Why the rise in Autism, ADHD etc?

[zhyla]

Vaccines are pretty effective. But the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine.... the jury it out.

There’s plenty of data on mRNA vaccines. It’s easy to find. Like conventional vaccines, effectiveness depends a lot on how fast the virus mutates in the population.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Vaccines are pretty effective. But the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine.... the jury it out.

There’s plenty of data on mRNA vaccines. It’s easy to find. Like conventional vaccines, effectiveness depends a lot on how fast the virus mutates in the population.

I do not know how much of a danger this is but one claim circulated around is that called Molecular Mimicry. The idea is that when the messenger RNA guides the antibodies to recognize the covid spike protein and attack it, they may also attack other body structures like spiky branched neuron neural synapses, and this may be why in rare cases ALLEGEDLY some people get debilitating long term side effects.

But there is also the issue of correlation not being cause. Example. An anti vaccine guy told me people are dropping dead from the MRNA vaccines and millions of children are becoming autistic. How do we know it is not sonething else? Modern mankind has bad heart problems long before this.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

I once read an article in which a heart doctor said since WW2 autopsies showed most Americans and UK and European peoples' bodies are full of arterial plaque by the 30s because of diet and this has expanded to include Asians Latins and Pacific Islanders and Africans.

[Ankerson]

Vaccines are pretty effective. But the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine.... the jury it out.

There’s plenty of data on mRNA vaccines. It’s easy to find. Like conventional vaccines, effectiveness depends a lot on how fast the virus mutates in the population.

I do not know how much of a danger this is but one claim circulated around is that called Molecular Mimicry. The idea is that when the messenger RNA guides the antibodies to recognize the covid spike protein and attack it, they may also attack other body structures like spiky branched neuron neural synapses, and this may be why in rare cases ALLEGEDLY some people get debilitating long term side effects.

But there is also the issue of correlation not being cause. Example. An anti vaccine guy told me people are dropping dead from the MRNA vaccines and millions of children are becoming autistic. How do we know it is not sonething else? Modern mankind has bad heart problems long before this.

This:

An anti vaccine guy told me

Means completely ignore anything they say because they are completely full of it.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Vaccines are pretty effective. But the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine.... the jury it out.

There’s plenty of data on mRNA vaccines. It’s easy to find. Like conventional vaccines, effectiveness depends a lot on how fast the virus mutates in the population.

I do not know how much of a danger this is but one claim circulated around is that called Molecular Mimicry. The idea is that when the messenger RNA guides the antibodies to recognize the covid spike protein and attack it, they may also attack other body structures like spiky branched neuron neural synapses, and this may be why in rare cases ALLEGEDLY some people get debilitating long term side effects.

But there is also the issue of correlation not being cause. Example. An anti vaccine guy told me people are dropping dead from the MRNA vaccines and millions of children are becoming autistic. How do we know it is not sonething else? Modern mankind has bad heart problems long before this.

This:

An anti vaccine guy told me

Means completely ignore anything they say.

Yeah. And Ankerson then I asked him if not vaccines what should we use? He said ivermectin hydrochloroquine and vitamins. I said there are warnings about bad real side effects from those. He rells me they are as safe as vitamins and candy. But I read of people going to the ER and dying of heart failure from those. Ivermectin was made to kill parasites and some Claim in some tests it reduces tumors but in serious clinical tests it does not cure covid or cancer. They all fall back on the claim that Big Pharma is run by de population people and their goal is to make us sick and die.

[Ankerson]

There’s plenty of data on mRNA vaccines. It’s easy to find. Like conventional vaccines, effectiveness depends a lot on how fast the virus mutates in the population.

I do not know how much of a danger this is but one claim circulated around is that called Molecular Mimicry. The idea is that when the messenger RNA guides the antibodies to recognize the covid spike protein and attack it, they may also attack other body structures like spiky branched neuron neural synapses, and this may be why in rare cases ALLEGEDLY some people get debilitating long term side effects.

But there is also the issue of correlation not being cause. Example. An anti vaccine guy told me people are dropping dead from the MRNA vaccines and millions of children are becoming autistic. How do we know it is not sonething else? Modern mankind has bad heart problems long before this.

This:

An anti vaccine guy told me

Means completely ignore anything they say.

Yeah. And Ankerson then I asked him if not vaccines what should we use? He said ivermectin hydrochloroquine and vitamins. I said there are warnings about bad real side effects from those. He rells me they are as safe as vitamins and candy. But I read of people going to the ER and dying of heart failure from those. Ivermectin was made to kill parasites and some Claim in some tests it reduces tumors but in serious clinical tests it does not cure covid or cancer. They all fall back on the claim that Big Pharma is run by de population people and their goal is to make us sick and die.

Like I said completely ignore them.

They aren't worth your time.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Ankerson I see what you mean. Its worse than the time I tried to convince a carbon steel chauvanist that Spyderco is right to use VG10 and other stain resistant alloys and FRN. He said Spyderco and you and me and greats like Blackie Collins Al Mar etc are all so called Tender Feet and real men stick with carbon tool steel at the most or preferably older carbon steel and wood and bone for handles. I invited him to join the forum so you and Doc and Sal and others can educate him but he was anti internet.

[Ankerson]

Ankerson I see what you mean. Its worse than the time I tried to convince a carbon steel chauvanist that Spyderco is right to use VG10 and other stain resistant alloys and FRN. He said Spyderco and you and me and greats like Blackie Collins Al Mar etc are all so called Tender Feet and real men stick with carbon tool steel at the most or preferably older carbon steel and wood and bone for handles. I invited him to join the forum so you and Doc and Sal and others can educate him but he was anti internet.

More like he didn't want to be proven wrong.

Nothing wrong with the old carbon steels, one just has to sharpen them a lot more that's all.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Ankerson I see what you mean. Its worse than the time I tried to convince a carbon steel chauvanist that Spyderco is right to use VG10 and other stain resistant alloys and FRN. He said Spyderco and you and me and greats like Blackie Collins Al Mar etc are all so called Tender Feet and real men stick with carbon tool steel at the most or preferably older carbon steel and wood and bone for handles. I invited him to join the forum so you and Doc and Sal and others can educate him but he was anti internet.

More like he didn't want to be proven wrong.

Nothing wrong with the old carbon steels, one just has to sharpen them a lot more that's all.

Great point my friend.
I see room for both the old style tech and the so called exotic cutting edge.

I want you and zhyla and others to know that I am a big advocate for proven established medicine that works.

At times I have considered the claims that the so called elites are suppressing miracle cures and free energy devices and other delights. The big problem: where is tangible proof? Unless the government and big corporates open their hidden vaults and show us, it is all pure speculation. There are arguments on both sides but alot of fluff: books magazines videos claims. But I am a man who needs facts. Hearsay and non clinical studies without repeated experiment cannot be relied upon.

Faith has to be supported with facts.

Ankerson, on a related issue I am very pro law enforcement and very pro mental institution. Society swung to the other extreme in the Post 1960 period because of abuse, corruption, and weaker morals. But that is no reason to throw the good out with the bad. American streets and possibly European and UK are filled with mentally ill people that should get forced mandatory care and not abuse, but forced, inside mental institutions. Society is siding with dangerous criminals instead of our beloved police and other first responders. I think people like you and Doc agree.
the belief that mental hospitals were cruel and inhumane; the hope that new antipsychotic medications offered a cure; and the desire to save money are some factors that led to the closures.

[Scandi Grind]

I think you have your head in the right place, SEF. Each of us can only draw from our own experiences to help us decide what information to believe, and while my experiences have steered me to different conclusions than yours, I believe that seeking the truth is the most important part. Truth seeking is usually more difficult than we would like, so it is a rigorous and continuous pursuit. Logical reasoning dictates that we can't ever know anything for certain, we can only think we know something based on logical deduction and observable evidence, but in the end trying to find the truth is a probabilty game. The only way to know anything without a shadow of a doubt, is to literally know everything that there is to know in the universe, which man obviously is not capable of. What we are left with is to try to get as close to the truth as possible with the means availible to us; reason and evidence. I think anyone who actively pursues the truth will always get closer to it though, so that is what I try my best to do.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

I think you have your head in the right place, SEF. Each of us can only draw from our own experiences to help us decide what information to believe, and while my experiences have steered me to different conclusions than yours, I believe that seeking the truth is the most important part. Truth seeking is usually more difficult than we would like, so it is a rigorous and continuous pursuit. Logical reasoning dictates that we can't ever know anything for certain, we can only think we know something based on logical deduction and observable evidence, but in the end trying to find the truth is a probabilty game. The only way to know anything without a shadow of a doubt, is to literally know everything that there is to know in the universe, which man obviously is not capable of. What we are left with is to try to get as close to the truth as possible with the means availible to us; reason and evidence. I think anyone who actively pursues the truth will always get closer to it though, so that is what I try my best to do.

Great points!

[kwakster]

[Ankerson]

Some say these are fake conditions made up to make money for pharma and head shrinkers. Others say its the vaccines and chemicals in the food water and enviroment. What is the cause? Genes?

The vaccination scam is just another BS Conspiracy Theory.

That said they are real conditions, the more Scientists know about the brain the better.

[Naperville]

Some say these are fake conditions made up to make money for pharma and head shrinkers. Others say its the vaccines and chemicals in the food water and enviroment. What is the cause? Genes?

The vaccination scam is just another BS Conspiracy Theory.

That said they are real conditions, the more Scientists know about the brain the better.

I leave it up to the experts to figure out and nobody here is an expert.

One thing is obvious, when I was 18, I had <10 injections, 10 vaccines. Now, by the time a child is 18, they may have 50+ injections and 50+ vaccines. Leave it up to the experts. If they do not find the cause and fix this issue, there will be no WESTERN MAN.

[Ankerson]

Some say these are fake conditions made up to make money for pharma and head shrinkers. Others say its the vaccines and chemicals in the food water and enviroment. What is the cause? Genes?

The vaccination scam is just another BS Conspiracy Theory.

That said they are real conditions, the more Scientists know about the brain the better.

I leave it up to the experts to figure out and nobody here is an expert.

One thing is obvious, when I was 18, I had <10 injections, 10 vaccines. Now, by the time a child is 18, they may have 50+ injections and 50+ vaccines. Leave it up to the experts. If they do not find the cause and fix this issue, there will be no WESTERN MAN.

Yeah well yes leave it up to the most qualified Scientists and Doctors I would agree.

Not the activists, junkies and those sorts of highly unqualified types.

[Mushroom]

Correct - nobody here is an expert!

[Halfneck]

I was an Army Medic and had a sub-specialty in immunizations. I later worked as a float CNA in different family physician offices & urgent cares.

By age 18, if you've followed the CDC guidelines, you've had around 38-39 vaccinations - NOT including the annual Influenza or COVID-19 vaccinations. Of those 38-39, many are multiple dose vaccinations like DTP x3, Polio x3, Hep B x3, Hep A x2, MMR x2, Varicella x2, MCV x2, to name just a few.

In the Army most soldiers also got given Tet-dipth, MMR, Mgc, Influenza, and Hep A x2, while in Basic & AIT. There were also additional immunizations depending on your job specialty - Medical field received Hep Bx3, etc. There were also immunizations given depending on your unit's area of operations. Soldiers at Ft. Campbell received Typhoid & Yellow Fever. Soldiers assigned to Special Forces received a couple more - Rabies pre-exposure vaccines is the only one I recall. There was also a 6-shot Anthrax vaccination they started right before I got out that ended up getting scrapped. It was too cumbersome to get the soldiers vaccinated with 6 shots over a years time.

In 2 years time doing that job I only saw 1 soldier have a reaction to any vaccine. The soldier in question had developed some necrotic tissue at the site of his Anthrax injection. Soldier was treated and his chart marked so he would no longer get Anthrax vaccinations. Other than that it was just soldiers passing out due to needles, or getting hit by too much (my personal belief) in 1 sitting.

The Dr that presented the false info on thimerosal should be kicked in the junk with track spikes & lose his license. It has been used in very minute amounts in vaccines for decades with no ill effects. The CDC has done studies showing no link between it and autism. Anti-vaxxers vex me because the medical community has worked so hard to prevent things like Polio, Smallpox, and Measles, and their beliefs are putting others at risk. It's selfish on their part because it's not just their kid that gets ill. Their unvaccinated kid comes into contact with a kid that is immunocompromised from let's say chemo treatments for leukemia, and now that kid is infected.

And on the Mental Health side, my wife has a Master's Degree and a bunch of letters after her name as a child therapist, mostly dealing with kids that have been abused. A lot of the rise in the Autism diagnosis is better tools & more knowledge of it now. Back in the day a kid with high functioning Autism was undiagnosed and just considered that weird, socially awkward kid. That's pretty much why the rise. Of course, if we'd like to understand the causes & treatments better they need to start devoting a bit more money to mental than they have been.

[Ankerson]

I was an Army Medic and had a sub-specialty in immunizations. I later worked as a float CNA in different family physician offices & urgent cares.

By age 18, if you've followed the CDC guidelines, you've had around 38-39 vaccinations - NOT including the annual Influenza or COVID-19 vaccinations. Of those 38-39, many are multiple dose vaccinations like DTP x3, Polio x3, Hep B x3, Hep A x2, MMR x2, Varicella x2, MCV x2, to name just a few.

In the Army most soldiers also got given Tet-dipth, MMR, Mgc, Influenza, and Hep A x2, while in Basic & AIT. There were also additional immunizations depending on your job specialty - Medical field received Hep Bx3, etc. There were also immunizations given depending on your unit's area of operations. Soldiers at Ft. Campbell received Typhoid & Yellow Fever. Soldiers assigned to Special Forces received a couple more - Rabies pre-exposure vaccines is the only one I recall. There was also a 6-shot Anthrax vaccination they started right before I got out that ended up getting scrapped. It was too cumbersome to get the soldiers vaccinated with 6 shots over a years time.

In 2 years time doing that job I only saw 1 soldier have a reaction to any vaccine. The soldier in question had developed some necrotic tissue at the site of his Anthrax injection. Soldier was treated and his chart marked so he would no longer get Anthrax vaccinations. Other than that it was just soldiers passing out due to needles, or getting hit by too much (my personal belief) in 1 sitting.

The Dr that presented the false info on thimerosal should be kicked in the junk with track spikes & lose his license. It has been used in very minute amounts in vaccines for decades with no ill effects. The CDC has done studies showing no link between it and autism. Anti-vaxxers vex me because the medical community has worked so hard to prevent things like Polio, Smallpox, and Measles, and their beliefs are putting others at risk. It's selfish on their part because it's not just their kid that gets ill. Their unvaccinated kid comes into contact with a kid that is immunocompromised from let's say chemo treatments for leukemia, and now that kid is infected.

And on the Mental Health side, my wife has a Master's Degree and a bunch of letters after her name as a child therapist, mostly dealing with kids that have been abused. A lot of the rise in the Autism diagnosis is better tools & more knowledge of it now. Back in the day a kid with high functioning Autism was undiagnosed and just considered that weird, socially awkward kid. That's pretty much why the rise. Of course, if we'd like to understand the causes & treatments better they need to start devoting a bit more money to mental than they have been.

I remember back in 1982 when I went into the military, I almost passed out due to just too many shots in one sitting.

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Will mankind ever create nano machines that cure all disease?

[Ankerson]

Will mankind ever create nano machines that cure all disease?

If humans actually last long enough to evolve well past what we are now and past the current human nature it might be possible.

Other than that no.