Manix Talk - Full sized VS Mini

[vivi]

i've always argued the the two have the same grip profile with just a bit of the hook taken off. you can see this is true in your photos with how the contours on the finger side of the handle line up basically perfectly. i can see though the the extra hook on the manix xl would give a more secure feeling to someone with very large hands.

I'm not sure how anyone could come to this conclusion after watching these videos:

Here's a little video of me gripping each knife:

Mini Manix - https://streamlala.com/yav3a/

Manix - https://streamlala.com/9qRbG/

I've always maintained the grip area on the full sized is larger, and now I have zero doubt in my mind being able to compare them side to side. It isn't just a matter of hook vs no hook. There is more space between the hook and the rear end of the index choil on the full size than there is in the same area on the mini.

Maybe you need to hold them side by side to tell, but they are definitely sized differently there, even if just a few mm. That few mm is the difference for my hand fitting well and not fitting well, so I notice it immediately.

in my comparison, i don't remember noticing the difference in width or thickness of the handle, but it would've been a negligible difference for me because both fit my hands very comfortably.

Those differences are admittedly small, but they add up to make the handle fill my grip better.

the clip position looks awkward and makes the knife sit in such a way that the full thickness of the handle is in the opening of the pocket. the manix 2, on the other hand, is clipped at the point of the handle, leaving the opening of the pocket much more accessible. that's one of my favorite things about the design because i also carry my phone in the same pocket. the manix never feels like it's in my way the way other folders sometimes do, and the xl certainly would.

Like I mentioned, it hasn't been an issue for me. In pants tight enough you can't slide your hand between your leg and the manix, you're going to come up to the full width eventually. If your pants are loose enough to slide your hand between the knife and your leg, width doesn't matter. I carry both a phone and manix in my rfp and it works for me.

i would be interested in an xl lw salt though, especially if the clip was relocated. even if it wasn't, i'd still give it a go iwb.

The full sized works great IWB. So does the Military. Knives with about 3/4" to 1" sticking out above the clip work best for me IWB.

good comparison. i was surprised to see you go for a m2lw. are you going to get the salt?

No. The mini is a good knife, but it doesn't meet my particular size preferences. I revisited it on a whim to see if my feelings had changed on it, but to be honest they haven't. The salt version wouldn't offer any advantages for me VS a Pacific Salt, but that's just my preference. I know you've been waiting a long time for one, and it's great you'll finally be able to get one!

[vivi]

The extra hook at the end of the handle is very intriguing. The Manix 2 feels a bit like my hand is not secured at the back. Though I was not excited about the clip position on the XL. Not because the knife is visible, but sometimes they feel more comfortable deeper in the pocket in order to grab my keys and other things I keep in the same pocket. For this, I have actually been looking at Rockscale designs new XL grips. They relocated the pocket clip.

https://rockscaledesign.com/collections ... manix-2-xl

The mini definitely wouldn't be my first choice for heavy draw cuts with wet hands. It does fine for most day to day use but I've used them enough in the past to know my hand sometimes wants to slip off the end when my grip is compromised.

The clip position feels good in my hand. That's something I hate about the lynch deep carry clips - they feel awful in my grip. Those scales look interesting, but I'd have to hold it to know if they work for me as well.

[vivi]

Really not sure how this is even a debate guys. Feel like ya'll are taking something

Thanks Vivi for comments . I immediately went to cabinet and looked over and confirmed my hand size . My hands are a bit smaller so the Mini in hand is at the limit and the Manix is a bit more comfortable and very secure . Truthfully I still prefer the lockback original design opposed to the caged lock but over time resistance was useless ! I have also been curious why there has never been a LWT version of the C95 model . I would buy one immediately in any Salt steel Spyderco would choose . MG2

I prefer the lockback version too but the cbbl is my second favorite lock spyderco makes.

[Fastidiotus]

Great write up and great pics for comparison Vivi. I find myself really enjoying the mini lightweight over the mini g10. Hardly ever choose the mini g10 over the Endura, but the lightweight has been giving it some competition for carry time. I had to whip mine out to make sure the existential emasculation I was feeling was well founded. Maybe I'll just start using a Native or Delica when my girlfriend is around.

[Manixguy@1994]

Really not sure how this is even a debate guys. Feel like ya'll are taking something

Thanks Vivi for comments . I immediately went to cabinet and looked over and confirmed my hand size . My hands are a bit smaller so the Mini in hand is at the limit and the Manix is a bit more comfortable and very secure . Truthfully I still prefer the lockback original design opposed to the caged lock but over time resistance was useless ! I have also been curious why there has never been a LWT version of the C95 model . I would buy one immediately in any Salt steel Spyderco would choose . MG2

I prefer the lockback version too but the cbbl is my second favorite lock spyderco makes.

I agree , the cbbl concept is great , I basically was referring to me being hard headed .

[Wartstein]

Really not sure how this is even a debate guys. Feel like ya'll are taking something

Again, I do believe in your comparison and I saw the vids!

But THIS particular pic still proves nothing imo.

JUST (!) going by this pic:

- At the point where the bottom of the "hook" of the Manix 2 hits the handle of the XL, that "hook" is actually even a tad more backwards and so on THIS point the Manix 2 should offer a tad more grip area length.

- Yes, THEN the handle of the XL extends further - but in a rather steep angle downwards, which looks like it would rather restrict where the hand can go, not necessarily offering more space (an exaggerated analogy would be if one would count the WALLS of a room into the area of the floor)

- while where the smaller "hook" of the Manix 2 ends, the flesh of the palm does have the space to extend a bit backwards should need be.

- Interesting also the comment of Dan / R100 in another thread, where he finds the Manix XL grip "a bit more cramped" than on the Manix 2 ( viewtopic.php?f=2&t=95893&start=200#p1760393)

Again, this is not arguing for the Manix XL having not more grip area (I can´t weigh in on that and your vids are pretty clear)
- but just arguing for it might not be so obvious to see on comparison pics.

[Mushroom]

Yes, you are correct. This thread is very confusing.

I literally just bought an old school “mini manix” on BF. It’s also called the “manix 80mm” and its a backlock. It’s slightly smaller than the manix 2 but it’s what the manix 2 was evolved from

It was “Manix 83mm” and to my point, it has never been named “Mini Manix.”

I hear what your saying. I just think the thread is only confusing if you treat it like Vivis not following the technical Spyderco manual. He’s just referring to the manix 2 as “mini” because the original manix 1 was large

He’s doing it intentionally though. It’s a cloaked form of trolling. He’s well aware of how confusing it is. He’s explained in the past why he says it and apparently it’s all because of an inside joke between him and himself.

There is no such thing as a Mini Manix. At least not yet, maybe Spyderco will consider designing a Mini Manix in the future.

[ladybug93]

Really not sure how this is even a debate guys. Feel like ya'll are taking something

the funny thing is how your picture shows exactly what i'm saying here, but you think we're on something.

it's only more space because the curve continues into a hook. the shape is the same, but the manix 2 ends as a bump that just doesn't hold your pinky in.

[Tristan_david2001]

Oh boy. You guys are something

[ladybug93]

Oh boy. You guys are something

[vivi]

Really not sure how this is even a debate guys. Feel like ya'll are taking something

the funny thing is how your picture shows exactly what i'm saying here, but you think we're on something.

it's only more space because the curve continues into a hook. the shape is the same, but the manix 2 ends as a bump that just doesn't hold your pinky in.

I think anyone saying the red handle is longer than the black handle is on something

[Bolster]

<-- Confusion.

Proposal:

Can we call models what Spyderco calls them, to reduce confusion? I'm not the ideal person to list out the various Manix models since I don't own them all (wish I did!), but I'll give it a shot:

The current model is the Manix 2, with CBBL, either in linered or lightweight versions (with a model number that starts with C101...), or in the larger Manix 2 XL version (with a model number that starts C95...)

Previously, there was the original Manix C95 back lock:

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C95/165

And a shortened back lock Manix called the "Manix 83mm" aka the C101:

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/detail ... roduct=212

And a linerless G10 Manix sometimes called the "Manix 2 Back Lock"

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C101MBG2/1041

There have been sporadic requests for a "Mini Manix" or a "Lil' Manix" but to my knowledge such a model does not exist.

Correct?

[ladybug93]

I think anyone saying the red handle is longer than the black handle is on something

did i miss someone saying it's longer? the xl is is clearly bigger. no one is contesting that. the reason i was initially confused as to why your hand would fit one but not the other is because the xl follows the exact same curve. because it curves out, as opposed to a sharper hook, it does give more space for larger hands, but the curve is still in the same place and at the same angle.

[Tristan_david2001]

Weather it continues the same curve angle or not is kinda besides the point, the grip area is still longer therefore allowing a larger hand to fit more comfortably like shown in vivi’s phots/videos

[R100]

- while where the smaller "hook" of the Manix 2 ends, the flesh of the palm does have the space to extend a bit backwards should need be.

- Interesting also the comment of Dan / R100 in another thread, where he finds the Manix XL grip "a bit more cramped" than on the Manix 2 ( viewtopic.php?f=2&t=95893&start=200#p1760393)

Again, this is not arguing for the Manix XL having not more grip area (I can´t weigh in on that and your vids are pretty clear)
- but just arguing for it might not be so obvious to see on comparison pics.

This is what I mean:


Here you can see that the "hook" is digging into my little finger. I find this uncomfortable.


Here you can see that while the handle is a bit short it fits comfortably into the heal of my hand.

Dan

[Mushroom]

Oh boy. You guys are something

Hey, you’re one of us too!

[Drubieg]

I literally just bought an old school “mini manix” on BF. It’s also called the “manix 80mm” and its a backlock. It’s slightly smaller than the manix 2 but it’s what the manix 2 was evolved from

It was “Manix 83mm” and to my point, it has never been named “Mini Manix.”

I hear what your saying. I just think the thread is only confusing if you treat it like Vivis not following the technical Spyderco manual. He’s just referring to the manix 2 as “mini” because the original manix 1 was large

He’s doing it intentionally though. It’s a cloaked form of trolling. He’s well aware of how confusing it is. He’s explained in the past why he says it and apparently it’s all because of an inside joke between him and himself.

There is no such thing as a Mini Manix. At least not yet, maybe Spyderco will consider designing a Mini Manix in the future.

O I see lol, I didn’t realize that it was a bother for people.

So what’s this one then?

[Mushroom]

O I see lol, I didn’t realize that it was a bother for people.

So what’s this one then?CE21D630-A7B9-459A-A0F8-26F89F8781D0.jpeg

That’s just another wrench in the works! As far as I know, that is the “Manix 83mm” but the early runs were initially labeled “Manix 80mm.” They are the same knife though.

[wrdwrght]

I literally just bought an old school “mini manix” on BF. It’s also called the “manix 80mm” and its a backlock. It’s slightly smaller than the manix 2 but it’s what the manix 2 was evolved from

It was “Manix 83mm” and to my point, it has never been named “Mini Manix.”

I hear what your saying. I just think the thread is only confusing if you treat it like Vivis not following the technical Spyderco manual. He’s just referring to the manix 2 as “mini” because the original manix 1 was large

He’s doing it intentionally though. It’s a cloaked form of trolling. He’s well aware of how confusing it is. He’s explained in the past why he says it and apparently it’s all because of an inside joke between him and himself.

There is no such thing as a Mini Manix. At least not yet, maybe Spyderco will consider designing a Mini Manix in the future.

If you’re talking Spyderco officialese, you’re not wrong.

But, when I joined this forum 12 years ago, there was certainly talk of the “Mini Manix”. And that talk was not new: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13297&p=121953&hili ... ix#p121953

In fact, talk of mini-this and mini-that abound in even earlier threads, going back to the beginning, usually in contexts of asking for a smaller version of something bigger. In the early aughts, people suggested a mini Police (>Rookie?), a mini Military (>Para Military?), mini Dyad (Mini-Dyad >Dyad Jr.?).

So, “Mini Manix” was a real (and meaningful) thing in forum communications of the past, and, given Vivi’s 16 years here, he’s hardly employing a “cloaked form of trolling”.

[EDIT TO ADD: I misremembered the Dyad’s next smaller version. Not a Mini-Dyad but a Dyad Jr., instead.

The Mini vs Jr. distinction is interesting because the Dyad Jr., and the Caly Jr., came out before their larger versions. Yet the Rescue Jr. and Goddard Jr. came out after their full-sizes.

Where “mini” was the Forum’s ask for miniaturization of a larger model, was “Jr.” Spyderco's announcement that a larger version either was imminent, or had been recently released and, if the latter, was a “mini” version of it?

Pardon my wool-gathering. Actual words cannot help but matter in Spyderville.]

[bdblue]

One thing that is definitely cooler concerning the two in the pic:
The EDGE(bevel) of the XL...

I've noticed that too. I previously owned an XL version w/ DLC blade and this accentuated the wide bevel. I'm guessing that the XL blade is thicker behind the edge. Now the only XL I own is the jade/m4 version.

I've owned 3 Manix 2 in G10 and 3 different versions of the LW. I have large hands, I bought work gloves yesterday and the XL versions fit me, but I don't have overly meaty hands. The standard Manix 2 fits me just fine. The comparisons in this thread are interesting, I aways looked at my XL as being bigger all the way around, these comparisons show that it isn't all that much bigger. The standard Manix 2 is one of my favorite carries and is my favorite work knife. As a result I don't carry the XL enough.

Considering the XL blade isn't that much longer than the standard blade, if a person wanted a long blade I wonder if the Military would be a better choice.