Heaviest, thickest and strongest spydie folder

[Zac]

The Chinook II was tested by Cold Steel in an attempt to design a stronger folder. They found the locking mechanism on the Chinook II would withstand upwards of 1,000 lbs of pressure before starting to fail; a Strider would be hard pressed to hold up to the robustness of that. The Manix derives the same locking mechanism. If you want the strongest, they are, plain and simple. Dual steel liners, 4mm thick blades (thick but gives you plenty of cutting potential) and a lock that you can actually feel the gears move and close with authority. The tasks I was using a Presidio for and broke one did not adversly affect the lock or the blade of the full sized Manix. The only thing stronger than that specefic backlock is a fixed blade.

Out of curiousity, what tasks will you be doing?

[gofiend]

[quote="Zac"]The Chinook II was tested by Cold Steel in an attempt to design a stronger folder. They found the locking mechanism on the Chinook II would withstand upwards of 1,000 lbs of pressure before starting to fail]

Ooh, thank you for such professional inputs! I will go for a Chinook II!

I do not have particular tasks to do, but was a bit worried about running into a bear or something like that when I went for a hiking. I do not think a Native or an Ocelot can help much in such situation :eek:

[Zac]

In that case, I would prefer a Civilian :D
...although a Chinook can backcut well which is a substantial wound also.

[zenheretic]

Ooh, thank you for such professional inputs! I will go for a Chinook II!

I do not have particular tasks to do, but was a bit worried about running into a bear or something like that when I went for a hiking. I do not think a Native or an Ocelot can help much in such situation :eek:

In that case I would opt for a platoon of Marines. If they are in short supply perhaps some Bear Spray and a Ruger Alaskan http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/ ... 1&return=Y I would never say die, but once a beer gets into knife distance your pretty much food or at best a chew toy.

[gofiend]

... I would never say die, but once a beer gets into knife distance your pretty much food or at best a chew toy.

Wailing ....

[JD Spydo]

I agree With Deacon on this one. The ChINOOK I is the heaviest, stockiest and most ridgid Spyder I have ever encountered.

I would say the Manix is probably a close second and maybe even tied with the Lil Temperance.

There really aren't a lot of Spyderco knives that you could say are not solid built, ridgid tools.

That's why we flock to this Forum for that very reason :cool:

[Zac]

In that case I would opt for a platoon of Marines. If they are in short supply perhaps some Bear Spray and a Ruger Alaskan http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/ ... 1&return=Y I would never say die, but once a beer gets into knife distance your pretty much food or at best a chew toy.

I disagree...well if it is a Black Bear...I've never had a run in with a Grizzly.

[zenheretic]

I disagree...well if it is a Black Bear...I've never had a run in with a Grizzly.

Wrasslin' lots of Bars in yor spar time do yuz? :p

[Zac]

Wrasslin' lots of Bars in yor spar time do yuz? :p

Actually a gator's lot worse...even if the sunofabitch is only 4 feet long.

[zenheretic]

Actually a gator's lot worse...even if the sunofabitch is only 4 feet long.

I've watched people wrestle gators on shows from the time when I was kid (Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom....."Jim will now crawl into the mud and wrestle the gator while I stand behind the camerman and drink some tea..." to the now deceased Crocadile Hunter..."Oi, this is a beautiful animal that I shall wrestle in the mud as a demonstration of its sheer beeuuutttee.")

I can't ever recall anyone wrestling a bear on any show.

Granted both animals are dangerous, but you manange to clamp a gator's jaw shut and the battle is mostly won. I am unaware of any such weakness in a bear.

[Zac]

black bear's a timid creature. they are almost never hellbent on attacking and getting rid of them from a campsite isnt too hard. Mind you a Grizzly i've heard different about. either way, ideally there is bear mase but if you cant get to that, a fire extinguisher works also.

[zenheretic]

black bear's a timid creature. they are almost never hellbent on attacking and getting rid of them from a campsite isnt too hard. Mind you a Grizzly i've heard different about. either way, ideally there is bear mase but if you cant get to that, a fire extinguisher works also.

Everything you state is true. However you seem to forget the premise that started this little sidebar discussion. The fellow was looking for a tool to aid in the event of a bear attack whilst hiking. If a black bear is attacking then by definition it has overcome its timidity (likely got in between a sow and cubs or the bear is ruined on people food and its crazed feeding state).

If a bear is timid, having a stout pocket knife makes little difference. If it is pissed, having a stout pocket knife will make little difference.

I'm sure a fire extinguisher would work smashingly against your average black bear, however the weight of most fire extinguishers tends to pull down my trousers when I attempt to clip it on. So I again mention a good pistol or bear spray.

[smcfalls13]

Well, timid is not the exact word I'd use for black bears. They're certainly not timid. They don't have much fear of humans, heck a few years back, we had one digging in the dumpsters of a local shopping center.

Docile is a better word. They're not very agressive, unless you piss them off, or theres cubs involved.

[Zac]

[quote="zenheretic"]Everything you state is true. However you seem to forget the premise that started this little sidebar discussion. The fellow was looking for a tool to aid in the event of a bear attack whilst hiking. If a black bear is attacking then by definition it has overcome its timidity (likely got in between a sow and cubs or the bear is ruined on people food and its crazed feeding state).

If a bear is timid, having a stout pocket knife makes little difference. If it is pissed, having a stout pocket knife will make little difference.

I'm sure a fire extinguisher would work smashingly against your average black bear, however the weight of most fire extinguishers tends to pull down my trousers when I attempt to clip it on. So I again mention a good pistol or bear spray. ]
True, true. I guess if you want to fight the bear, one would be best off witha Kukri.

[zenheretic]

True, true. I guess if you want to fight the bear, one would be best off witha Kukri.

Good idea. :)

[gofiend]

I've watched people wrestle gators on shows from the time when I was kid (Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom....."Jim will now crawl into the mud and wrestle the gator while I stand behind the camerman and drink some tea..." to the now deceased Crocadile Hunter..."Oi, this is a beautiful animal that I shall wrestle in the mud as a demonstration of its sheer beeuuutttee.")

I can't ever recall anyone wrestling a bear on any show.

Granted both animals are dangerous, but you manange to clamp a gator's jaw shut and the battle is mostly won. I am unaware of any such weakness in a bear.

From knife to bear wrestling, excellent thread! :D

I think a reptile, be it a huge crocodile or a fleshy python, is easy to cope with. Just hold its mouth close in arms or prop its mouth open with a stick, the game is over. Hehehe, great minds think alike :D

[Dr. Snubnose]

Little knife Big Bear....What is wrong with this picture.....Angry Bear...I want a Shotgun...a 45.70 Rifle and a 44 Magnum Handgun at the very least....not available....carry a ChainSaw...this way it can double as a fire-wood collector....Doc :D

[Sundown]

The Chinook II was tested by Cold Steel in an attempt to design a stronger folder. They found the locking mechanism on the Chinook II would withstand upwards of 1,000 lbs of pressure before starting to fail

Where did you happen to come upon that interesting piece of info, Zac? And what ended up being CS's 'answer' to the Chinook, the Black Sable?

Based on the way they (CS) test the lock strength of their folders in the DVDs they give out, I have a hard time seeing any of those guys lifting 1,000 lbs in free weights, let alone hanging it from a knife, locked in a vise at waist-level height. I'm trying to picture 22, 45 lb weight plates hanging from the handle of a Chinook! :eek: :D

Best wishes,
Sundown

P.S. When it comes to "heaviest, thickest, strongest" Spyderco, I think I know what it is. In fact I own one; an S30V-bladed Chinook I (not too many of those around )! I believe it was only the last few runs of Chinook I's that had S30V as the blade steel. A 7.25 lbs, bank-vault locking, brick of a folder! The original Chinook (I) profile (more Bowie-esque, less Scimitar-looking), with its saber-hollow ground blade, solid steel liners, not to mention the S30V steel (far 'tougher' than CPM-440V/S60V), is one rugged knife!

[dogrunner]

Little knife Big Bear....What is wrong with this picture.....Angry Bear...I want a Shotgun...a 45.70 Rifle and a 44 Magnum Handgun at the very least....not available....carry a ChainSaw...this way it can double as a fire-wood collector....Doc :D

Not to carry on about this too much, but this is the only practical post I've seen about bear defense on this thread :D

I'm going to Alaska next summer to do some field work in remote places, have talked to numerous folks about bears, black and brown, and all recommend -> don't travel alone, be bear aware (make noise, be on the look out,give wide berth, etc) AND have handy a 12G pump shotgun shooting slugs or 45.70 lever gun or comparable, for short-range defense (i.e. when they are attacking. The 44 is to put your buddy out of misery after he's been mauled (yucky, terrible thing to say).

The only use for a knife is to skin it after you've had to kill one, cuz it's required by law.

[Harry White]

didn't sal design the fixed blade temperance as a self-defense tool against bear attacks? seriously, there is a thread somewhere that talks about this...