So you’re telling me that the same guy sold two Spyderco knives that were missing the Spyder and that doesn’t seem fishy.
I concur with Mushroom's summary - nothing fishy - just two instances of laser engravings not making it onto two specific instances of one model. Once instance was kept by the original owner who showed it to Eric Glesser and a second was sold to me. I don't expect a retailer to open every single box going out the door to perform their own quality inspection. Frankly, I would be perturbed if every box I received was opened by someone else first!
I won't go into detail about how things were resolved because that's between me and the seller but I will say they went above and beyond in performing their due diligence and I am a 100% satisfied customer.
If you’re happy then that’s all that matters. I wonder if Spyderco will officially address this or leave alone? Someone has to be getting a tongue lashing over it. Also I wonder if it was the whole lot or just a random few. Either way man I’m glad I’m not that person.
Spyderco is typically really good about consistent engravings. Even at the factory seconds sale, I haven't seen a single case of egregious engraving problems (sample size of over 1000 knives), though I've seen a couple photos online.
I'm not exactly sure how an error like this could occur, but since it seems like an extremely rare error, it would be relatively easy for only a few units to slip through QC. Spyderco's laser engraving system does only a few blades at a time so if one group out of 1000 or 2000 units has this error, it's probably a very contained error.
(Source: conversation with Spyderco staff at Blade Show + additional conjecture)
Still, a very unpleasant surprise if you aren't a hardcore Spyderco collector haha. I'm glad that things got resolved to your satisfaction, OP!
I have bought three PM2's in just the last couple of weeks, two of which are the new Salt versions with MagnaCut steel but all of mine have been spot on...
I think this is the perfect example of you do 100 right things, and you screw a couple all up and FUBAR them, and your only remembered for those FUBAR'd ones lol...
I have bought three PM2's in just the last couple of weeks, two of which are the new Salt versions with MagnaCut steel but all of mine have been spot on...
I think this is the perfect example of you do 100 right things, and you screw a couple all up and FUBAR them, and your only remembered for those FUBAR'd ones lol...
Can't say that I agree with you there. This was hardly fubar'd, it functions and cuts just as it should. My positive view of Spyderco QC is intact.
Oh, my bad then I must have misunderstood you, I thought the blade didn't have all the Lazer work telling you what type of steel it is.
Heck, me around here if it didn't say what some of the blades I have in certain knives, I would not have a clue, so that's a must have for me... I have way to many that look the same because of they all wear the same scales by my design...
Yeah I don’t buy that this is a “second” or “unpleasant surprise”, anyone who collects coins will know the value of such things, and this will be realised in time. Cool to hear the back story, and the choice you made to keep it for posterity, and buy another, is a good one.
I’ve only seen goofed up lasing on blades at the Seconds Sales. Some have the black coating sanded off on one side or both. Speculation is that a blade was custom lased, then the order was cancelled.
That's a drunk knife lol...it's for sure if you get USA in God we trust currency like this that are basically double stamped, they are quite the collector pieces...
Yeah I don’t buy that this is a “second” or “unpleasant surprise”, anyone who collects coins will know the value of such things, and this will be realised in time. Cool to hear the back story, and the choice you made to keep it for posterity, and buy another, is a good one.
Am I understanding you correctly - You would consider a knife with missing laser engravings to be a first quality knife?
A laser engraving mistake unquestionably fits into the "cosmetic blemish" category. Cosmetic Blemishes are exactly what qualify a knife as a factory second.
I've seen numerous types of laser engraving mistakes at the seconds sale. It isn't rare or valuable.
Yeah I don’t buy that this is a “second” or “unpleasant surprise”, anyone who collects coins will know the value of such things, and this will be realised in time. Cool to hear the back story, and the choice you made to keep it for posterity, and buy another, is a good one.
Am I understanding you correctly - You would consider a knife with missing laser engravings to be a first quality knife?
A laser engraving mistake unquestionably fits into the "cosmetic blemish" category. Cosmetic Blemishes are exactly what qualify a knife as a factory second.
I've seen numerous types of laser engraving mistakes at the seconds sale. It isn't rare or valuable.
Seconds are caught by QC, marked accordingly and sold at a discount. Mistakes that pass QC, are not marked, and sold at full price are somewhat different and more difficult to obtain, therefore they may have higher collectibility even if the mistake itself is found among seconds.
Am I understanding you correctly - You would consider a knife with missing laser engravings to be a first quality knife?
A laser engraving mistake unquestionably fits into the "cosmetic blemish" category. Cosmetic Blemishes are exactly what qualify a knife as a factory second.
I've seen numerous types of laser engraving mistakes at the seconds sale. It isn't rare or valuable.
Apparently not? I think it’s more nuanced than what you’re asserting.
I just can't see me wanting to collect a knife without the tang tag that was not Lazer on the blade, and I consider myself as a pretty serious collector of the Spyderco products.
I get a knife that this tagging is all jacked up or just not on the blade tang at all, I will return for it to get re-licked and just move on. It would be one of the very few reasons I would use the warranty of Spyderco.
That's just me though. Just say'n
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Yeah I don’t buy that this is a “second” or “unpleasant surprise”, anyone who collects coins will know the value of such things, and this will be realised in time. Cool to hear the back story, and the choice you made to keep it for posterity, and buy another, is a good one.
Am I understanding you correctly - You would consider a knife with missing laser engravings to be a first quality knife?
A laser engraving mistake unquestionably fits into the "cosmetic blemish" category. Cosmetic Blemishes are exactly what qualify a knife as a factory second.
I've seen numerous types of laser engraving mistakes at the seconds sale. It isn't rare or valuable.
Seconds are caught by QC, marked accordingly and sold at a discount. Mistakes that pass QC, are not marked, and sold at full price are somewhat different and more difficult to obtain, therefore they may have higher collectibility even if the mistake itself is found among seconds.
Factory seconds can also be knives that were returned to Spyderco by customers who weren't satisfied with the cosmetic quality of their brand new knife.
They're also not particularly difficult to obtain either. The Seconds Sale is an entire day dedicated to selling these blemished knives.
We seem to be conflating collector value and market value. The two can overlap but generally collector value is extremely subjective. While some collectors might find value in QC slips like this for their uniqueness, that does not mean the general market assigns any added monetary value to the knife. More often than not, QC slips lower their overall value.
Am I understanding you correctly - You would consider a knife with missing laser engravings to be a first quality knife?
A laser engraving mistake unquestionably fits into the "cosmetic blemish" category. Cosmetic Blemishes are exactly what qualify a knife as a factory second.
I've seen numerous types of laser engraving mistakes at the seconds sale. It isn't rare or valuable.
Apparently not? I think it’s more nuanced than what you’re asserting.
Seconds are caught by QC, marked accordingly and sold at a discount. Mistakes that pass QC, are not marked, and sold at full price are somewhat different and more difficult to obtain, therefore they may have higher collectibility even if the mistake itself is found among seconds.
Factory seconds can also be knives that were returned to Spyderco by customers who weren't satisfied with the cosmetic quality of their brand new knife.
They're also not particularly difficult to obtain either. The Seconds Sale is an entire day dedicated to selling these blemished knives.
We seem to be conflating collector value and market value. The two can overlap but generally collector value is extremely subjective. While some collectors might find value in QC slips like this for their uniqueness, that does not mean the general market assigns any added monetary value to the knife. More often than not, QC slips lower their overall value.
I'm not saying seconds are difficult to obtain, I'm saying mistakes not marked as seconds are difficult to obtain, which differentiates them from easily obtained, officially marked seconds. I also didn't say anything about value added, I said they may have higher collectability than officially marked seconds.
Seconds are caught by QC, marked accordingly and sold at a discount. Mistakes that pass QC, are not marked, and sold at full price are somewhat different and more difficult to obtain, therefore they may have higher collectibility even if the mistake itself is found among seconds.
Factory seconds can also be knives that were returned to Spyderco by customers who weren't satisfied with the cosmetic quality of their brand new knife.
They're also not particularly difficult to obtain either. The Seconds Sale is an entire day dedicated to selling these blemished knives.
We seem to be conflating collector value and market value. The two can overlap but generally collector value is extremely subjective. While some collectors might find value in QC slips like this for their uniqueness, that does not mean the general market assigns any added monetary value to the knife. More often than not, QC slips lower their overall value.
I'm not saying seconds are difficult to obtain, I'm saying mistakes not marked as seconds are difficult to obtain, which differentiates them from easily obtained, officially marked seconds. I also didn't say anything about value added, I said they may have higher collectability than officially marked seconds.
I understand that you didn't say anything about added monetary value but my initial response that you quoted was in reply to someone who did say these blemishes will add monetary value over time.
My initial reply was really trying to get at the distinction between first quality and factory second quality. Laser engraving mistakes are cosmetic blemishes. A knife with a laser engraving mistake is a factory second quality knife whether it's been marked as one or not. The collectibility is still subjective.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm a weirdo that's crazy enough about Spyderco to find collector value in this kind of stuff. I look for engraving errors at every seconds sale. Personally though, even I have a hard time finding any added monetary value because of a blemish.
