The Endura handle "hump" and why it does not bother me (pics included)

[Wartstein]

Since this comes up periodically (explaining pics below):

- Quite some folks obviously are not really fond of the "hump"/"point" behind the first finger groove of the Endura handle since it digs into their middle finger.

- To me personally (L to XL hands) though the Endura has some of the best ergos of any folder, and I actually love the handle design with the finger grooves: Makes the handle very stable and not likely to "roll or shift" in hand.

- Now I think this is due to the way I tend to hold folders:
Index finger not on the thumb ramp, but rather on the flat of the blade or on the spine in front of the ramp.
This leads to my hand sitting more forward on the handle and lets index AND middle finger land quite nicely in the first finger groove.

Nothing new or overly important, just something I wanted to quickly share and that might be an option / alternative for some who are bothered by the "hump".

- Thumb on the thumb ramp: Pushes the hand back, middle finger lands on that "point"



- Thumb on the spine in front of the ramp resp. on the flat of the blade : Hand sits farther forward on the handle, index and middle finger both land in the first groove





- Imo bad alternative: Thumb on the ramp, but hand put very backwards on the handle: Middle finger not on the "hump" anymore, but knife less controllable and for me rather awkward grip

[jwbnyc]

That hump catches me right at the middle finger and makes the knife feel more secure in hand. It helps with knife retention during pull cuts. I get why some people don’t like it, though.

It catches the index finger if I’m further back on the knife, same deal: it helps keep the knife in hand. My hands are on the upper end of medium.

When you’re on the thumb ramp with middle finger on the the hump, the opposing forces provide a very secure grip.

[Paul Ardbeg]

I for one took down part of the hump as it squished my fingers, or left my middle finger uncomfortable. I don't have small hands.....I did try the more forward positioning of the thumb and it does make a difference. Thumb more forward results in more upwards pressure on the index and middle finger, iso more towards the back (if that makes sense). Still my middle finger is landing on the hump which makes it less comfortable. My K390 I already adjusted, my super gold not yet so was able to test it.

But always interesting how other folks use/hold their knives as it can make a diiference.



Modded vs standard hump.

[Manixguy@1994]

My hand size must work with the hump , it has never been an issue . MG2
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[8th_Note]

I have XL hands with long, thin fingers. The Endela handle feels great to me

[jegred2]

I have XL hands with long, thin fingers. The Endela handle feels great to me

I have xxl hands with sausage fingers, with my first 2 fingers all the way forward the hump still stabs into my middle finger if I don’t sand it down.

[James Y]

I've never really been bothered by the Endura 4 handle's hump. When I normally hold it, the hump is between my middle and ring fingers. If I want a little more reach/extension, the hump is between my index and middle fingers.

But I can see how it could bother some people.

BTW, I have medium-sized hands for a male.

Jim

[Scandi Grind]

Forward on top of the spine is very unstable in my hands. My thumb is pretty short because I have very small hands, so it is hard to get it far enough forward to feel nice and secure. Further it forces my hand to open up a lot to get my thumb that high, which gives me less rotational control of the handle making it want to roll when putting pressure on something.

For me the easy enough solution was just to round out that handle bump with a Dremel. I think I cut it down a little farther since this picture. Now it is comfortable enough that I don't think about it anymore.

[Wowbagger]

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[Wowbagger]

Speaking of handle hump . I have never understood the aversion . I've always liked being able to slide my hand to the rear of the handle and just hook my index finger on the hump . When I have index and middle finger in the big finger groove I am more about using the front part of the curve as a finger guard with a bit of a relaxed grip .

In the other forum , before I bought the Drunken I was concerned about what I had heard in comments about the dreaded ""POINT"" on the Drunken's handle so I asked to have a comparison image with the Contego side by side with the Drunken . All I got was photo shopped out of scale quikies .

Do I have to do everything around there ?

Here is the to scale side by side image I took after the purchase of the Drunken .
But no ; I have no prob with the stock Endura . In the same breath I would love one in G-10 with liners and no extreme rounding of the big finger groove . That would be more to my liking .

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/Yk ... MP5j7gax2w

[Scandi Grind]

Speaking of handle hump . I have never understood the aversion .

Just depends on your hand geometry. For me, thumb forward on spine is very unstable, thumb behind thumb ramp lands my middle finger right on top of the bump, and middle finger behind bump is just giving up a bunch of leverage so my hands are going to get tired much quicker during hard cutting.

[Wowbagger]

EDIT : to change Nirvana to Mantra .

Speaking of handle hump . I have never understood the aversion .

Just depends on your hand geometry. For me, thumb forward on spine is very unstable, thumb behind thumb ramp lands my middle finger right on top of the bump, and middle finger behind bump is just giving up a bunch of leverage so my hands are going to get tired much quicker during hard cutting.

Mostly I am just jibjabbin' but this is true for me :

hands are going to get tired much quicker during hard cutting.

That is why I grind MANY of my blades considerably thinner (think ~ 1.8mm and reprofiled / thin behinnd the edge for a 3.5 inch to 4 inch blade ) My test is quadruple wall corrugated cardboard that I cut ( in small rectangular areas ) at work almost daily .

Shaman says : " What the HECK ? ? ? THIS is as far as I go ! "
Reground Tenacious says : " Oh sure . . . all day . "

PS : come to think about it the Tenacious is pretty darn thin behind the edge as is . The Slym , the Mantra M4 Ti , even the Siren . . . not so much .

[Scandi Grind]

That is why I grind MANY of my blades considerably thinner (think ~ 1.8mm and reprofiled / thin behinnd the edge for a 3.5 inch to 4 inch blade ) My test is quadruple wall corrugated cardboard that I cut ( in small rectangular areas ) at work almost daily .

Shaman says : " What the HECK ? ? ? THIS is as far as I go ! "
Reground Tenacious says : " Oh sure . . . all day . "

PS : come to think about it the Tenacious is pretty darn thin behind the edge as is . The Slym , the Mantra M4 Ti , even the Siren . . . not so much .

Sounds like some killer geometry. Have you ever done any wood caving with something in that realm of thinness? I typically freehand most any knife to a steeper secondary bevel, but I am not confident in going too thin and still being able to safely carve the oak wood that I am always using for projects here and there.

[Pokey]

They seem to fit ok for how I use them. I will say this, it’s your knife, make it fit to your preferences if you like.

[Brock O Lee]

I was always puzzled why I did not like or use the Endura family much (Delica, Endela, Endura), while everyone else sung their praises. "The hump" turned out to be the reason...

I dehorned them, and that little tweak promoted these knives from drawer dwellers to work horses.





(I wear an XL glove)

[Wartstein]

Forward on top of the spine is very unstable in my hands....

My main grip is actually with index finger choked up on the ricasso, perfect for me, better than most choils.

But if I have all fingers on the actual handle I much rather put the thumb on the flat/side of the blade than on the spine: Moves the hand forward too and lets two fingers go into the first groove but is probably more stable.

[Doc Dan]

I have to shave down that first bump. It hits me in the middle of my finger, or I have to crowd the knife to one end or another. I have XL to XXL hands. Once that first bump is gone the knife fits perfectly.

[p_atrick]

I gave up on the Endura due to the bump. I should have tried sanding it down first. I wish I still had that Zome/Hap40 exclusive from CS. I could have gifted it to a friend who’s a massive Bengals fan. Maybe I’ll give the model a second shot. The SPY27 blue sure is pretty.

[warriorsociologist]

I've never minded the handle on the Endura. It does work for me. Had I never handled a Stretcch/Stretch 2, I'd be plenty satisfied with it. The Stretch's handle and blade choil are, for me personally, too much of an improvement to ever choose to carry an Endela when I have a Stretch available.

Part of the reason is I do fairly often use my Stretch (or PM2) for field dressing large game. I have large/wide hands, but relatively short fingers. A 3.6" blade is about the max length I can comfortable hold whilst resting my finger along the full length of the spine (past the tip) when I'm trying to "zip" a belly open, cut diaphram, etc. It's a common enought task that I just don't typically carry or even own very many knives that don't do this well.

The stretch's choil better allows me to position my middle finger safely behind the blade in this hold. It's a key consideration for me...especially with cold, numb, and potentially clumsy fingers.

Same thing on the PM2.

The same thing for my primary hunting (fixed) knives:

White River Ursus Cub (Magnacut)

Mora Crafline Robust (carbon/1095)

Again, it's not that I couldn't hold an Endela in roughly the same way, but for me, the handle and finger choil on the Stretch simply lends itself better to it. I feel much safer with my middle finger firmly on a grippy choil or tucked on the handle/behind a guard.

[gk4ever2]

I like the Endura, except for the bumps. The way I tend to naturally grip the knife, the bumps hit me in the large joint of my middle finger, so they are fairly uncomfortable. I'm going to try sanding them off, and I think it will be a vast improvement.