Bodacious

[Coastal]

Both the Lil and the XL are appealing. It's just an awesome design.

[Michal O]

I will not say no to a Lil Bodacious as long as I can also get a Bodacious XL.

On the other forum, Chronovore posted a photo of a modded Lil' Native. It immediately made me think of a Lil' Bodacious in that size. I like my Lil' Native and would expect a similarly sized Lil' Bodacious to also be a cool knife.

Don't tease, show us picture.

[Red Leader]

We have one Native 5 in the house - I’ll play around with it to see what the handle might be like if you didn’t have access to the choil and it was all blade. Part of what makes that knife special is how it locks your hand in when using the choil. The Bodacious was a great take on a choil-less Shaman. It would be interesting to see what Spyderco could be cooking up for a choil-less Native.

[Mushroom]

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(Please keep in mind that this is not an exact representation of the Native 5 but it is close enough to get the point across. The concept without a choil is nothing more than my own speculated projection of how that might come to fruition. In general this is just a quick sketch for demonstration and not intended to show explicit accuracy."
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[Red Leader]

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(Please keep in mind that this is not an exact representation of the Native 5 but it is close enough to get the point across. The concept without a choil is nothing more than my own speculated projection of how that might come to fruition. In general this is just a quick sketch for demonstration and not intended to show explicit accuracy."
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Yes it would likely have to a compression lock due to the interference. Also when looking at the Bodacious, you can see that pivot hangs a bit lower in the handle so as to have the blade edge clear the cutout for the compression lock when closed.

They’d have to play with it a bit, but it would be possible.

[TimButterfield]

I will not say no to a Lil Bodacious as long as I can also get a Bodacious XL.

On the other forum, Chronovore posted a photo of a modded Lil' Native. It immediately made me think of a Lil' Bodacious in that size. I like my Lil' Native and would expect a similarly sized Lil' Bodacious to also be a cool knife.

Don't tease, show us picture.

I hope it's okay to post links to the other forum. I wouldn't want to post those images without proper attribution.

The first one was a post about removing the choil nub on the handle.
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why ... t-23363960
One image from that post:


The spyderco carry of the day thread had a clearer image.
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/whi ... t-23367084


I'd love to see that as a handle forward Lil' Bodacious with the edge going further back. I'd also like a lanyard hole for something to wrap my pinkie around like I have on my Dragonfly.

[Evil D]

Doesn't the "choil nub" also act as the blade stop? What's stopping the edge from hitting the back spacer?

[Mushroom]

Not on the compression lock model.

There is a stop pin just above the pivot. Part of the blade tang rests on that when it's closed.

[Michal O]

Thanks Tim. Big nope for me with such notch.

I once was notch guy, but now I like in Spydies that they don't snag materials. Removing nob or changing the shape on handle isn't bad idea.

[TimButterfield]

Thanks Tim. Big nope for me with such notch.

I once was notch guy, but now I like in Spydies that they don't snag materials. Removing nob or changing the shape on handle isn't bad idea.

I don't particularly like the notch in the blade either. That is why I suggested handle forward with the edge extending further back towards the handle, like the Bodacious.

[Michal O]

Microjimbo kinda solves problems that Chronovore had with Lil' Native. Except it's wharnie.

Lil' Lum Chinese Folder with CL and slightly different handle would be Lil' Bodacious.

BTW my idea on Lil Native with longer cutting edge

[chronovore]

This would be very popular, and could be done if done with a compression lock, in a way that keeps the edge far enough away from the opening. Or, give it an 'over the top' button still hidden in the liner to give access to the full edge, but still have it hidden in the grip.

Yes to any size Bodacious with the Sage 6 button lock. Can't happen soon enough.

Honestly, I wish all Spyderco compression locks were top-liner button locks instead. I haven't tried the Sage 6 yet but I hear it uses a secondary detent ball and that just seems overly complicated. Kizer and Vosteed have recently released a bunch of top-liner button locks lately that are gloriously uncomplicated and work like a charm. It's an easier and more ergonomic motion than the compression lock and it obviates nub problems.

[chronovore]

Thanks Tim. Big nope for me with such notch.

I once was notch guy, but now I like in Spydies that they don't snag materials. Removing nob or changing the shape on handle isn't bad idea.

I totally get the no-notch argument with stuff sliding down and catching in choils. However, I still prefer a sharpening choil to funky edge termination and that's how they often come. Here is before and after on my Lil' Native project.

BTW, that was almost a coincidental fix here. Removing the nub was all about clearing the lock access. Safely clearing the lock access means removing a tiny bit of blade too. The size of the sharpening choil here was largely chosen by what I took to be the minimum margin.

At the end of the day, I'm happy with how this sharpening choil turned out. I think it looks good as the blade sits forward of the "finger rest" remains of the finger choil. That finger rest also keeps a slight overall forward cant and I like the ergonomics.

As I said in another thread, this project made me want to do this to a Shaman but then I noticed that the Bodacious costs less and probably doesn't need mods. So I ordered one!

[Michal O]

That nub doesn't bother me so much. So far only "nub" I've deleted because was driving me nuts, is flipper in Amalgam.

You could check Microjimbo. No nub, straight handle, more cutting edge.

[Red Leader]

This would be very popular, and could be done if done with a compression lock, in a way that keeps the edge far enough away from the opening. Or, give it an 'over the top' button still hidden in the liner to give access to the full edge, but still have it hidden in the grip.

Yes to any size Bodacious with the Sage 6 button lock. Can't happen soon enough.

Honestly, I wish all Spyderco compression locks were top-liner button locks instead. I haven't tried the Sage 6 yet but I hear it uses a secondary detent ball and that just seems overly complicated. Kizer and Vosteed have recently released a bunch of top-liner button locks lately that are gloriously uncomplicated and work like a charm. It's an easier and more ergonomic motion than the compression lock and it obviates nub problems.

I don’t mind either the regular compression lock, nor the dual detent; I understand why they did it.


I usually wouldn’t also mind a regular button, single detent top liner lock like what is on the Racoon and Porcupine, but some of the button compression locks being released right now are half-baked, simply driven by the trend instead of the engineering and vetting. They can quite easily be opened accidentally or have lock fails. I have the same critique with straight button plunge locks.

[chronovore]

I don’t mind either the regular compression lock, nor the dual detent; I understand why they did it.


I usually wouldn’t also mind a regular button, single detent top liner lock like what is on the Racoon and Porcupine, but some of the button compression locks being released right now are half-baked, simply driven by the trend instead of the engineering and vetting. They can quite easily be opened accidentally or have lock fails. I have the same critique with straight button plunge locks.

I'm generally not a fan of the plunge style button locks. I have a few that are good but they've mostly been disappointing and some have had issues. (I've owned, taken apart, and tinkered with a bunch of them.)

The top-liner button locks are a major step up. I have to ask though. Where are you seeing all these reports of failure? I only have a handful, namely the Vosteed Kroc, a couple of Raccoons, and Psyops; as well as the Kizer Drop Bear 2 in two different blade shapes. All are excellent.

[James Y]

Does anyone have a pic(s) that offers a view of how far down the tip of the Bodacious's blade sits inside of the handle when closed?

Jim

[horzuff]

Does anyone have a pic(s) that offers a view of how far down the tip of the Bodacious's blade sits inside of the handle when closed?

Jim

Depends highly on luck and steel it seems. My S30V DLC and S90V were quite deep, like a typical shaman I think. My first SPY27 was the same while my second SPY27 was at most 0,5mm within the handle, needed to grind a couple microns of the blade where it contacts the stop pin. Didn't negatively impact the action or behavior when closed, detent became slightly crisper, so a bonus even I guess

[James Y]

Does anyone have a pic(s) that offers a view of how far down the tip of the Bodacious's blade sits inside of the handle when closed?

Jim

Depends highly on luck and steel it seems. My S30V DLC and S90V were quite deep, like a typical shaman I think. My first SPY27 was the same while my second SPY27 was at most 0,5mm within the handle, needed to grind a couple microns of the blade where it contacts the stop pin. Didn't negatively impact the action or behavior when closed, detent became slightly crisper, so a bonus even I guess

Many thanks, horzuff.

Jim

[chronovore]

Carrying this one again today. Red Leader inspired me to carry it alongside my Vosteed Kroc per the earlier comments. Both in terms of close inspection and applying force from different angles, lock-up isn't just solid. It's more solid than either this Lil' Native or either of my Sage 5 LW compression locks.

I'll check the Bodacious once it shows up. It's still at the outgoing USPS center.