"Talkin' Story" with Mr. Sal Glesser

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sal wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:27 pm
Transported from the "Edge Matters" forum in the UK circa Oct 2022;


Talkin' Story: When I first joined UK forums "back-in-the-day", (20+ years ago) it was a bit of an adventure. Gail and I always enjoyed coming to the UK. The people, while a bit daft, were always enjoyable to spend time with. We spent time in London, went to plays, checked out surrounding areas, visited our distributor up north, spent sometime in Sheffield, bought a CATRA machine, etc. It was while we were in Sheffield that I had he notion to eventually try to build Spyderco knives in Sheffield. One of my major faults, (besides being OCD) is that I try to do too many things. I do get most of it done, but peripheral damage often has to be dealt with. Good thing I have a patient wife and great staff.



When I learned of the changes in the knife laws to 3" and non locking, I was inspired to try to serve that market. Working with forumites, on another forum, together we designed the UK Pen Knife. Some of you might remember? My staff thought I was nuts to try to build a one hand open non locking folder for an odd market across the pond. But being OCD and being sure I was right, we actually went into production on the UKPK. Sales were not great, but Persistence is King.



Now, decades later, we actually have a fair amount of "Slipit" models selling all over the world, and we owe it all to you. Because of that relationship, developed over time, I think some type of special model or project would be fun to create. We're having some capacity issues right now, but we're also expanding the Golden factory and by next year, we'll be in a better position to bring the project to fruition. So now is the time to figure out what that will be? A special handle material, a piece project that Lucky mentioned, engraving, steels, or some odd variation of the UK?



So let's begin the discussion. Maybe another thread? A special knife for the Brits, limited production, So what do we want?



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I really like the Uk pen knife with combo edge drop point blade. The current plastic handle is really good but could possibly be done with the fish scale FRN handle and some grey / black variation colours? (I'n not a fan of bright colours :smlling-eyes ) That would be really cool. And it would match my old Caly jr!
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sal wrote:
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Just talkin' story;

I spent a great deal of time on the design. I hadn't designed too many fixed blades, so research was old school. I'd used knives a lot and taken courses like James Keating's "Riddle of steel". (Very knowledgeable guy). I'd designed a number of folders. I was trying to make the handle for using in any situation. Food prep, campling, MBC etc. Handling all 4 grips was core in the concept and the butt was shaped for capping. The indentations were for reversing grip using the thumb and fore-finger and we have a few due to hand sizes.

I hand carved the knife out of pine while on a long cross country road trip. From a business point of view, it was a rough gamble considering the cost of tooling, but the design required FRN to keep the cost reasonable. It did OK in the market place for a while, then it moved out for other designs. It is similar to the Jump master 2 design.

I think that this version is a nice compliment give the steel. If there is renewed interest in the design, we're already tooled, so any combination of steel/handle color can be done with little engineering.

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From the Cruwear Lightweight Temperance thread --a Talkin' Story plus a Casual Bombshell about the possibility of future Temperance sprints/exclusives.
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sal wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:58 am
Doc Dan wrote:
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Isn't BD1 Gingami by another name?

SPY27 is a fine replacement for VG10 in my opinion.
Hi Doc,

Talkin' Story;

We worked with Carpenter to help them develop their blade steels. When finished, they asked me what they could do for us to thank us for our help. I told them that there was a steel made in Japan by Hitachi, for which there was no US made equivalent. I asked them to tweak it and powder it. I'd hoped for an exclusive on the material, but that was not to be. CTS-BD1N was the result of that request.

I did the same thing with Crucible on VG-10. The result was SPY27.

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Talkin' Story;

Thanks for the question. I’ve done some thinking about it, and I’ve decided to divide it up into three different sections: starting the company, running the company, and our semi retirement.

In starting the company, it was kind of an interesting thing because we really started with almost nothing. Gail and I had a bread delivery truck that we converted to a to a motor home that we were making payments on and an old Volkswagen that we used to store our equipment. We towed it behind the bread truck. There was really not a lot of money to go around, so we borrowed $250 to make it to our first show. And then we drove across the country from California to Boston to work that show. We were making our products in campgrounds and selling them in flee markets, County Fairs, and whatever show we could get into. The portable hand was one of the first things that we manufactured on the road. It really took a lot of effort. Gail and I were either building products, driving to the next location, working the location, and then back to building more products. We would sometimes work for several months at a time without a day off.

And so that’s a lot different than running a company, but we were running the company while we began to promote the company. Here I’m going to post a quote from Calvin Coolidge called "Persistence";

“Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.”

I thought I would throw that in because that’s really what it takes in the beginning.
Once we actually had a company going and we were shipping products and selling products and located in Golden Colorado back in 1978, we were still hard charging, but the responsibilities were different. We had employees to help finish the product and help sell the product. A lot of running the company was watching the finances and watching the bottom line. Also focusing on design and marketing so that we could get as much attention as we could. And as the company grew, a lot of responsibilities we handled ourselves like accounts payable and accounts receivable, we were able to get assistance which gave us more time to spend on promoting the company.

Again, working shows was the primary method before the internet. But any way you cut it, when you’re running a company, you’re really occupied and involved with the dynamics all the time. Even on days off you’re always thinking about this product or that marketing possibility, which we did for many years.

And now, Gail and I are semi-retired and so the dynamic again is different. We are looking at the overall business closely, trying to make sure everything is running smoothly, but Eric is running the company, so our responsibilities have changed.

I hope that answers your question. If you have any more questions, please don’t hesitate to ask, we are pretty transparent in what we do.

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Hi WilliamMunny,

When Gail and I got together, she was pretty young. But she was game and fearless, still is. Not only did she jump in with both feet, we had a two year old with us. She also trusted me and my wild ideas. Spyderco never would have happened if there was no Gail at my side through thick and thin.

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sal wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:33 am
Interesting subject.

Talkin' Story;

We have found that the addition of Tungsten to a blade steel has some interesting effects. I'd like to know more about it and maybe Larrin can get involved in this.

About 15 or 20 years ago, I was told by one of our makers in Japan that a maker was making a Sashimi knife out of AUS8W, which is AUS8 (Aichi Foundry) that comes with Tungsten added. They said that you could take a rice piece of paper, fold it on top of the edge of blade held up, put the paper on the edge at the heel, blow on the paper and as the paper slid across the edge of the blade, the paper would be cut in half by the time the paper reached the tip of the blade.

Naturally, I said I didn't believe it. And about a week later I received a knife in the mail with a piece of paper and instructions on how to put the paper on the blade, which I did, and it did in fact cut the paper in half by the time it reached the end of the blade. So, we decided to make a sashimi knife out of it. We made one about 7 inches in length out of USA8W. It was kind of a sprint run, we just wanted to see the reaction to the steel.

I found that it sharpened up very well, but it lost that really aggressive edge sooner than I had hoped, and I don't know if it was the result of the Tungsten, the result of the grind, heat treat, or anything else as that was the only test we had ever made. So, with this steel and some of the other steels we're working with that have a lot of Tungsten, it does in fact add aggression and I would be interested in anyone else's opinion using any of these added Tungsten blade steels.

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sal wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 4:20 pm
Hi Izzy,

Welcome to our forum.

Bob is correct, It's a pre-Diver.

Talkin' Story;

A little bit of history. Gail and I were Scuba Divers and we wanted to get into knives for that market. We made this model about the same time as we made the Dive Probes, which we made in two sizes. Both had a "pry" end that was the right dimensions for pulling Abalone off of rocks. There was a legal requirement in California for the dimensions of the bar as well as a legal method for hunting Abalone. The parts were electro-polished 440C which was the best available at the time. (We ultimately ended up with H1 which shows how long we had worked on Salt Water material searches?. Rich (Candyman) had a thread about them in '23.

A little known historical fact is that the Pre-Diver and the large Dive Probe originally had a hook on the pivot end like the Snap-it, but the clip wasn't effective enough to keep on the pieces. We ended up grinding the clip off of all but 17 pieces, as we had 17 collectors at the time and felt that the collectors should be able to get the non-modified version.

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Hi Pantagana,

I've been to your country. quite beautiful.

Perhaps some history on your question?

Talkin' Story;

I am and have been a member on British knife forums. The Brits are an interesting group and they live under knife rules that challenge patience. The current forum is Edge Matters. Well managed, knowledgeable, civil and have a good sense of humour, though some are a bit daft. ;) Open even to we from from the "Colonies".

I was chatting with the group when the knife laws changed to 3." max blade length and no locks. They did permit one hand open. While the original basis for the design of the UK, was kinda influenced by the Calypso jr, we, (the forum group and I) worked together for a period of time to develop the UK Pen Knife. They even came up with the name. The original run in G-10 had a special engraving on the spine to the group that helped design the knife and we sold the engraved models to them for a special price through our distributor there at the time. I don't think I've ever seen one for sale?

Many in the industry as well and a good number of my staff though I was nuts for making a slip joint, but now, decades later, the model is popular in many places. The Caly 3 was the next evolution of the design concept (melt in your hand, thin, easily carried, efficient blade shape). So it went from Calypso jr to UK to Caly 3.

While the UK is made in the Golden factory, The Caly's are made by a small group of craftsmen, run by a family owned business, that are in their 3rd generation. (I worked with the grandfather and the father, and Eric works with the Grandson.) They understand quality, but their capacity is not large. Since they built the original Calypso and the Caly 3 and 3.5, We are working with them to try to create a Caly "family" with a 2.5", 3.0", 3.5", (currently available) and a 4.0" of which I'm carrying the prototype. We will need to be patient, but I have faith that they will be able to make them. We ave also a design for a pendant.

You didn't hear this from me.

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I am pretty sure I saw Sal once or twice at the Puyallup Fair. The real name is the Western Washington Fair but us locals called it the Puyallup. He was demonstrating the Sharpmaker.
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Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:38 pm
Hi MK-211,

Talkin' Story - Challenge coins;

Spyyderco began making "Challenge Coins" a decade plus ago. The original coins were made to show support for Law Enforcement and Military. Both Military and Law Enforcement were beginning to get a bad rap for a variety of mostly political reasons. There may be a small percentage of Cops and Soldiers that are not honorable, but the trend was to paint them all with a broad brush as being bad. We felt that we wanted to do something to show our support for the very many dedicated Military and Law Enforcement officers doing a good job. The early coins were smaller and I kept making them larger and larger until I was satisfied they were easily read. The wording hasn't changed, only the size and colors.

One side of the "Cop" coins says; "It is the responsibility of good to stop evil from hurting the innocent", around the outside. In the center, it says; "Support Our Military & Law Enforcement".

The other side says; Never Give Up Never Back Up Never Back Down around the outside. In the Center, it has our "bug" and says; Spyderco, Golden, Colorado U.S.A. Earth and the date made. Currently 2024.

The second Challenge coin is made for Fire Fighters and First Responders. On side one, around the outside, it says; "Thank you to the brave men and women who fight the beast every day". In the center, it has the "Fire Dragon" and says "Support our Fire Fighters & First Responders".

The other side says, around the outside, says "Serving Those Who Bravely Serve Us All". "Golden, Colorado USA Earth". In the center there are crossed Axes, A Spyderco bug, "Since 1976" Spyderco and the date, which is currently 2024.

Twice a month, our assistant, Wendy, contacts a Police station somewhere in the US, she find out the number of officers working working an she sends that many coins to the station. Twice a month, on the odd weeks, she selects a fire house in the US, and does the same and send that many coins to the Fire house.

The above two coins are available for sale. I think they're $14.95 each.

The third coin on Side one says: Patriot Sunrise 2022 Spyderco and the Spyderco bug. Side two has the pledge of allegiance to the United States...The third coin I have been giving away to Patriots that I meet. They have not been for sale.

As an aside, Gail and I have another company that we launched 20+ year ago, "HappyThoughts.com". We saved the website and kept it relatively dormant for 20+ years, but we are in the process of re-structuring the Website where we will be marketing Some jewelry (Totems, etc.) Happy Thoughts cups, and "Challenge coins", which will have the "Happy Brain on one side and "sayings" on side two. These are "sayings" that we have found along our path or created ourselves. An example of one of the sayings is; "A goal in life is to be consistent like the sun and transparent like the air. That's how trust is built....and trust is the true bottom line"' (Coin #1).

We have inventory on 9 coins with another 10 or so in-the-works. We plan to have the HappyThoughts.com website up and operating early next year.

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sal wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 1:40 pm
Thanx Gumaropa,

I'll look into the possibility of a Moran Drop point with teeth. It's nothing that Moran ever mentioned, but it might be a very useful design?

Anyone else have interest in the Moran Drop point with teeth? It's a very functional design.

Talkin' story;

Bill Moran came to me with a request to make the model. We had a mutual friend, Jim Phillips, that was the link. When I worked with Bill Moran to make the model, he said it was the single model that he carried all of the time. He said that he evolved the model over a 40 year career and it was the one that he most wanted to see a production model made. He said he used it in his shop daily for all sorts of cutting applications, as well as in his everyday life. The design is very understated, but easily carried and used. We've kept it in the line for decades because it is so useful, and to honor Bill Moran.

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sal wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:31 pm
Interesting thread. Perhaps some "Sage History"?

Talkin' Story:

About 25 years ago, one of our friends, a very smart knife journalist in Taiwan, said that he knew of a maker that he thought could do our quality. We met with him at the Blade show and Eric and I had an opportunity to get a scope on parts he was making. He is now our Taichung maker.

We needed a design that would be a good design for him to try. Not too easy, but versatile. We try very hard to keep the design and possible family with the maker we are working with. I needed a design that would; serve a large percentage of people, was sized to be legal in most jurisdictions, be large enough to be a working piece, had the possibility of flourishing long term. It also had to different from the Delica, kind of like a "cousin". The Sage was that model. Using it to platform locks permitted versatility. The design forked into a branch after we made the Compression Lock variation. We tooled up to an FRN handle, using the Compression lock which would permit variation in color and blade material. The "Lock line" continues with the locks. 6 is next. Eric has a few more locks planned for Sages. Kinda an interesting story?

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Thu Feb 06, 2025 8:14 pm
This is bit of history, talkin' story, Crucible, sharing thoughts and encouragement;

Back in the day when I was a youngun', circa mid '60's, ( I was about 23 )I was working in a circuit board manufacturing company.

We were manufacturing production pieces for mostly industry. After a few years, I realized that making prototypes of circuit boards was very challenging for circuit board companies. They would present the drawing for a prototype and submit it to one of the companies making boards. But because prototypes was a real challenge to try to fit into a production house, it could take weeks to get a prototype made.

All of the same preliminary processes that went into making a production board were present in the making of a prototype, but the one or two boards required was always a loss for the company making the boards. This lost time was very expensive for those needing the prototype samples to test. And if the board needed additional improvement, the whole process started again.

I saw a market for a miniature division specializing in only the making of prototype boards. I presented the idea to the bosses, and they completely rejected the concept. I was a factory worker with little money, but I decided to jump on the idea. Because I had the knowledge on how to make all of the processes to make a board from drawing to end product, I decided to build a prototype circuit board manufacturing company. With very little money, I started in my garage. I built most of my equipment from wood and fiberglass, borrowed some funds to purchase what I could not build, mostly used equipment, and launched my company.

With my custom equipment, I could build a prototype board from start to finish in 24 hours and if it had to be through hole plated, it would take 48 hours. I worked my self for a while and when I could, I rented a small shop, trained 6 crackerjacks and did a weeks worth of sales calls. I built a circuit board that looked like the the human nervous system, but it was a finished board. I presented my board and my business card to a number of companies in the Southern California Aerospace market, and told them I could deliver a prototype in 24 to 48 hours depending on the board. We kicked butt for years.

I ended up selling the company for some very stupid reasons, but it was very successful as long as I ran it.

A foundry like Crucible needs volume (production) in order to operate. Blade steels do not offer that opportunity as the alloys are difficult to make, especially when powdered, and a knife blade is not very large so the volume is very challenging to produce.

I had the thought to create a miniature foundry capable of powder, primarily to produce steels for the knife and related industries, that could serve the need for smaller volume (like I did with prototypes). I realized that I'm too old (83 on my next birthday) to try to start such an adventure at this time in my life, and I'm still pretty bdy with my current business interests. but I thought to share the thought with the knife afi's here, many younger, in the hopes that someone or group might see the benefit of such a project?

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sal wrote:
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Thanx for the thread, David,

Talkin Story;

On the Tatanka model. Truth be told, I was getting a number of requests for a 5.0"+ folder on this forum. (It's Vivi's fault :winking-tongue ) I really didn't know how large the market would be, but thought to try to honor the requests. One of the Sakai boys had recently invented the Power Lock, which was patented, so I saw an opportunity to serve two concepts. They did a nice job building it and I'm glad we made it. Part of the Spyderco history that became extinct, like; Dodo's, Q's, Renches, Jumpers, Solo's, etc.

I remember reading in Larrin's book that one of our past Marketing Managers said; "Sal is crazy. He does these odd things in a short amount of time, and expects me to market them".

To my way of thinking; "We re alive such a short time, and we are dead such a long time, that we should take advantage of the living time, which is limited". Many of my ideas might be far out, even too far out, but that's what I was told by the experts when I wanted to make a knife with a clip, a hole in the blade and serrations. So you never really know until you try? I think if you believe in it, you should GO FOR IT! Even in failure, we learn. The last think you want is to be sitting on your porch in a rocking chair at 90 years old and say, "Nothing ever happened to me".

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Such an excellent perspective from our sal.
I would have loved to be his marketing manager.
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sal wrote:
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Talkin' Story;

I first met Oreste Frati (Gabrielle's father) at the IWA show in Germany in the late '80's/early '90's. He founded Fox and was really a great man and a lover of knives. I can still remember how, at the end of the show, he would pop open a bottle removing the cap with a sword and we'd drink to the the show ending.

He had one model that I particularly liked so I tried to set up a production collaboration with him. Back then, there was no "Fox Factory" and he arranged his knives to be made by a group of custom makers in Maniago. He explained to me that they would not necessarily all be exactly the same as each custom maker liked to add his own "touch".

I told him that I couldn't do that as our customers expected consistency in all areas. Always true to his passion, he kept improving his offering until there was in fact a factory, which is when we began doing to work with Fox. Which is ongoing today. Then we added Lion to our Team. Great makers.

Maniago is also a very nice little town and a great place to visit.

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sal wrote:
Sun May 04, 2025 8:13 pm
Hi SocksWithSandals,

Talkin' Story; Para deveopment. Part one.

It all began when a customer asked me, what type of folding knife design would I make for my child if they were going off to war? I believe the customer asked a number of companies, as a few did respond with "new models" that answered the question, though the questions was never discussed, so it is only a thought of mine. This was in the mid '90's. Eric was a teenager at the time.

I thought that the duty knife provided by the Military, (built by the lowest bidder), would probably serve for digging, prying and possibly even combat, so my focus was to be on a large, light, easily carried, folding knife to serve at the job of "cutting".

On size, I opted for a 4" blade, which will handle most cutting tasks, and on a folder, when the blade gets much over 4", the handle bulk in the pocket becomes an issue. I decided to add a finger choil, which offers more versatility in fine cutting, which also add to the handle volume.

I decided to use a "Walker Linerlock" which, because it came in from the side and wasn't in the plane of the blade, I could make the blade wider. The Linerlock would also be lighter than a back-lock. Those were the only two locks we were using at the time. The Linerlock was not really strong enough, in my opinion, for a "fighting knife", but the knife design wasn't planned for combat, and I thought the lock would serve the mission..

The blade steel was a major question, as a military person may not have the privilege of being able to sharpen conveniently, and the blade needed to be able to get, and stay very sharp. It also needed to be a stainless steel for the obvious reasons. At the time, I was a member of the US Custom knifemakers Guild and I had much respect for the knowledge of the makers and their willingness to share knowledge. It really was a great club back then with many very bright makers. Most of the makers were using ATS-34, which was the "choice" blade steel at the time, but there were a few of the makers that were playing with Powdered Metals. I got quite an education on blade steels from the Guild makers.

I contacted Crucible Foundry, told them who I was and that my staff and I would be there to visit them the following week. We showed up on their doorstep the following week. While they were surprised, and had not thought of their steels for blade steels, they were very friendly and informative. We were the first group to actually watch the making of Powdered metals. After much discussion, we decided on CPM-440V as the steel to use and I promised them I would use their name and blade steel name in our advertising. (which we did).

We introduced the "Military Model" with full page ads, offering two different steels; ATS-34, which was accepted as a good blade steel and the "New" Crucible CPM-440V. This was in our "New" US factory, which still had many teething problems. The first model had a number of improvements necessary, which revealed themselves in use. So we made the necessary changes and re-introduced the New and improved Military Model shortly later, explaining the changes made.

Part two. Changed my mind about sharing this part of the story. My apologies to those involved.

I had a few weeks to come up with a solution. I invented the "Compression Lock" to sort out the problem for the lock needed for the Frank design. I showed it to our factory manager at the time (Vince Ford) and Frank Centofante, who was our Manufacturing and Quality Control consultant and they felt it would work.

We decided to make the Frank design with the new Compression Lock and we also decided to make the new Paramilitary design with the same lock. The new Paramilitary design was to be the smaller Military model and both the Frank design and the Paramilitary design were to be made with 3" blades to meet most city ordinances. We patented the lock and began making them.

Part three. By now, Eric was more involved in the company and was helping with the factory (he was in his early 20's). He had already designed a few knives and decided to upgrade the Paramilitary design which needed one. The Lock was OK, but he wanted to redesign the handle and add length to the blade, which he did, which became the Paramilitary 2. That's how the design had both of us involved.

Since then, we've worked on designs together like the Tenacious, which we worked on for a long time to compete with the "Vex" being made by Benchmade. Also, Eric had updated a number of my older designs as well as a number of his own. Of the designs of mine that he updated, both sigs were added. That's how we ended up with two sigs on the models. I hope that answers your question?

sal
From the PM2 Design thread
Visualizing the Tradeoff of Higher Hardness
S90V: Nirvana Military 2 CF Native 5 Fluted CF Manix XL CF Yojumbo CF Shaman CF Sage 6 CF Native Chief CF MagnaCut: Native 5 Fluted Ti PM2 Crucible CPM-154/S90V: Manix 2 CF 15V: PM2 Marble CF 4V: Manix 2 Marble CF 3V: Tuff REX 121: Sage 5 CF 20CV: Subvert CF ZDP-189: Dragonfly 2 Nishijin S30V: Sage 4 Damasteel: Native 5 40th Anniversary VG-10: Delica 25th Anniversary N690Co: PITS XHP: Chaparral Birdseye Maple
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Re: "Talkin' Story" with Mr. Sal Glesser

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sal wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 10:15 am
Hi David,

Sorry to be slow, just too busy these days.

The button release on the Compression lock was part of the original Compression Lock patent 20+ years ago. We never used it for a few reasons; 1) We were concerned about possible accidental unlocking of the lock and, 2) the laws regarding "Gravity knives" were a big problem at the time. We realized that pushing the button release would make the knife a "Gravity knife". So we opted to make the lock to be released from the top, as trying to use the lock release to flip open the knife was very inconvenient.

When Smock came to us with his model using the button, Autos and gravity knives were not the problem they were 20+ years ago, primarily because of the knife groups like AKTI and Knife Rights, and so we used his model to "see" what the market and legal would respond to. we added the second detent to make it more difficult to flip the blade open with the button pressed.

The market responded well and we didn't get arrested so we decided to use our own idea on our own models, but we're still retaining the double detent for "insurance" against the possibility of being hassled with the old Federal laws.

Hope that helps.

sal

From the Smock/Sage 6 double detent thread.
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Re: "Talkin' Story" with Mr. Sal Glesser

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sal wrote:
Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:33 pm
Time for some Talkin' Story;

I first designed the Endura and Delica in 1989 while flying from Hawaii to Denver. They came out in 1990. One of the brothers from the family making our knives in Seki-City, Sumio Sakai, suggested that we make a very small version of the Endura. It sounded like a good idea to me, so we shrunk down the Endura and tooled up to make what became the Ladybug. We made them originally in a variety of colors.

We sold them for a while and it seemed like the genre of a tiny performance folder was a viable market. The first change I made was to redesign the Ladybug to a more ergonomic platform. When one shrinks down a design without shrinking down the hands, the result is not likely to fit a hand.

The 2nd Ladybug design was popular and the performance was exceptional for its size. At shows, I used to cut a free hanging 1/2" hemp rope with a serrated Ladybug, which when comparing the size of the knife alongside the rope, it almost looked like a magic trick.

A few years later, I decided that I wanted to make another model, about the same size as the Ladybug, but beefier. I wanted to make it full flat, which in my opinion, needed a slightly thicker blade stock, with a thicker handle that was ergonomic for it's size. That's how the Manbug came to be.

The first model was more traditional to the Endura family with a straight spine. Then we added variations over the years; serrated Sheepfoot Salt, Wharncliffe and Hawkbill. I've carried all of them at one time or another as I like to have a small knife with me for public use.

Being partial to a leaf shaped" blade for general use, I decided to make a Leaf variation in both plain and serrated. When they came out, Gail and I began carrying a SE Leafe version and never looked back. Sales were slow to begin with, partially in my opinion, because there were so many variations and partially because, I found that with many of my designs, it takes a longer time than expected to "catch on". In fact, during the SKU review, the Leaf Manbug was considered for discontinuation, which I vetoed, because I think the the Leaf Manbug was the best of all of the variations and I thought it needed more time to become popular. I guess time will tell?

sal

From the Is the Manbug Leaf panning out thread.
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