Benchmade speaks re Vex

[steve andrews]

So, would it be fair to say that Spyderco either:

A) Don't feel strongly enough about the matter to persue it.
B) Don't have the time.
C) Think the money could be better spent.
D) Know they are right but don't have a strong enough case to convince American civil law system to make the same finding.
E) Know they are wrong and think they will lose fair and square in court.
F) A combination of the above
?

[The Deacon]

So, would it be fair to say that Spyderco either:

A) Don't feel strongly enough about the matter to persue it.
B) Don't have the time.
C) Think the money could be better spent.
D) Know they are right but don't have a strong enough case to convince American civil law system to make the same finding.
E) Know they are wrong and think they will lose fair and square in court.
F) A combination of the above
?

Well, of your carefully contrived selection of answers Steve, the closest would be D, but "your version" seems to infer the case is weak. As I stated in my last post, I think the problem would be lack of understanding of the pertinent law by both the judge and jury. There's a world of differece between the two.

Pedro - no offense taken regarding the join date. My response was just the explaination of a bit of "Forum trivia", nothing more.

[steve andrews]

Spyderco is legally in the right, but the US civil law system is flawed.

So why is all the anger directed at Benchmade?

Surely if the system worked, Benchmade would get hammered in court and the Vexes would be crushed/melted or otherwise destroyed. Spydie fanatics would have nothing to worry about.

It sounds to me like you're barking up the wrong tree. Put something nasty about the US civil law system in your signature.

[pedropcola]

Challenge accepted Oregon! I'm gonna have to find a camera.

[The Deacon]

So why is all the anger directed at Benchmade?

I'd call it righteous indignation rather than anger, but either way, it's because it is they who commited the offense.

It sounds to me like you're barking up the wrong tree. Put something nasty about the US civil law system in your signature.

If I thought a significant number of present or potential congressmen viewed this and other knife forums, or visited my personal website, I would certainly put something in there suggesting the desirability of reforming the way civil cases involving extremely technical issues are tried. I'm enough of a realist to know that is not the case.

On the other hand, the folks who visit these forums, and my site, are almost all knife owners, and I think it safe to assume that a very large percentage of them will purchase at least one more knife in the future. Better chance of having an impact on their purchase decisions.

[steve andrews]

Fair enough.

You know, fed up with the "Spyderco Vs Benchmade" and "Spyderco Or Benchmade" threads that abound, I recently started a thread at BF entitled "Benchmade AND Spyderco" (or "Spyderco AND Benchmade" - I forget which way round it was and BF is down at the moment)

This Vex business has thrown a bit of a spanner into the works of my peacemaking attempt!

I honestly which they'd made the bloody thing with thumbstuds!!

[zenheretic]

This Vex business has thrown a bit of a spanner into the works of my peacemaking attempt!

Perhaps it was the method employed...

Here have a kitten.

[steve andrews]

Perhaps it was the method employed...

No, this was pre-Vex. I'll give you the link when BF's back up.

Thanks for the kitten. :)

[fishshooter]

Is there a toxic waste dump or nuclear power plant near your local animal shelter ?

[Stryke]

I just dont know why spyderco would say yes to use on a cheaper model , they dont even use it on the byrd line .

Any agreement surely would be for a higher end knife .

It has a great name anyhow ... vex .

either way it`ll work out , karma is a wonderfull thing .

My question is do we really think it will weaken spyderco`s brand/image ?

I think not , think of all the folks who are going to want to upgrade but retain the hole :)

[zenheretic]

Is there a toxic waste dump or nuclear power plant near your local animal shelter ?

We have no naked Aardvarks nearby but Area 51 is up the road, not to mention the site of the first Atomic Blast by humans, hmmm and the future proposed site of all nuclear waste for the entire country. Why do you ask? :D :p

[Halfneck]

In the grand scheme of things, I doubt it will impact Spyderco's buisness too much. I don't like passing judgement without all the details. If this was done in agreement between Spyderco & Benchmade - more power to them. On the other hand it was done without Spyderco's knowledge, and then worked out after - poor buisness ethics on Benchmades part.

Oh, and if you want to watch a thread devolve into bickering fast, just watch any Chris Reeve's Knives vs Strider Knives post on Bladeforums. Those things make this look tame.

[Kryosphinx]

I think benchmade was just trying to Vex us.

[PSU]

I think benchmade was just trying to Vex us.

The name choice for this particular knife is one of the things that makes it so shady. From answers.com...

vex (v&#277]

I am sure that the name was chosen with great care. Based on the name, it seems like BM is trying to stir things up :rolleyes:

[redhawk44p]

I think we are worried for nothing. Papa Spydie will kick their arses if they tread on his property.

[severedthumbs]

benchmade sucks.

[bubbamets5505]

I am sure that the name was chosen with great care. Based on the name, it seems like BM is trying to stir things up :rolleyes:

I think it's working.

[white cloud]

that is very very funny :D

[eljay]

Spyderco is legally in the right, but the US civil law system is flawed.

So why is all the anger directed at Benchmade?

In terms of my personal purchasing, I don't really care about the legal issues at this point. There's been a long history of Benchmade acting in a fashion that I feel is unethical. That's enough for me not to buy their stuff, or frankly pay much attention at all to their products.

[Th232]

Spyderco is legally in the right, but the US civil law system is flawed.

So why is all the anger directed at Benchmade?

I think that it's because it's still Benchmade's choice whether to do something that some may believe is morally incorrect. Like the guy who uses a loophole to get out of a criminal charge, even if he's guilty as sin. Sure, there's anger at the loophole in the system, but the bigger problem is the guy who committed the crime.

Disclaimer: NOT saying that Benchmade has done something illegal by US law, now with the confidential agreement in place.