...goes well later with Hubud. :p

Yeah, smoke clouds also suck when it's raining. Also be advised that if you manage to set one off succesfully in tall grass, the effect lasts TOO long.

Alrighty 21day man, God bless :cool:

vampyrewolf · #85

What most ppl don't seem to realize is that there are 3 combat ranges...

Kicks (6')
Punches (3'-4')
Elbows, knees, grappling (2' to contact)

You can do far more damage at close contact with even minimalistic training if you know how to wrestle. Kickboxing and greco-roman wrestling vs FMA. Both unarmed, any guess who wins? We had lots of fun at my last job during breaks.

zenheretic · #86

vampyrewolf wrote:What most ppl don't seem to realize is that there are 3 combat ranges...

Kicks (6')
Punches (3'-4')
Elbows, knees, grappling (2' to contact)

You can do far more damage at close contact with even minimalistic training if you know how to wrestle. Kickboxing and greco-roman wrestling vs FMA. Both unarmed, any guess who wins? We had lots of fun at my last job during breaks.

My guess is the individual willing to up the ante the most.

Dr. Snubnose · #87

My guess would be the smarter of the three.....Doc :D

DAYWALKER · #88

Blackscorpion47 wrote:
I am 60 years old, and like DAYWALKER, in excellent physical shape most of the time (you can see a picture of me on my exercise website at: http://phatoday.tripod.com ...I don't weigh quite that much today because I no longer choose to train with heavy resistance, but I am still strong as an ox, functionally muscular, fast, and have the footwork of a "salcero."). Believe it or not, my self-defense weapons of choice in the past have been "clave sticks" and "sturdily constructed ink pens." I have done a lot of damage to a number of street vermin over the years with just those two tools (backed up with a lot of FMA training of course). I have noticed that the vermin are upping the street weaponry arsenals of late, so the least I can do is add edged weapons to MY arsenal...and, yeah, I have done the deed with edged weapons in the past...and barely survived...but I won and haved lived to tell about it.

I'm sure that you will want to slip in some sly comment about my needing to get a steroid blood test, or something to that effect. Never took "roids," and never will. I would venture to say that DAYWALKER can say the same. The muscle building he and I do is for athletic fitness conditioning enhancement and SURVIVAL in the contemporary urban jungle. We, and others like us, use training with iron to develop optimum functional muscular development and an IRON WILL. You don't need that to keep a neat desk, etc, etc.!...

Aloha Blackscorpion47,

Cripes man...is that YOU in the pic on the left of the link you posted?

Impressive! Keep it up sir, keep it up!!!

God bless and stay safe :cool:

Puyallupknifegu · #89

Blackscorpion47,

Nice post for your fourth post!! LOL!!

Hey, I agree with you.

Hannibal and Daywalker: Thank you!

Originally Posted by DAYWALKER
Differences in opinion, fine. Personal attacks, not.

I think THAT is what I've been trying to say more than anything else...!!

denn and Simona, I understand that you have different opinions. Ok :)
As long as we aren't attacking one another, it doesn't bother me. Ok?

That is my perspective.

Tim :D

DAYWALKER · #90

vampyrewolf wrote:What most ppl don't seem to realize is that there are 3 combat ranges...

Kicks (6')
Punches (3'-4')
Elbows, knees, grappling (2' to contact)

You can do far more damage at close contact with even minimalistic training if you know how to wrestle. Kickboxing and greco-roman wrestling vs FMA. Both unarmed, any guess who wins? We had lots of fun at my last job during breaks.

Ahhhhh Pat,

Not a fair question. I mean, **** man, you ARE the Terminator! :eek:

However, not so much the art, but the person behind it IMHO. Sorta like the revolver vs semiauto debate, caliber debate, knife size debate, and... :D
Example:

Pat, you know how to APPLY your stuff...that's why YOU (where'd this "we" come from? :p ) had fun at your last job!!!

CQ is "where it's at", and minimalistic techniques that are simple and devastating are what keep you alive in my experiences. (And in Pat's co-workers cases, they work!!!)

Be safe Terminator B, and God bless :cool:

Dr. Snubnose · #91

Loved reading your Blog and other web-site,BlackScorpion...Doc :D

Monocrom · #92

To add some more fuel to the fire.... or a barrel of old-fashioned gun-powder, the Lava would not be useful for me, for SD.

But that's only because I use an unsual reverse-hammer grip. Straight-handled tactical folders work best for me.

Please take note of the key word. I could definitely see Chad's design being used for SD, and the best part is that it doesn't even remotely look like a weapon. Mostly because, I feel it would make a great key-chain knife. :)

vampyrewolf · #93

zen: usually it wasn't a case of being more aggressive, simply the will to go until they give up.

doc: three? since when does 'both' equal three :p

The big difference with it is that you need to flow. I see ppl trying other MA stuff and stopping dead in thier tracks when a 'deadly windmill kick at chest level that sends opponent flying' misses or they figure flash is more important than hitting hard. You don't have time to react, you simply go with it. "Combat" (aka 15min sparring matches) end when a person either CAN'T move or is too tired to move. Surprised me even how many ended with a leg locked around an arm or a good grip on the throat. Nothing like freestyle wrestling with no boundries and no-holds barred... usually ended up bouncing your skull or shoulders off the ground a few times.

You want to see how "effective" CQC is? Sharpie fights. 2 guys, 4 markers... go till you either inflict a 'major wound' or someone says stop. Best one I ended by dragging the marker from shoulder to opposite hip (and apparently pushing hard enough that it left a nice scratch so there was even blood). I ended up with a dozen or so good ones on me (including a line from elbow to wrist) that would have done decent damage. He ended up with about 50 'stab' marks and that nice 'slash' on his chest. I even lost a few rounds from trying to get in and not getting out fast enough (unless you don't call a line down your neck and shoulder 'major' :eek :)

Dr. Snubnose · #94

vampyrewolf wrote:What most ppl don't seem to realize is that there are 3 combat ranges...

Kicks (6')
Punches (3'-4')
Elbows, knees, grappling (2' to contact)

You can do far more damage at close contact with even minimalistic training if you know how to wrestle. Kickboxing and greco-roman wrestling vs FMA. Both unarmed, any guess who wins? We had lots of fun at my last job during breaks.

Sorry VW: I saw three distinct arts and missed the both part, new answer:::The smarter of the two :p Doc :D

Dr. Snubnose · #95

vampyrewolf wrote:zen: usually it wasn't a case of being more aggressive, simply the will to go until they give up.

doc: three? since when does 'both' equal three :p

The big difference with it is that you need to flow. I see ppl trying other MA stuff and stopping dead in thier tracks when a 'deadly windmill kick at chest level that sends opponent flying' misses or they figure flash is more important than hitting hard. You don't have time to react, you simply go with it. "Combat" (aka 15min sparring matches) end when a person either CAN'T move or is too tired to move. Surprised me even how many ended with a leg locked around an arm or a good grip on the throat. Nothing like freestyle wrestling with no boundries and no-holds barred... usually ended up bouncing your skull or shoulders off the ground a few times.

You want to see how "effective" CQC is? Sharpie fights. 2 guys, 4 markers... go till you either inflict a 'major wound' or someone says stop. Best one I ended by dragging the marker from shoulder to opposite hip (and apparently pushing hard enough that it left a nice scratch so there was even blood). I ended up with a dozen or so good ones on me (including a line from elbow to wrist) that would have done decent damage. He ended up with about 50 'stab' marks and that nice 'slash' on his chest. I even lost a few rounds from trying to get in and not getting out fast enough (unless you don't call a line down your neck and shoulder 'major' :eek :)

I love to fight with colored chaulk...this way not a lot of scrubbing and soaping up afterwards...it really does prove the point that there is no winner iin a knife fight...only someone who survives....Doc :D

Sundown · #96

Chad,
Aloha, brother! :) As I sit here, looking at my Subcoms & Lava, I can't help but realize that, when it comes to SD knife design, you know your stuff!! :cool: I have seen a lot of trollish comments made by a person who has a checkered past on the forums, not to mention, has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to the kind of work that that you and guys like Jim do.

My position has always been, if you have trouble even understanding what a troll is trying to say, partly because they don't have the decency to attack you and your design in good english, forget about it! :D At least you know that you can visit and post on BF, and our "other place", and hold your head up high. For someone else, the same can not be said. :D

God Bless,
Sundown

P.S. Did I mention I LOVE my Lava?!?!!!! :eek: :spyder:

Sundown · #97

Chad,
Aloha, brother! :) As I sit here, looking at my Subcoms & Lava, I can't help but realize that, when it comes to SD knife design, you know your stuff!! :cool: I have seen a lot of trollish comments made by a person who has a checkered past on the forums, not to mention, has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to the kind of work that that you and guys like Jim do.

My position has always been, if you have trouble even understanding what a troll is trying to say, partly because they don't have the decency to attack you and your design in good english, forget about it! :D At least you know that you can visit and post on BF, and our "other place", and hold your head up high. For someone else, the same can not be said. :D

God Bless,
Sundown

P.S. Did I mention I LOVE my Lava?!?!!!! :eek: :spyder:

Sundown · #98

Chad,
Aloha, brother! :) As I sit here, looking at my Subcoms & Lava, I can't help but realize that, when it comes to SD knife design, you know your stuff!! :cool: I have seen a lot of trollish comments made by a person who has a checkered past on the forums, not to mention, has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to the kind of work that that you and guys like Jim do.

My position has always been, if you have trouble even understanding what a troll is trying to say, partly because they don't have the decency to attack you and your design in good english, forget about it! :D At least you know that you can visit and post on BF, and our "other place", and hold your head up high. For someone else, the same can not be said. :D

God Bless,
Sundown

P.S. Did I mention I LOVE my Lava?!?!!!! :eek: :spyder:

denn · #99

read it so many times, i almost got scared :cool:

referring to most stuff happens up close and personal, which is true.

this is why i like advocate most of my points, and abide by them myself strictly.

like: distance! awareness! avoidance!......ahh, ya' know.....

stay safe and keep a safe distance from 'bad' people, both psychically and mentally.

denn

denn · #100

Blackscorpion47 wrote:I would personally recommend that all of you serious forum contributers check out the DOG BROTHERS website at: http://dogbrothers.com and at the very least look at the clip from their INTERFACE OF THE GUN, THE KNIFE, AND EMPTY HANDS video. It might save your life someday. The DOG BROTHERS don't mess around.

P.S. THINGS YOU DON'T WANT TO DO:

1-GO ON NIGHT OR DAY PATROL "IN-COUNTRY" IN A WAR-ZONE
2-BE A UNIFORMED COP IN THE MIDDLE OF AN URBAN RIOT
3-WORK ONE DAY IN A CORRECTIONAL FACILITY
4-WORK AS A BOUNCER IN A BIKER CLUB OR BLUES CLUB
5-WORK ONE DAY ON A BOMB SQUAD UNIT
6-TICK OFFAN OUT OF WORK EX-CON, OR A DERANGED FOOL ANYTIME, ANYPLACE, ANYWHERE
7-SAY THE WRONG THING, OR GIVE THE WRONG GLANCE TO THE WRONG PERSON, IN THE WRONG PLACE, AT THE WRONG TIME ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD
8-GO OUT AND ABOUT "WITHOUT" YOUR LITTLE EDGED "BACKUP"

must admit the "knife rumination"-video is very interesting, BlackScorp. :cool:

unlike what i expected before i took al look at the website, i also 'd like to recommend as well to the others to listen what the guy has to say in the video.

very interesting also:!! > don't forget the trailer-video of their knifing either, it's very good stuff.

go to the search box. search for "knife" , and click the 1 video that came out on the search-results (if correct, there's only 1 search-results for "knife"), click the trailer-link. good video!

however as a sidenote......to me it proves once again: DON'T EVEN GET INTO KNIFE COMBAT. DON'T EVEN GET CLOSE, KEEP YOUR DISTANCE, DON'T SHOW TOO EARLY OR TOOL ATE THAT YOU'RE PACKING, AND MOST OF ALL: STAY AWAY FROM BAD GUYS PERIOD.

that video with the up close and lethal stabbing is reality alright, but only if you let it get that far. the real trick is to avoid combat at all. some of the stuff in that vid really got me thinking. (no, CQB knifing for me!! :eek: )

just my 2 cts. again, YYMV and do with the info what you find best for you.

btw: check those vids out, BlackScorp really hit a home-run with pointing us to that website!

denn

edited to make it easier: http://dogbrothers.com/product_info.php?products_id=118 (clip "video clip")

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