I've been researching the Gunting and it's unique applications. I have a few questions for the Gunting Adept.
1.How would you rate your defensive blade background and skills? (Novice, Practitioner, or Expert)
2.What key reason made the Gunting the right defensive tool for you?
3.Without the drone ,video, and seminar is training compromised to the point of ineffectiveness?
Thanks to all,
Seth
Why is the Gunting right for you?
Seth..any MBC knife can be used out of the box in the same grossmotor skill application...WHY?
because any of us can cover and push away..put steel in your hand while you do these two basic survival gross motor skill motions and look out BG....
Put a GUNTING or DRONE in your hand and its easier cause tomahawking or hammering is a natural motion..and the ramp really packs a wallop!
so using without videos or lessons to use it is OK..to use it well? to apply usage within the flow..OK that takes some video and seminar work..
good at martial arts of anykind? well you got the basics down already..
think concept not exactness...
Tapes are great..
seminars also..
DRONES are imperative..without a drone it doesn't work..you cannot train or learn with a live blade..the GUNTING stays home while you train with a dRONE...
Edited by - BRAM on 4/16/2001 10:39:47 PM
because any of us can cover and push away..put steel in your hand while you do these two basic survival gross motor skill motions and look out BG....
Put a GUNTING or DRONE in your hand and its easier cause tomahawking or hammering is a natural motion..and the ramp really packs a wallop!
so using without videos or lessons to use it is OK..to use it well? to apply usage within the flow..OK that takes some video and seminar work..
good at martial arts of anykind? well you got the basics down already..
think concept not exactness...
Tapes are great..
seminars also..
DRONES are imperative..without a drone it doesn't work..you cannot train or learn with a live blade..the GUNTING stays home while you train with a dRONE...
Edited by - BRAM on 4/16/2001 10:39:47 PM
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Frank Olesen
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Hello Seth,
To answer your first question, I'm one of Bram's students and certified inst.
Why is it good for me? it is so extremely versatile. open it kinetically (the best way) or your thumb it will let you "tomahawk" with it, use pressure points, joint locks, finger grabs you name it. I am a firm believer that with out the Drone or WILL limit and HURT yourself no question about it. as for the vids, one needs to learn HOW to use the ramp for takedown, come along, and the horns, the persian butt, the head, and the back. The vids will give you an idea of how you can interact with your assailant and employ and deploy the gunting in a safe, informed and moral manner. It will only give you "direction" for the versatility of the gunting is such that you will only be limited by your creativity or lack thereof. The seminars are an invaluable source of information. You get to speak to Bram and actually see him beating on me LOL or andy and Thomas but you get one on one with him, the seminars are planned so that everyone gets the max instructor time available. But of course I am biased }<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
Frank
To answer your first question, I'm one of Bram's students and certified inst.
Why is it good for me? it is so extremely versatile. open it kinetically (the best way) or your thumb it will let you "tomahawk" with it, use pressure points, joint locks, finger grabs you name it. I am a firm believer that with out the Drone or WILL limit and HURT yourself no question about it. as for the vids, one needs to learn HOW to use the ramp for takedown, come along, and the horns, the persian butt, the head, and the back. The vids will give you an idea of how you can interact with your assailant and employ and deploy the gunting in a safe, informed and moral manner. It will only give you "direction" for the versatility of the gunting is such that you will only be limited by your creativity or lack thereof. The seminars are an invaluable source of information. You get to speak to Bram and actually see him beating on me LOL or andy and Thomas but you get one on one with him, the seminars are planned so that everyone gets the max instructor time available. But of course I am biased }<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
Frank
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1. Seth, I have been involved with the FMA for 20 years, I did the Balisong Videos for Panther Productions back in 1986, I teach FMA knife use seminars and I am an LEO defensive tactics instructor. With all that, I hesitate to call myself an expert and will go with practitioner.
2. Bram desinged the Gunting around the principles of FMA knife and pocket stick/kubotan combat. Even though my style of FMA is different from Bram's, the Gunting works very well for me, offering a large range of defensive responses in one tool.
3.I don't think it would reach the point of ineffectiveness, but you would have to make an investment in a training/cutting dummy and spend a lot of time finding what works. As a recent convert from Gunting skeptic I would have to say that the seminar is probaly most important, because actually feeling the moves and working them under Bram's guidance makes all the difference.
2. Bram desinged the Gunting around the principles of FMA knife and pocket stick/kubotan combat. Even though my style of FMA is different from Bram's, the Gunting works very well for me, offering a large range of defensive responses in one tool.
3.I don't think it would reach the point of ineffectiveness, but you would have to make an investment in a training/cutting dummy and spend a lot of time finding what works. As a recent convert from Gunting skeptic I would have to say that the seminar is probaly most important, because actually feeling the moves and working them under Bram's guidance makes all the difference.
1) Practitioner. I've been Bram's personal student for over 8 yrs now, I've been training for almost 10 years as a Martial Artist. I own and run my own karate school, but I am always the student. I learn something new everyday
2) I was there when the Gunting was a drawing on a piece of paper, I've seen it evolve into what it is today. Why do I use it? Because it is one of the best made usable knives I have ever picked up.
3) No, any idiot can pick up any tool, stick, club, knife, etc... and hit someone with it, or stab with it. Will anybody off the street know good knife technique without instruction....NO.
Jody
Keep your spirit up & your blades sharp!
Edited by - Jody on 4/19/2001 4:53:06 PM
2) I was there when the Gunting was a drawing on a piece of paper, I've seen it evolve into what it is today. Why do I use it? Because it is one of the best made usable knives I have ever picked up.
3) No, any idiot can pick up any tool, stick, club, knife, etc... and hit someone with it, or stab with it. Will anybody off the street know good knife technique without instruction....NO.
Jody
Keep your spirit up & your blades sharp!
Edited by - Jody on 4/19/2001 4:53:06 PM
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shindendojo
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1. MA since 1980. Bujinkan Taijutsu since 1983. Practical experience is not much - been working in a psychatric clinic for 9 years - had to handle aggressive clients.
Therefore I feel I am a Practitioner.
(Novice was first 10 years, Expert? I hope I live that long)
2. Bram demonstrated it on me too often. From a sceptic I became a fan. It´s small enough to carry with me. I love Kubotan techniques and I love knives.
3. No, I think it´s still effective, but very limited.
Have a good one
Dirk
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Therefore I feel I am a Practitioner.
(Novice was first 10 years, Expert? I hope I live that long)
2. Bram demonstrated it on me too often. From a sceptic I became a fan. It´s small enough to carry with me. I love Kubotan techniques and I love knives.
3. No, I think it´s still effective, but very limited.
Have a good one
Dirk
http://www.shindendojo.de
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Guntaholic
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Many, Many Thanks to all. Here's my plan of progression: Purchase a drone then conduct self-training with the video series. If my results are positive, I'll invest in a live blade and a seminar. If it's not for me, the drone should be easy to sell.
The collective experience of the replying posters helped in my decision to invest in training prior to blade purchase. Thank-you for your thoughtful and candid responses.
My thoughts on the Gunting: It may be one of the few personal defense tools that can win both in the street and in the aftermath of the criminal and civil legal systems.
I'm am afflicted with mild cerebral palsey. My fine motor skills are impaired, so any self-defense method than builds on gross motors skills has my interest.
I'll keep you posted on my progess.
Seth
The collective experience of the replying posters helped in my decision to invest in training prior to blade purchase. Thank-you for your thoughtful and candid responses.
My thoughts on the Gunting: It may be one of the few personal defense tools that can win both in the street and in the aftermath of the criminal and civil legal systems.
I'm am afflicted with mild cerebral palsey. My fine motor skills are impaired, so any self-defense method than builds on gross motors skills has my interest.
I'll keep you posted on my progess.
Seth
1) Martial Arts, Law Enforcement, Knifemaking backround.There is always something new to learn in the martial Arts.
2)The Gunting was designed to be used closed or open.It gives the practitioner the option of impact strikes or, actual cutting techniques.If you had to cut your attacker, it would look better in the eyes of the court if you tried a striking technique before you were forced to use the blade.(Escalation of Force).The Gunting is ideal for use with Pocketstick, Yawara, Or Kubotan style techniques.It is also designed with a less than 3" blade which is legal nearly everywhere.The super strong Compression lock does not allow a "flicking" type of opening.This will keep you out of trouble in Locales with ordinances on gravity knives.
3) Buy the trainer and the videos.They are also available in sets.It's the perfect investment in a complete self defense program.The Gunting is adaptable to most any Martial Art.You have to experiment.
P.S. To all Leo's.Contact the training division of the Ohio Peace Officers Training Academy.1-800-346 pota.Ask for Samuel Faulkner's Use of force continuum.It is in bookform and on disc.It is a great resource for use of force report writing.
2)The Gunting was designed to be used closed or open.It gives the practitioner the option of impact strikes or, actual cutting techniques.If you had to cut your attacker, it would look better in the eyes of the court if you tried a striking technique before you were forced to use the blade.(Escalation of Force).The Gunting is ideal for use with Pocketstick, Yawara, Or Kubotan style techniques.It is also designed with a less than 3" blade which is legal nearly everywhere.The super strong Compression lock does not allow a "flicking" type of opening.This will keep you out of trouble in Locales with ordinances on gravity knives.
3) Buy the trainer and the videos.They are also available in sets.It's the perfect investment in a complete self defense program.The Gunting is adaptable to most any Martial Art.You have to experiment.
P.S. To all Leo's.Contact the training division of the Ohio Peace Officers Training Academy.1-800-346 pota.Ask for Samuel Faulkner's Use of force continuum.It is in bookform and on disc.It is a great resource for use of force report writing.
Seth,
1) Practitioner for life. When does one become an "expert" in anything?
2)The 'G' allows me to meter my response during an incident depending on the subjects actions. A firearm is a better Threat Management tool from a distance, but during an up close and personal self defence situation, the blade is king. The 'G' is also one of the best tools to help you retain your firearm during a grab attempt.
3) The Drone is a MUST! Videos and seminars are up to you, but are great for learning and just plain fun.
Steve
1) Practitioner for life. When does one become an "expert" in anything?
2)The 'G' allows me to meter my response during an incident depending on the subjects actions. A firearm is a better Threat Management tool from a distance, but during an up close and personal self defence situation, the blade is king. The 'G' is also one of the best tools to help you retain your firearm during a grab attempt.
3) The Drone is a MUST! Videos and seminars are up to you, but are great for learning and just plain fun.
Steve