The lock stick on my knife is noticeably worse than any other knife I have had. I know I said I didn't care that much, but it is really bad. It makes a loud click when unlocking the blade. It seems to be getting worse. This is disappointing after really wanting this release. Can one of you experienced Spyderco guys advise me on how to fix this?
One of mine also has terrible lock stick. I tried rotating the stop pin and that helped maybe 30%, but it’s still annoying. Trying to work the action as much as I can in hopes that it breaks in and goes away.
I don’t mind paying these ever increasing prices, especially for limited and rare steels, but my expectations on the quality of the fit and finish increase as the price increases. Any lock stick that doesn’t go away after a few days of use on a $265 knife is unacceptable.
The lock stick on my knife is noticeably worse than any other knife I have had. I know I said I didn't care that much, but it is really bad. It makes a loud click when unlocking the blade. It seems to be getting worse. This is disappointing after really wanting this release. Can one of you experienced Spyderco guys advise me on how to fix this?
One of mine also has terrible lock stick. I tried rotating the stop pin and that helped maybe 30%, but it’s still annoying. Trying to work the action as much as I can in hopes that it breaks in and goes away.
I don’t mind paying these ever increasing prices, especially for limited and rare steels, but my expectations on the quality of the fit and finish increase as the price increases. Any lock stick that doesn’t go away after a few days of use on a $265 knife is unacceptable.
I agree.
Those who are wise sharpen their steel to it's chemistry not their beliefs. "BeggarSo"
It really shouldn't happen because the PM2 has been around for a while and is a evolved and refined platform. It will go away as the knife gets broken in though, right?
I wonder how they are handling returns, or how the factory is handling seconds on these. Jeff, from the video, was pretty adamant about the fact that there would be no seconds, but how does a retailer assure such a thing? To me, that would be a factory-level decision. If a knife doesn't pass QC, that is that, yes? As in, would not go out the door. Or did he tell the factory that he wanted all of them no matter what, and any seconds would either be 1) sold as a full-retail knife or 2) be sold as a second batch w/ disclosure? Or, how about returns? Do those have to go back to Spyderco? Are people returning dull or lock-stick stricken knives?
No matter what, there are manufacturing defects that happen, and I think the avg for most manufacturing is around what, 1.5-2%? Add in the fact that Rex-121 is a notoriously difficult steel to work with, and that number probably goes up. So w/ 3000 knives made total, I just don't know what the outcome would be, especially if there was no such thing as seconds. Maybe next time I'm at the SFO I'll ask to see if any of those guys have heard how it is going to be handled. I wouldn't mind picking one up for my son, but $265 is a premium price for a knife and I wouldn't mind getting a less-than-perfect one at a discount (and neither would he). But I also don't think I'd want to pay $265 and have some of the problems people are discussing.
Really curious how this is all going to play out. There were M390 Shaman exclusives for days at the Seconds Sale, so sometimes the exclusives have things going on that we just don't know about.
The lock stick on my knife is noticeably worse than any other knife I have had. I know I said I didn't care that much, but it is really bad. It makes a loud click when unlocking the blade. It seems to be getting worse. This is disappointing after really wanting this release. Can one of you experienced Spyderco guys advise me on how to fix this?
I got the clip point version. It is the only of my 30 PM2s with lock stick, and yes, it is BAD. A very loud pop on the release and cannot be adjusted for drop shut without blade play. The liner is also proud of the scale on the show side at the back. Should not have passed QC. I tried some basic adjustments but it didn't help. It's going to be a user for me, and it works fine, but it is a drag on a knife this expensive.
I have had a number of Spyderco’s with lock stick. Paysan was the worst it worked out with many openings. I had one PM2 I had to disassemble and lightly file. Most can be improved by using a 1911 trick. Hold the knife with both hands. One hand on the top of the blade the other holding the scales. Apply downward pressure to the blade before applying the lock release. Keep all fingers away from the blade. This seems to break them in much quicker.
So uh yeah a message for both parties, Spyderco and CS tighten it up please.
While I am glad you are doing these, I can say getting a blade that was not fully sharp was not what I was paying for nor is it meeting what both parties have set for expectations pulling this ongoing sprint and exclusive buisness model which I detest.
Now in an attempt to make a situation which is chicken poop into chicken soup I will not be returning the knife as I do have the skills and tools to correct this flawed delivery.
But please be aware this is a wet blanket on a cold day curbing further enthusiasm for both parties releases.
Especially in this exclusive / sprint run buisness model where I do not believe there is a chance of getting a replacement.
Funny thing about how you feel dictates your purchases.
Money I've got, but seeking a let down is an expense of another kind which I would just as soon avoid.
Collecting and using,gifting and selling is a hobby I enjoy, when the enjoyment is ruined so is the enthusiasm (which is priceless) to keep the hobby.
The reward is missing with this knife, and will likely lead to it being sold to get rid of the experience and it not remain a constant totem pole of a reminder of a bad deal.
I expected this to be a new knife without flaws and I cant say I am pleased about having to spend my abrasives to correct it.
Those who are wise sharpen their steel to it's chemistry not their beliefs. "BeggarSo"
I wonder how they are handling returns, or how the factory is handling seconds on these. Jeff, from the video, was pretty adamant about the fact that there would be no seconds, but how does a retailer assure such a thing? To me, that would be a factory-level decision. If a knife doesn't pass QC, that is that, yes? As in, would not go out the door. Or did he tell the factory that he wanted all of them no matter what, and any seconds would either be 1) sold as a full-retail knife or 2) be sold as a second batch w/ disclosure? Or, how about returns? Do those have to go back to Spyderco? Are people returning dull or lock-stick stricken knives?
No matter what, there are manufacturing defects that happen, and I think the avg for most manufacturing is around what, 1.5-2%? Add in the fact that Rex-121 is a notoriously difficult steel to work with, and that number probably goes up. So w/ 3000 knives made total, I just don't know what the outcome would be, especially if there was no such thing as seconds. Maybe next time I'm at the SFO I'll ask to see if any of those guys have heard how it is going to be handled. I wouldn't mind picking one up for my son, but $265 is a premium price for a knife and I wouldn't mind getting a less-than-perfect one at a discount (and neither would he). But I also don't think I'd want to pay $265 and have some of the problems people are discussing.
Really curious how this is all going to play out. There were M390 Shaman exclusives for days at the Seconds Sale, so sometimes the exclusives have things going on that we just don't know about.
Maybe they will handle it like the Knife Center S90V Burlap Shaman. If I remember correctly, they had a few issues with that knife, more than normal. There were complaints on the internet about this knife. A few months later, they did a second release, maybe part of the original batch that had issues, as a cheaper price, $235 I think. Again, if I remember correctly Knife Center did a video saying that Spyderco took a second look at that batch to ensure there were no issues. I think they even mentioned the lower price was chosen due to the issues of the first run of the knife.
I do think part of that second release were knives Knife Center send back to Spyderco that they found to have issues and or customer returns that had issues.
Don't take this as fact but maybe someone else with a better memory of the knife drop can fill in more details.
EDIT: Here is a link to the video, they did say they sent the second batch back for some issues and dropped the price for the inconvenience.
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Has anyone reached out to Jeff at CS to inquire about exchanging one of these that would otherwise need warranty work?
Mine got sidetracked by UPS so have nothing to report on their qualitybut generally i have few problems with any of the sprints I have bought and never from CS in the past.
I just spoke with Jeff, A very nice gentleman by the way, he offered to send me a label to ship it back and offered an apology and a full refund.
When I asked if I could get a replacement he said they might have a 1 or 2 and could help me out but would really prefer to keep those for people with a serious issue like one person who had a cracked blade.
I replied thank you very much but due to circumstances I really dont want to return the knife for money, and since I can sharpen it I would rather leave what they have for folks with more serious issues.
Heck of a company, heck of a guy, now that's what I call doing business, I will be buying from Jeff again.
Those who are wise sharpen their steel to it's chemistry not their beliefs. "BeggarSo"
I mean, as long as the knife functions as a knife and safely locks up and cuts...the flicky fidgety nonsense really isn't an issue. I don't believe that falls on a supplier or Spyderco. That's a preference thing. Too many people seem to live by Reddit, Youtbube, Instagram as the standard for how a knife should be these days. It seems to have really ramped up a bit around here lately, and it's tiring to read every day.
I don't want to hear about the action of your knife - Rick
Yep, Jeff sounds like a great guy. And we all like Spyderco, so the real questions to me are what becomes of the ‘less than perfect’ which are inevitable, and what can Spyderco do to best match the expectations of people buying into the brand?
I think a good start would be solving the lockstick issue once and for all, since Taichung does plenty of compression locks and I don’t know of any widespread issues with any of them compared to Golden. I know some people prefer a tiny amount of lockstick, but I think they are the minority. Personally, I would be happy if my Golden comp lock knives didn’t seem to develop pivot lash after a while or have it from the very start. There are plenty of knives and knife companies that have knives without these issues, so I think it is a reasonable discussion, as well as expectation, and maybe not one for this thread.
I have over 150 Spyderco's. This is the first one that has bad lock stick where I have to switch hands and grip to close if I flick the paramilitary 2 open like I have for years. Can Spyderco be able to adjust the lock stick a bit if i send it it in? If not I can try the fixes suggested here. I will start requesting my trusted Spyderco dealers to check for excessive blade stick in addition to other defects.
At what point does Spyderco consider lock stick a defect?
I am going to keep it as a user. Jeff is a great guy to deal with.
Jeff & JJ at Cutlery Shoppe are top shelf people. Love them. They had 2400 units to ship, and the odds that they would not include some QC fails was zero. Also impossible for them to check every knife before it shipped.
I drew a short straw on mine, but I really just wanted it for the steel. I may try a blade swap to see if the issue is the blade or the liner/comp lock. If anyone beats me to a blade swap test I'd love to hear how it goes.
I have 30 PM2s in my collection, and this was the only one that wasnt perfect out of the box. I'd call that impressive. If it weren't a dealer exclusive I'd send it back, but I'll get what I need and wanted out of this little gal.
This was a huge and impressive exclusive, and I'd imagine Jeff put up a lot of cash well in advance to bring it to us. Kudos to him, and thanks to Sal, Eric, and Team Spydie for offering steels that nobody else has the stones to work with.
@BeggarSo thanks for taking the time to update us on the situation. This helpful to all of us I feel.
Kleon
Your welcome I think it is good to report when something is not right so it can get improved, but equaly important to share what was discovered when trying to work with the situation.
This way we all have a clear picture of what we can expect for remediation in an unfortunate situation.
Stuff happens it's how it is delt with that counts.
In this case I could not be more pleased with Jeff at CS willingness to do what he can.
Those who are wise sharpen their steel to it's chemistry not their beliefs. "BeggarSo"
I mean, as long as the knife functions as a knife and safely locks up and cuts...the flicky fidgety nonsense really isn't an issue. I don't believe that falls on a supplier or Spyderco. That's a preference thing. Too many people seem to live by Reddit, Youtbube, Instagram as the standard for how a knife should be these days. It seems to have really ramped up a bit around here lately, and it's tiring to read every day.
Oh come off it... You're on a Spyderco forum, not an Ozark Trail or Opinel forum. Nobody that owns a Spyderco, let alone is enthusiastic enough about the brand to post on a forum for them, is actually only concerned with bare minimum function. The whole point of Spyderco is high-performance and exceptional function, and more recently the luxury of exceptional craftsmanship and materials. Maybe you're not into the luxury aspects of the brand, but anyone who pays over a quarter of a grand for a knife on the basis of wanting to experience exceptional craftsmanship and function has a perfectly valid reason to complain when they do not receive an item with such.
I feel like there's not a really good excuse for this considering they released an entire production line of Sage 5 models in Rex 121 without these issues. It seems like they know full well how to make a knife with a Rex 121 with a compression lock and a decent factory edge, but the QC wasn't up to snuff. Personally I think that's not really acceptable for the money and as consumers we shouldn't leap to defend Spyderco rather than demand better, otherwise they'll end up going the way of other brands demanding higher prices without delivering higher quality.
The other side of the coin is that I have pretty much never seen Spyderco and/or their vendors not go the extra mile to try to make things right and giving them such grief over issues like this might make them more reticent to experiment with such exotic materials in the future. I have mixed feelings about it because with things like their HIC Mule they came with edges that were so abysmally dull out of the box that I don't know how even the more purist minimalist could defend that and especially on a material so difficult for people to reprofile.
There's a fine line between needless criticism and demanding better out of a company and I don't think that the complaints being lodged cross it. Especially considering there's another run if coated versions of these knives coming and hopefully time to address the issues on those.
