New Preview - Chaparral May the 4th be with you

[Flash]

That’s the thing with progress; you give it more steel options you can allow the Chaparral series to progress from just being a handle-centric model.

It’s like creating the perfect car chassis yet only ever offering it with 1.3 Pinto engine.

I don’t think I’m alone either - Going by a recent poll on which model upgrade to K390, if I remember rightly, The Chaparral placed very high?

[apollo]

That’s the thing with progress; you give it more steel options you can allow the Chaparral series to progress from just being a handle-centric model.

It’s like creating the perfect car chassis yet only ever offering it with 1.3 Pinto engine.

I don’t think I’m alone either - Going by a recent poll on which model upgrade to K390, if I remember rightly, The Chaparral placed very high?

First off what is wrong with having 1 model in your thousand page line up being made for something else then all the others?

Secondly i think you and many others are pushing a bad vibe because it seems everytime Spyderco goes out of its way to offer a finger you guys want an entire arm… instead being grateful because you just got a new bunch of 15V and rex 121!
For me its crazy because great user steels are getting shot down lately without reason like now XHP is bad , S30V is bad , S35VN is bad , S45VN is bad,…
If i was Sal i would change every model to 440c for a few years just to get realistic sense on here again.
I get that you can like Magna cut, Rex 121 , K390 , 10V ,…
But that does not mean the other steels are garbage as there in production for a reason.
If you look around the forum you would notice one of the other biggest complaints on here is that Spyderco’s prices are high…
So do you really want an expensive exotic steel in every Spydie? So price complaints become number 1 on the complaint list and the forum will be flooded with nagging over costs? Because that is what will happen!
Be glad Sal and Co give you so much steel choice already because other brands could care less as they say here are 2 or 3 steels not happy go somewhere else…

The main Chaparral line is amazing as it is intented to be.
For the LW’s i wish all you guys a thousand versions in a thousand steels and if the Frn does not fit you there is a wonderful world of custom scales for you with even better offerings Spyderco has not tought about yet.

Just be happy for once. And if not for yourself then for you fellow members who love the chaparral line because there are plenty who are exited for this release.

[Wartstein]

That’s the thing with progress; you give it more steel options you can allow the Chaparral series to progress from just being a handle-centric model.

It’s like creating the perfect car chassis yet only ever offering it with 1.3 Pinto engine.

I don’t think I’m alone either - Going by a recent poll on which model upgrade to K390, if I remember rightly, The Chaparral placed very high?

Again no offense, but perhaps you´d like to read my last post again and follow the links there (viewtopic.php?p=1833571#p1833571):

Sal actually DID exactly what you´re advocating for with the FRN Chap - open this one up for all kinds of variants (including or even primarily concerning steels) that might then become a reality or not.
And I do think that is a good thing!
But that the XHP variant (also) remains the model for displaying different handle materials is a good thing too imo.

[Flash]

That’s the thing with progress; you give it more steel options you can allow the Chaparral series to progress from just being a handle-centric model.

It’s like creating the perfect car chassis yet only ever offering it with 1.3 Pinto engine.

I don’t think I’m alone either - Going by a recent poll on which model upgrade to K390, if I remember rightly, The Chaparral placed very high?

Again no offense, but perhaps you´d like to read my last post again and follow the links there (viewtopic.php?p=1833571#p1833571):

Sal actually DID exactly what you´re advocating for with the FRN Chap - open this one up for all kinds of variants (including or even primarily concerning steels) that might then become a reality or not.
And I do think that is a good thing!
But that the XHP variant (also) remains the model for displaying different handle materials is a good thing too imo.

None taken.
I don’t see anything confirmed with regard to getting more steels, Just talk about making a bigger version.

[Flash]

That’s the thing with progress; you give it more steel options you can allow the Chaparral series to progress from just being a handle-centric model.

It’s like creating the perfect car chassis yet only ever offering it with 1.3 Pinto engine.

I don’t think I’m alone either - Going by a recent poll on which model upgrade to K390, if I remember rightly, The Chaparral placed very high?

First off what is wrong with having 1 model in your thousand page line up being made for something else then all the others?

Secondly i think you and many others are pushing a bad vibe because it seems everytime Spyderco goes out of its way to offer a finger you guys want an entire arm… instead being grateful because you just got a new bunch of 15V and rex 121!
For me its crazy because great user steels are getting shot down lately without reason like now XHP is bad , S30V is bad , S35VN is bad , S45VN is bad,…
If i was Sal i would change every model to 440c for a few years just to get realistic sense on here again.
I get that you can like Magna cut, Rex 121 , K390 , 10V ,…
But that does not mean the other steels are garbage as there in production for a reason!
If you look around the forum you would notice one of the other biggest complaints on here is that Spyderco’s prices are high…
So do you really want an expensive exotic steel in every Spydie? So price complaints become number 1 on the complaint list and the forum will be flooded with nagging over costs? Because that is what will happen!
Be glad Sal and Co give you so much steel choice already because other brands could care less as they say here are 2 or 3 steels not happy go somewhere else!

The main Chaparral line is amazing as it is intented to be.
For the LW’s i wish all you guys a thousand versions in a thousand steels and if the Frn does not fit you there is a wonderful world of custom scales for you with even better offerings Spyderco has not tought about yet.

Just be happy for once. And if not for yourself then for you fellow members who love the chaparral line because there are plenty who are exited for this release.

“Pushing a bad vibe”??
Wanting your favourite model in another blade steel option is “pushing bad vibe” to you? Seriously!?

I think you’ll find what is actually a bad vibe for Spyderco is nobody wanting for, caring about or discussing steel options.

I’ve been collecting and using Spyderco knives for 14 years now - Dare I be so bold as to request another steel option than the single one I’ve been given without sounding ungrateful? Or does that throw too many bad vibes out in the world?

[jdw]

I enjoy using XHP and as long as we’re wishing for something a little different then I hope they release an SE version with the CF handles.

[Manixguy@1994]

Chap looks nice , I’m curious about the Delica , just the SPY27 or was it the High Performance ? MG2

[aicolainen]

I appreciate the original intent of the Chap showcasing handle materials, but I only see this as a starting point. A niche that could help sales early on and give the model a foothold. Along the way this has allowed many Spyderco enthusiasts to discover a knife model/platform with a lot of potential.
And I'm so happy people are enthusiastic and suggesting functional variations as well as variations in handle material. To me this is an indication that the design is the main attraction here, and not just the handle material alone - which I don't think would have been sustainable in the long run.
And I really don't think exploring the design potential has to be contradictory to the initial intent. Both can be true at the same time.
Even more important than showcasing handle materials is that Spyderco continues to sell these knives so that the rather unique features of Chaparral design can stay with us in the years to come. This involves trying out new ideas to evolve the design, adapt to changes in consumer demand, and not fall victim to self imposed design constraints.

Personally I'm neither a steel snob or particularly interested in handle materials, so I'm very excited about the SE version, the slip joint version and the potential XL version, that looks increasingly realistic. These functional variations are the kind that will make me part with my hard earned money. Otherwise I'd only own the basic Chap LW - which already has my favorite handle material.
I can also imagine that some who has all or several of the handle versions produced to date, may start to think their XHP selection is getting a little saturated, and this can make it hard to justify yet another Chaparral in XHP.
As an example, the combination of micarta and tool steel seems to be very popular, so my intuition is that a Chaparral showcasing micarta scales would perform better (sales vise) matched with a tool steel than the XHP. I obviously have no data to support this and I have no bone in this fight, but I'd certainly not dissuade Spyderco from pursuing variants with a potentially broader appeal just because it deviates from how the model started its journey.

[Manixguy@1994]

I appreciate the original intent of the Chap showcasing handle materials, but I only see this as a starting point. A niche that could help sales early on and give the model a foothold. Along the way this has allowed many Spyderco enthusiasts to discover a knife model/platform with a lot of potential.
And I'm so happy people are enthusiastic and suggesting functional variations as well as variations in handle material. To me this is an indication that the design is the main attraction here, and not just the handle material alone - which I don't think would have been sustainable in the long run.
And I really don't think exploring the design potential has to be contradictory to the initial intent. Both can be true at the same time.
Even more important than showcasing handle materials is that Spyderco continues to sell these knives so that the rather unique features of Chaparral design can stay with us in the years to come. This involves trying out new ideas to evolve the design, adapt to changes in consumer demand, and not fall victim to self imposed design constraints.

Personally I'm neither a steel snob or particularly interested in handle materials, so I'm very excited about the SE version, the slip joint version and the potential XL version, that looks increasingly realistic. These functional variations are the kind that will make me part with my hard earned money. Otherwise I'd only own the basic Chap LW - which already has my favorite handle material.
I can also imagine that some who has all or several of the handle versions produced to date, may start to think their XHP selection is getting a little saturated, and this can make it hard to justify yet another Chaparral in XHP.
As an example, the combination of micarta and tool steel seems to be very popular, so my intuition is that a Chaparral showcasing micarta scales would perform better (sales vise) matched with a tool steel than the XHP. I obviously have no data to support this and I have no bone in this fight, but I'd certainly not dissuade Spyderco from pursuing variants with a potentially broader appeal just because it deviates from how the model started its journey.

Well said ! MG2

[apollo]

That’s the thing with progress; you give it more steel options you can allow the Chaparral series to progress from just being a handle-centric model.

It’s like creating the perfect car chassis yet only ever offering it with 1.3 Pinto engine.

I don’t think I’m alone either - Going by a recent poll on which model upgrade to K390, if I remember rightly, The Chaparral placed very high?

First off what is wrong with having 1 model in your thousand page line up being made for something else then all the others?

Secondly i think you and many others are pushing a bad vibe because it seems everytime Spyderco goes out of its way to offer a finger you guys want an entire arm… instead being grateful because you just got a new bunch of 15V and rex 121!
For me its crazy because great user steels are getting shot down lately without reason like now XHP is bad , S30V is bad , S35VN is bad , S45VN is bad,…
If i was Sal i would change every model to 440c for a few years just to get realistic sense on here again.
I get that you can like Magna cut, Rex 121 , K390 , 10V ,…
But that does not mean the other steels are garbage as there in production for a reason!
If you look around the forum you would notice one of the other biggest complaints on here is that Spyderco’s prices are high…
So do you really want an expensive exotic steel in every Spydie? So price complaints become number 1 on the complaint list and the forum will be flooded with nagging over costs? Because that is what will happen!
Be glad Sal and Co give you so much steel choice already because other brands could care less as they say here are 2 or 3 steels not happy go somewhere else!

The main Chaparral line is amazing as it is intented to be.
For the LW’s i wish all you guys a thousand versions in a thousand steels and if the Frn does not fit you there is a wonderful world of custom scales for you with even better offerings Spyderco has not tought about yet.

Just be happy for once. And if not for yourself then for you fellow members who love the chaparral line because there are plenty who are exited for this release.

“Pushing a bad vibe”??
Wanting your favourite model in another blade steel option is “pushing bad vibe” to you? Seriously!?

I think you’ll find what is actually a bad vibe for Spyderco is nobody wanting for, caring about or discussing steel options.

I’ve been collecting and using Spyderco knives for 14 years now - Dare I be so bold as to request another steel option than the single one I’ve been given without sounding ungrateful? Or does that throw too many bad vibes out in the world?

Yes i see this as a bad vibe sorry to hurt your feelings but every time Spyderco brings something out in a steel that is not "special" this complaining happens and i for one am sick of it. I have bin waiting for this chap from the moment is was a prototype at Amsterdam its was the best knife on the table except for 3 others i can not say anything about so to me its perfect the way it is steel and all!

[Flash]

No feelings hurt here at all, but it must be a horrible affliction being offended every time someone requests more blade steel choices. This forum surely must be purgatory for you.

Naturally if I find a steel I enjoy the characteristics of, then I’m going to want it on the blade of the model I really like using. Certainly not what I’d call sending out bad vibes.

[xceptnl]

I remember when XHP was the bees knees of sprint and exclusives with S90V being the king (snapshot in time). I know we always ask for more because we are human, I don't think this detracts from our appreciation of what Spyderco does, we just aren't always as vocal with that appreciation, however our hard earned dollars often do speak volumes.

Looking forward to whatever Spyderco decides to bring out with this model. Could be XHP, Gin1 or 440C, the result will be well made and of high value. I for one love to be a kid and make that wishlist in my head of the steel, handle, clip, finish, edge combination that would suit my desires or needs. We have this place to share those thoughts with others but we should also be mindful of gratitude.

[apollo]

No feelings hurt here at all, but it must be a horrible affliction being offended every time someone requests more blade steel choices. This forum surely must be purgatory for you.

Naturally if I find a steel I enjoy the characteristics of, then I’m going to want it on the blade of the model I really like using. Certainly not what I’d call sending out bad vibes.

Honestly it used to be heaven to me. (2004 to 2016/2017 ) After that Spyderco's focus shifted from bringend inovating beautiful designs to just steels that in the end seems to be a never sarifying thing. Things started changing on here fast. I lost allot of great people here because of it aswel. So yes this forum can be purgatory at times for me...

Pardon me for being a bit over negative in my reactions i have nothing against you. In the end every one can have there opinion and i reacted the wrong way. It just last couple of years Spyderco has not really released something new for me that i really really wanted that isnt a Manix and now its finally announced one and i read your reaction about comparing XHP to putting a crap engine in an amazing chassis it kinda lit my fuse.

So my appologies for that.

[8th_Note]

That’s the thing with progress; you give it more steel options you can allow the Chaparral series to progress from just being a handle-centric model.

It’s like creating the perfect car chassis yet only ever offering it with 1.3 Pinto engine.

I don’t think I’m alone either - Going by a recent poll on which model upgrade to K390, if I remember rightly, The Chaparral placed very high?

First off what is wrong with having 1 model in your thousand page line up being made for something else then all the others?

Secondly i think you and many others are pushing a bad vibe because it seems everytime Spyderco goes out of its way to offer a finger you guys want an entire arm… instead being grateful because you just got a new bunch of 15V and rex 121!
For me its crazy because great user steels are getting shot down lately without reason like now XHP is bad , S30V is bad , S35VN is bad , S45VN is bad,…
If i was Sal i would change every model to 440c for a few years just to get realistic sense on here again.
I get that you can like Magna cut, Rex 121 , K390 , 10V ,…
But that does not mean the other steels are garbage as there in production for a reason.
If you look around the forum you would notice one of the other biggest complaints on here is that Spyderco’s prices are high…
So do you really want an expensive exotic steel in every Spydie? So price complaints become number 1 on the complaint list and the forum will be flooded with nagging over costs? Because that is what will happen!
Be glad Sal and Co give you so much steel choice already because other brands could care less as they say here are 2 or 3 steels not happy go somewhere else…

The main Chaparral line is amazing as it is intented to be.
For the LW’s i wish all you guys a thousand versions in a thousand steels and if the Frn does not fit you there is a wonderful world of custom scales for you with even better offerings Spyderco has not tought about yet.

Just be happy for once. And if not for yourself then for you fellow members who love the chaparral line because there are plenty who are exited for this release.

I love the so called "pedestrian super steels". My favorite for EDC is S35VN. It does all I need and more, easy to sharpen and hone, highly stainless, and takes a great edge. I actually went out of my way to find an old used exclusive Para 3 in S35VN to use as my main EDC.

Spyderco's take on S30V is amazing too. Our grandparents could not even imagine a pocket knife steel that is this good at almost ant day to day task. The PM2 in S30V is the best all around pocket knife ever created, and I'll die on this hill.

I've never owned a Spyderco in XHP, but the other brands that I have in it have been impressive too as good all around EDC blades. And I've got my eye on the Cutlery Shoppe Mili 2 exclusive. I hope I can fit it into my budget before they're gone. I really want one of those,

[DansGearAddiction]

I'm very excited for this release. While I love XHP, I'm curious to see if this drops in a different steel.

[sal]

FYI, Change is the only constant.

I originally wanted the Military to be the "Steel Mule", but that didn't work out. The Kopa series had to change because of an unexpected adversity. The first offering of the Mule Team was turned down. It was the second offering that was accepted. Taxes, Tariffs, makers issues, Bankruptcies, etc. force us to change paths.

The ability to overcome adversity is valuable in most areas.

sal

[SpyderEdgeForever]

FYI, Change is the only constant.

I originally wanted the Military to be the "Steel Mule", but that didn't work out. The Kopa series had to change because of an unexpected adversity. The first offering of the Mule Team was turned down. It was the second offering that was accepted. Taxes, Tariffs, makers issues, Bankruptcies, etc. force us to change paths.

The ability to overcome adversity is valuable in most areas.

sal

Very encouraging sal.

[twinboysdad]

You win the internet today sir. Black belt level meme usage

[twinboysdad]

That’s the thing with progress; you give it more steel options you can allow the Chaparral series to progress from just being a handle-centric model.

It’s like creating the perfect car chassis yet only ever offering it with 1.3 Pinto engine.

I don’t think I’m alone either - Going by a recent poll on which model upgrade to K390, if I remember rightly, The Chaparral placed very high?

First off what is wrong with having 1 model in your thousand page line up being made for something else then all the others?

Secondly i think you and many others are pushing a bad vibe because it seems everytime Spyderco goes out of its way to offer a finger you guys want an entire arm… instead being grateful because you just got a new bunch of 15V and rex 121!
For me its crazy because great user steels are getting shot down lately without reason like now XHP is bad , S30V is bad , S35VN is bad , S45VN is bad,…
If i was Sal i would change every model to 440c for a few years just to get realistic sense on here again.
I get that you can like Magna cut, Rex 121 , K390 , 10V ,…
But that does not mean the other steels are garbage as there in production for a reason.
If you look around the forum you would notice one of the other biggest complaints on here is that Spyderco’s prices are high…
So do you really want an expensive exotic steel in every Spydie? So price complaints become number 1 on the complaint list and the forum will be flooded with nagging over costs? Because that is what will happen!
Be glad Sal and Co give you so much steel choice already because other brands could care less as they say here are 2 or 3 steels not happy go somewhere else…

The main Chaparral line is amazing as it is intented to be.
For the LW’s i wish all you guys a thousand versions in a thousand steels and if the Frn does not fit you there is a wonderful world of custom scales for you with even better offerings Spyderco has not tought about yet.

Just be happy for once. And if not for yourself then for you fellow members who love the chaparral line because there are plenty who are exited for this release.

I love the so called "pedestrian super steels". My favorite for EDC is S35VN. It does all I need and more, easy to sharpen and hone, highly stainless, and takes a great edge. I actually went out of my way to find an old used exclusive Para 3 in S35VN to use as my main EDC.

Spyderco's take on S30V is amazing too. Our grandparents could not even imagine a pocket knife steel that is this good at almost ant day to day task. The PM2 in S30V is the best all around pocket knife ever created, and I'll die on this hill.

I've never owned a Spyderco in XHP, but the other brands that I have in it have been impressive too as good all around EDC blades. And I've got my eye on the Cutlery Shoppe Mili 2 exclusive. I hope I can fit it into my budget before they're gone. I really want one of those,

VG10 is still my favorite steel- stainless as all get out and brown rods make it pop in less than 10 strokes

[TkoK83Spy]

You win the internet today sir. Black belt level meme usage

It really was perfectly timed hahah!