Waves
I agree, I would love to have a civilian with a wave. I still think the chinook II would work safely with a wave. :cool: :spyder:
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sgp_knifenut
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Wave on Spydercos
The ATR seems a likely candidate for the wave, given it's usage.
Would only need to have the "Cobra Hood" replaced with a forward lip, which would act like the wave, with the added advantage of being interchangeable with the normal "hood".
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Would only need to have the "Cobra Hood" replaced with a forward lip, which would act like the wave, with the added advantage of being interchangeable with the normal "hood".
Opinions?
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Michael Cook
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sgp_knifenut wrote:The ATR seems a likely candidate for the wave, given it's usage.
Would only need to have the "Cobra Hood" replaced with a forward lip, which would act like the wave, with the added advantage of being interchangeable with the normal "hood".
Opinions?
:spyder: That is brilliant!!!!! :spyder:
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The wave can be a useful feature in capacities other than self defense. I waved my raven with a zip tie (bright orange, for visibility), and it is drawn and opened faster than any fixed blade I have used. It comes in handy when someone has a rope wrapped around his ankle and fishing gear threatening to pull him over the side.
luckily I did not need to use it, but with one hand pulling the rope for some slack, and both hands in gloves, the "waved" raven has been THE fastest opening knife I've ever owned. There is no thinking, fumbling with a button, stud, disc or hole. The knife is out, and opened. I did not draw my knife that day, since we got his ankle free, but I was confident that it would be ready to start cutting in a fraction of a second. I draw that knife every day, several times a day, and IIRC only once, when it was filthy, did it fail to open completely, and a wrist flick completed that one.
A well practiced wave opening is good when adrenaline, fear, or what have you overcomes your natural knife opening routine.
Peter
luckily I did not need to use it, but with one hand pulling the rope for some slack, and both hands in gloves, the "waved" raven has been THE fastest opening knife I've ever owned. There is no thinking, fumbling with a button, stud, disc or hole. The knife is out, and opened. I did not draw my knife that day, since we got his ankle free, but I was confident that it would be ready to start cutting in a fraction of a second. I draw that knife every day, several times a day, and IIRC only once, when it was filthy, did it fail to open completely, and a wrist flick completed that one.
A well practiced wave opening is good when adrenaline, fear, or what have you overcomes your natural knife opening routine.
Peter
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Excellent point and strongly agreed. Other companies have taken it more towards the self-defense side. Spyderco is taking it to the utility side. It is a great alternative to assisted opening or fully automatic (as both are illegal in some places and some, myself included, simply do not like them). Additionally, Spyderco still uses the hole in the case one prefers not to use the waved feature or misses on the initial draw which IMO is ingenious.Pete1977 wrote:The wave can be a useful feature in capacities other than self defense.
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the wave in some places, can be a legal gray area, as I think it would fall under the category of a "sheath or other device that permits a folding knife to be deployed in the open and locked position"Zac wrote:Excellent point and strongly agreed. Other companies have taken it more towards the self-defense side. Spyderco is taking it to the utility side. It is a great alternative to assisted opening or fully automatic (as both are illegal in some places and some, myself included, simply do not like them). Additionally, Spyderco still uses the hole in the case one prefers not to use the waved feature or misses on the initial draw which IMO is ingenious.
I'd still use one though. I prefer not to carry a fixed blade at work, as it tends to be cumbersome and the sheath, if worn on the outside of oilskins would be mounted too high for a comfortable grip, and offer more of a chance for a rope or some other odd or end to snag on, and either lose the knife, or the guy wearing it. I carry a folder, and wave it with a ziptie.
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Joe Talmadge
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I like Waves. I also like having a backup opening mechanism, like a hole, just in case. But the wave is great, especially for combatives. I know people talk about how fast they can thumb open their knives while standing in their garage, and how the wave isn't necessary. But I've found that once we switch to drills where the good guy has his knife in his pocket and the bad guy is attacking, he starts to lose his ability to hit the hole and thumb open the knife. There the wave shines, even under stress that thing opens up when you pull it out. It's the classic mistake of critiquing the system because you think you found something better while standing relaxed in your garage, but that under stress something truly different comes out. I know I sound like a broken record, but it amazes me that people still don't pressure-test their theories.
Have a little tussle with your training partner, make some space, then draw while he's closing in on your fast. If you don't get the knife open, he's allowed to thump you in the chest (a little fear of getting punched helps kick up the stress level to start killing your minor muscle coordination). Now see which system works best and fastest. Wave all the way, but be prepared for a failure-to-open just in case.
I'd like to see the next rendition of the Temp Jr. with a wave.
Joe
Have a little tussle with your training partner, make some space, then draw while he's closing in on your fast. If you don't get the knife open, he's allowed to thump you in the chest (a little fear of getting punched helps kick up the stress level to start killing your minor muscle coordination). Now see which system works best and fastest. Wave all the way, but be prepared for a failure-to-open just in case.
I'd like to see the next rendition of the Temp Jr. with a wave.
Joe
The wave is awesome. It opens flawlessly every time for me. It's hard for me not to open it when I take it out of my pocket. It just doesn't seem to have a good transition from opening to securely in the hand, but it's still more secure than thumbing it open.
If I plan to carry a knife for self defense, the waved endura is it. But right now all of my blades are for utility 1st, defense way 2nd...
Spyder dropping is much more dangerous imo. You are giving the knife momentum which could cause it to slip and fly right into your leg. Tip up is probably the safest draw.
I don't plan on trying to draw my knife when someone is charging me. I will either attack, block, dodge or run. Drawing a knife on someone is a serious decision, it shouldn't be the first instinct.
Thankfully no one says anything about my knives at work. I'll sharpen them, knifesterbate with them, etc... right out in the open. No one has said a word. I've even flicked them out in front of the warranty clerk and parts girl. Neither one of them had anything to say.
If I plan to carry a knife for self defense, the waved endura is it. But right now all of my blades are for utility 1st, defense way 2nd...
Spyder dropping is much more dangerous imo. You are giving the knife momentum which could cause it to slip and fly right into your leg. Tip up is probably the safest draw.
I don't plan on trying to draw my knife when someone is charging me. I will either attack, block, dodge or run. Drawing a knife on someone is a serious decision, it shouldn't be the first instinct.
Thankfully no one says anything about my knives at work. I'll sharpen them, knifesterbate with them, etc... right out in the open. No one has said a word. I've even flicked them out in front of the warranty clerk and parts girl. Neither one of them had anything to say.
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My thoughts exactly. :DLost Jaguar wrote:That would only work if the Police was drilled and tapped for tip-up carry--a modification I have craved for some time. Hopefully a four-way clip, as I'm left-handed.
In a strictly SD role, the I'd rather have the longest knife blade one could possibly and comfortably carry/conceal/EDC, which the POLICE is. Giving it a non-slip handle and a hint of a guard (like in the new Delica/Endura handles)would also be critical I'd imagine in such a scenario.
This would, IMHO, be the ultimate "dark alley buddy" one could possibly have.