Another gun question

[Zac]

So the winner of the governor race in MD is going to ban all guns so I want you to pick my next gun.

Any thoughts on Magnum Research? Any thoughts on how their smaller guns compare to HK, Glock, SW, etc? Anyone like their .357? A buddy of mine is saying pick one up. I'm not too worried about costs as this will probably be the last time handguns will be available to us, so lets here the thoughts of the gurus!

[poodle]

magnum research not that great - hk way over priced - glock by far the best- 357 sig costs to much, and would be allmost dead if it wasnt for gov contracts.

[Dr. Snubnose]

Ruger .357 Magnum in any size...when they come for your guns....you can bury that one and when you dig it up it will still shoot...Doc :D

[poodle]

any gun that already works will work again when you dig it up.

[uhiforgot]

any gun that already works will work again when you dig it up.

Sad that the same can't be said for poodles.

-Jeff

[Th232]

Sad that the same can't be said for poodles.

-Jeff

Sad?!?

Really, it depends on how you bury it. And even then, maybe not.

[ghostrider]

If the Guv is going to ban all guns, then it seems kind of pointless unless your guns are not registered. After all, they'll know who to look for so it's no trouble to come for them. If the Guv is only going to ban further purchases, then keep in mind that any already purchased guns that are registered will probably be next.

Doc's suggesting of burying the thing/s is a good one provided you can find a save secure place. Another thing you should be stocking up on is magazines, parts, and ammo. These are things that you can never have too much/many of.

[uhiforgot]

Sad?!?

Really, it depends on how you bury it. And even then, maybe not.

Well, call me old-school, but I'm a 1911 fan (reliable, easy field maintainance, and just about everyone has tried to copy it at some time or another).

Friend of mine is a **** good tactical competition shooter and swears by the Springfield XD.

Either one proves quite effective on loud furry little four-legged refridgerator magnets :D Burial not required...

-Jeff

[zenheretic]

So the winner of the governor race in MD is going to ban all guns so I want you to pick my next gun.

Any thoughts on Magnum Research? Any thoughts on how their smaller guns compare to HK, Glock, SW, etc? Anyone like their .357? A buddy of mine is saying pick one up. I'm not too worried about costs as this will probably be the last time handguns will be available to us, so lets here the thoughts of the gurus!

Hi Zac; I can't give you a great answer but might point out a few things. I assume you mean the Baby Eagles? If so, by looks anyway, it appears the Baby Eagle is based off the CZ design. If that is true there is a large following of that design. I don't know about retail but the factory websight shows roughly $500 which is pretty competitive. The magazines are about $35.

The downside is it isn't that prevalent of a pistol. Parts would be hard to come across.

HK, Glock, and Sig have multiple Gov. contracts. parts to be had anywhere. Glock mags are easily the cheapest, and can easily be found for $20. For the framework that you are buying in, I'd suggest a minimum of 6 magazines; 10 would be better. Then like GR said, ammo, then parts. Also don't skimp on a good concealment holster. Galco and Bianchi are good factory makers. Save yourself time and money and just get a good strongside waist carry holster.

[Karen]

So the winner of the governor race in MD is going to ban all guns so I want you to pick my next gun.

Any thoughts on Magnum Research? Any thoughts on how their smaller guns compare to HK, Glock, SW, etc? Anyone like their .357? A buddy of mine is saying pick one up. I'm not too worried about costs as this will probably be the last time handguns will be available to us, so lets here the thoughts of the gurus!

I think two cartridges are good for SD. .357 Mag. & .45 acp. You can learn to shoot by using weak .38 smith, or .38 special ammo in a .357, then move up to heavy .357 loads, like 200 HP. That's how I was trained. I then went to the 9mm and .45
As far as revolvers, I like S&W the most, then Colt, (hard to find) then the Ruger. Taurus, imho is poorly made. I think either .357 or .45 would be good for SD. But I'm no expert, just a Daddy's girl. :-)

k

[bigkahunasix]

As a former resident of that sadly misguided and misgoverned state I understand your concerns. At that time my collection was still in it's infancy but when the local sheriff and PD (Harford County) found out I owned 30+ firearms(including a couple of class III weapons) they had a fit!!!!!! It took a letter from my commanding officer and some fancy footwork about research and my job description for the USMC to get them off my butt. As to your questions I would just go with the EAA Witness family (cz-75 clone) or just buy the CZ. The MR is just an offshoot of them with the exception of a hammer drop safety. The HK is nice but way overpriced. Glock is always a good choice, no matter what caliber. As are Springfield Armory, Kimber, Ruger, Dan Wesson, and S&W. New Colts are a poor buy and should be avoided, even the custom shop guns show poor fit and finish. Whatever you buy try to testfire the same model first to make sure it fits you. Ther used to be a gunshop with a range in the basement in B-mor that had a good selection of rental guns, call around. good luck in your quest. Jim

[smcfalls13]

So the winner of the governor race in MD is going to ban all guns so I want you to pick my next gun.

I'd like to think that'll never happen. I'd like to tell you that there enough rednecks in this state that there would be rioting in the streets if guns were banned. I'd like to think I'll have the right to buy a gun.

Sad thing is, it could very easily happen here.

Where did this news come from? I'll admit I didn't pay attention to who won, but I wasn't aware that either of them were that against guns. Guess I should pay more attention to politics.

I usually don't bother, but now they're starting to intrude on my rights.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we given the right to bear arms by the US Constitution? I always interpreted that to mean that we have a responsibility to bear arms, so that in case we are ever faced with an oppressive, tyrannical government who outlaws our basic freedoms, that we would be equipped to overthrow the government.

Hmm...maybe I was wrong, maybe we're supposed to rip our sleeves off and submit to the will of those in power.

Where's JD, he always has the right words for this kind of B.S.

[dialex]

So the winner of the governor race in MD is going to ban all guns so I want you to pick my next gun.

Shoot him first, this way he won't ban firearms (US law regulations prohibit deceased governors to have any legislative initiatives) !

[AllenETreat]

Zac :

Magnum Research is a division of Israeli Military
Industries ( IMI ) From what I've seen they're first rate
quality. My recommendation is the Desert Eagle .357.

DiALEX :

That's the spirit! A little Shakespearean speak hands, for me!
Political assasination is as old as the hills, and keeps despots in check.

But the good news gang, is that Our Repvblic still works ; so
it's likely the despot seeking gun control'll find himself out of a job
by the next election.

AET :D

[kbuzbee]

Interjection - For those not watching, there is a (currently derailed MOSTLY thanks to John Bolton) effort in the UN to ban personal gun ownership. If this passes it would have to be signed by the President to become law in the US (effectively repealing the 2nd Amendment). Be vigilant!

To topic - I know it's not really practical but I just LOVE my S&W .50. What a blast that thing is to shoot. Guarantee it could kill a Hummer if it had to.

Ken

[poodle]

take my word for it glock.

[poodle]

just try getting a part for an hk.

[ghostrider]

I'd like to think that'll never happen. I'd like to tell you that there enough rednecks in this state that there would be rioting in the streets if guns were banned. I'd like to think I'll have the right to buy a gun.

Sad thing is, it could very easily happen here.

If you have to ask permission from the government to own/buy a gun, then it isn’t a right]


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we given the right to bear arms by the US Constitution? [/QUOTE] You are incorrect in that. The USC doesn’t “give” us any rights; it merely enumerates them. The DOI recognizes that it is “our creator” who “endows” us with certain rights. The BOR (specifically) is a set of restrictions on government, however the tyrants are trying to say that it is a list of minimums (as in rights) of government, thereby usurping our rights, as well as the USC.

I always interpreted that to mean that we have a responsibility to bear arms, so that in case we are ever faced with an oppressive, tyrannical government who outlaws our basic freedoms, that we would be equipped to overthrow the government.

That is correct. Sadly, it won’t happen because the government ignores those rights, and the Amerikan people haven’t the desire do stand up to it.

Hmm...maybe I was wrong, maybe we're supposed to rip our sleeves off and submit to the will of those in power.

Seems that’s pretty much already happened.

[Civilian]

I think if the elections keep going the way this one did you'll be looking at Gun-laws like we have here in the P.R.K.!
My vote is for Glock

[kbuzbee]

GR - you put that so very well. It's a sad state of affairs. The march on our freedoms, the USC and BOR has slowed significantly these last few years with the rise of the Republican Party to power but I'm afraid that march is back on track now and we can expect to see our freedoms eroded on every front starting in January. If the Dems take the Oval Office, who can say where this will end? I do understand why people are opposed to this war in Iraq but I don't think many (most) understand the consequences of this recent election. It really worries me. I hope I'm wrong.

And then there are scary programs like the Cleveland Gun Amnesty program where they will, no questions asked, ALLOW you to turn in your guns to be melted down.... Huh? It makes it sound like you are doing something illegal to even own a firearm so, quick now, while you still can, get rid of them. Argh!! Thanks, I'll pass on this great opportunity.

I heard someone once say that the intent of the Founding Fathers no longer has any validity as what citizen (or group of citizens) could seriously think of taking on the might of the US Army? I understand this mentality but I don't think it's valid. If we should ever be faced with such a situation, I honestly believe many (most?) soldiers would take the side of Patriots against a despot government. Even if they did not, 10 million armed citizens would, I believe, do just fine against the, what(?) 600,000 soldiers they would be facing. Eventually.

AND... Gun control has been repeatedly been shown to be an ineffective way to fight crime. Armed societies have a far lower crime rate than disarmed ones (just look at Great Britain). The pro gun folks will have you believe guns don't commit crimes. People commit crimes. They are exactly correct. What we actually need to do is punish the criminals. Do we consider banning cars because people use them to commit crimes?? I don't think so. Where is the difference?? Truly it would be better if every citizen should be required to carry a firearm, and be trained in its use.

Long live the Second Amendment!

Ken