I think you have some really fair points, and I suppose that I could say that about the other guy also. Of course they want all feedback positive or negative. I'm not anyone special, I'm human just as you guys are, however I think we can chill out here. To a third party (me), it seems like you both are arguing the same general situation. A bunch of people get together, make a material and make up a bunch of names for it, some misleading as I'm not sure honestly how many of you guys think of carbides carbonitides nitrides as ceramics. They technically are I believe someone please correct me if I'm mistaken here. But then a company has to make that material, distributors have to buy it and sell it to the companies that machine it.kennbr34 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:50 amWhen a company engages in an experimental project such as this which seeks feedback from its consumers, it's hilarious to think that it should never expect any of that feedback to be negative, and even more hilarious its fans would take more umbrage with said negative feedback than the company itself.
If this exotic material is so profoundly incomparable to steel that it can't be expected to come with an edge sharper than disposable plastic utensils, that has nothing to do with the consumer's lack of reading ability, but with the company's lack of due diligence in disclosing that information on their product page. This also has nothing to do with expecting a finished product, and everything to do with telling the company they're not ready to release a finished product in said material if that's the best they can do with it.
I don't have time to both make my disposable income and scour internet forums for obscure information related to the materials tested, particularly with one as esoteric as this; that information should be on the product page, and anyone suggesting that the description of this material on said product page wasn't implying that it would perform similarly to steel is being disingenuous. On top of that, I use what spare time I have to fulfill the Mule team's intended goal, and actually test these materials. In addition to other actual data and testing I've done on other steel Mules, I've offered Sal constructive criticism about how viable I believe HIC is as a material consumers may actually desire, and how Spyderco can be more fair to the disgruntled consumers--which if your reading comprehension is as high as you've implied, you'd have noticed I am not one of.
What have you contributed here with your self-proclaimed "dunking" and middle-school vernacular of "clowning," other than suggesting a pretty clear reason why you didn't have the money to actually try one of these--which just points to another hilarity of you thinking you have more of a leg to stand on in commenting than those who did. Fortunately I am adept at tailoring my language to speak to people on their level: You can go ahead and take 'em out of your mouth, Sal's skin is thick enough he doesn't need his fanboys to defend him.
I think that the problem here is that some people, when they think Spyderco they think.. above average quality and when they are presented with a new material that is ridiculously hard to sharpen correctly they tend to forget about the "mule team" labeling, as they likely think it's a huge company that does releases and tests or materials on high numbers of people some other way. As far as I'm aware this is that. They kinda get the steel in, heat treat it, grind it, sell it. For HIC, don't quote me because this is a total guess but slightly educated one, this stuff seems like some other common types of oxide ceramics and how they're made just the manufacturing process is a little bit different with the injection method. I wish I could use like a whiteboard here to show you guys the difference in how crystals are in ceramics vs metals, but I'm sure the internet has something on it and I am well aware that most people do not have the to research new things. I just happened to do carbide grades for a living and foundry work with AllClad, so I expected some of the... Uniqueness of this alloy. I don't think we have to come to nearly fisticuffs on the internet over it however, just everyone is entirely entitled to their opinion.
Why is it such a big deal to agree to disagree these days sheesh!