Military 2 Discussion (Merged)

[SAF-1]

Magnacut Plz !!!!!

[koenigsegg]

Magnacut Plz !!!!!

Yes please and also it doesn't need to be a salt

[Mushroom]

Magnacut Plz !!!!!

Yes please and also it doesn't need to be a salt

By Spydercos standards, it does.

[apollo]

Magnacut Plz !!!!!

Yes please and also it doesn't need to be a salt

By Spydercos standards, it does.

Maybe it could get such a black handle with the grooves inside of the g10 as the pm2 is getting? Could be very nice.

[Mushroom]

Magnacut Plz !!!!!

Yes please and also it doesn't need to be a salt

By Spydercos standards, it does.

Maybe it could get such a black handle with the grooves inside of the g10 as the pm2 is getting? Could be very nice.

I think that would be very nice! I like the PM2 Salt handle a lot, it looks really cool in my opinion. I like to call it a fishbone pattern. It seemed appropriate for a “Salt series” knife.

[apollo]

Yes please and also it doesn't need to be a salt

By Spydercos standards, it does.

Maybe it could get such a black handle with the grooves inside of the g10 as the pm2 is getting? Could be very nice.

I think that would be very nice! I like the PM2 Salt handle a lot, it looks really cool in my opinion. I like to call it a fishbone pattern. It seemed appropriate for a “Salt series” knife.

Never thought about it but that is a good name for it!
I do not know if you already had one in hand ones? But i find it not only good looking it gives a good feel in hand to. (Got to see it in Amsterdam)

[Manixguy@1994]

Yes please and also it doesn't need to be a salt

By Spydercos standards, it does.

Maybe it could get such a black handle with the grooves inside of the g10 as the pm2 is getting? Could be very nice.

I think that would be very nice! I like the PM2 Salt handle a lot, it looks really cool in my opinion. I like to call it a fishbone pattern. It seemed appropriate for a “Salt series” knife.

I agree the scales are unique. I like the concept better than the Caribbean. Dan

[ladybug93]

i actually really like the scales on the caribbean and i thought i'd hate them. i agree that these new scales look even better and i'm hoping to see them on more than just the pm2. id love them on a caribbean 2, g10 manix salt, and military 2.

[mark greenman]

I received the Mil 2 for Christmas, some initial pics of how it compares to the Mil 1.







Very initial impressions (far to early for real review)

Pros:
-Comp lock awesome, I like it more then liner lock in terms of smoothness in opening and closing. The sound of the liner lock I like more though, more of a snick-click! when opening whereas the Comp has more of a snick-thud opening.

-New model feels more solid / rigid, especially when squeezing tightly.

-New G10 is very grippy, I'd say the grippiest G10 I can recall having.

-Fit and Finish feels excellent over all. Blade is very sharp and perfectly centered. Lockup is rock solid.

Cons:
-Pocket clip is stainless steel vs scratchproof black. This is attractive against the black handle, but makes the knife much more visible in the pocket / IWB, which I find impractical.

-Pocket clip protrudes more. This is an ergonomic downgrade. When set up for tip down, this newer 'prouder' clip presses into my hand more than the original clip, which makes the knife less comfortable in the hand. However this is mostly noticeable when holding the knife side by side with the Mil 1; its less obvious just carrying the Mil 2 on its own. I'm hoping to be able to find a clip that sits more flush with the handle.

Side by side, the new clip extends a few MM more from the handle:



-Mil 2 lacks the radiused G10 handle edges of the Mil 1. For me, the Mil 1 is more comfortable in the hand / has less hot spots than the Mil 2. The Mil 2 is definitely comfortable, but the Mil 1 with radiused edges + flatter pocket clip is really sublime in the hand. However this is only really noticeable holding the knives side by side. Still, I wish the edges were radiused.

Note the radiusing of the Green handle vs Black





Overall I'm pleased with the Mil 2, especially the Comp Lock, as I've never been a huge liner lock fan, and viewed that as the main weakness of the Mil 1. The new Mil 2 feels more solid and modern. However the taller pocket clip and lack of radiusing on the Mil 2 could be improved as part of the QUI as the knife evolves in the future.

After I've used it for a few months I'll do a full writeup with better pics and impressions, these are just my initial thoughts.

[SAF-1]

Where’s the Fully Serrated Version?????

[Buddafucco]

CPM-S110v... Spyderco.com... https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/detail ... S110V/2502

[kennethsime]

Really hoping the Crucarta is around the corner.

[Buddafucco]

S110v... KnifeWorks... https://knifeworks.com/spyderco-militar ... c36gpdbl2/

[ladybug93]

what other runs do you all think we'll see for this knife? we're already seeing s30v, s110v, s90v, and cruwear, which is quite a wild spread right out of the gate. i'm hoping to see a magnacut version or a spy27 version to match the pm2s that were also revealed.

[shunsui]

Timely S110V Millie2. May not get the S90V CF now as I have several S90V OG Millies.

Thanks guys, love this forum.

[mark greenman]

what other runs do you all think we'll see for this knife? we're already seeing s30v, s110v, s90v, and cruwear, which is quite a wild spread right out of the gate. i'm hoping to see a magnacut version or a spy27 version to match the pm2s that were also revealed.

During the GWOT in the middle east, one of the core military knife requirements was dust / sand resistance, which is why the Military 1 had open back 'flow through' construction so that sand could easily be blown out of the knifes action.

Now it seems we're likely to see a shift in battlefields to Eastern Europe and Asia. In Ukraine we see soldiers living in damp, muddy trenches for months on end. In Asia, the US is planning for island hopping and jungle warfare.

Both are situations where I'd be worried about a knife rusting up in the field, which wasn't really a worry for the Military 1 when wars were in the desert.

As such, I'd like to see a Military 2 with a focus on corrosion resistance. Either LC2000N, Magnacut, H1, or something else.

[ladybug93]

what other runs do you all think we'll see for this knife? we're already seeing s30v, s110v, s90v, and cruwear, which is quite a wild spread right out of the gate. i'm hoping to see a magnacut version or a spy27 version to match the pm2s that were also revealed.

During the GWOT in the middle east, one of the core military knife requirements was dust / sand resistance, which is why the Military 1 had open back 'flow through' construction so that sand could easily be flown out of the knifes action.

Now it seems we're likely to see a shift in battlefields to Eastern Europe and Asia. In Ukraine we see soldiers living in damp, muddy trenches for months on end. In Asia, the US is planning for island hopping and jungle warfare.

Both are situations where I'd be worried about a knife rusting up in the field, which wasn't really a worry for the Military 1 when wars were in the desert.

As such, I'd like to see a Military 2 with a focus on corrosion resistance. Either LC2000N, Magnacut, H1, or something else.

i carried 1095 every day in iraq. in asia, i'd also prefer stainless. it can be super humid there. i'm from florida, but the most humid summer i've ever experienced was one of my three consecutive summers in korea. coated aus8 was good enough for that, but i would've loved a pacific salt back then if i had known they existed at the time. anyway, a magnacut military would serve service members well around the globe. seems like a perfect solution for a worry-free tool that you can depend on while you have to worry about more important things like keeping yourself and your trauma-bonded buddies alive.

[James Y]

what other runs do you all think we'll see for this knife? we're already seeing s30v, s110v, s90v, and cruwear, which is quite a wild spread right out of the gate. i'm hoping to see a magnacut version or a spy27 version to match the pm2s that were also revealed.

During the GWOT in the middle east, one of the core military knife requirements was dust / sand resistance, which is why the Military 1 had open back 'flow through' construction so that sand could easily be flown out of the knifes action.

Now it seems we're likely to see a shift in battlefields to Eastern Europe and Asia. In Ukraine we see soldiers living in damp, muddy trenches for months on end. In Asia, the US is planning for island hopping and jungle warfare.

Both are situations where I'd be worried about a knife rusting up in the field, which wasn't really a worry for the Military 1 when wars were in the desert.

As such, I'd like to see a Military 2 with a focus on corrosion resistance. Either LC2000N, Magnacut, H1, or something else.

I would also like to see a Salt-level Military 2. I doubt that H1/H2 would work (AFAIK, H1/H2 cannot be FFG'd). Magnacut or LC200N would be great, plus all of the hardware to be treated (or be made of a Salt steel, too) for extreme corrosion resistance. I'd definitely like to have one of those. And with G10 handles, with a flat spot(s) for where the clip presses against the G10, if it's given the same handle texture pattern as the PM2 Salt.

I know some people don't want extremely corrosion-resistant versions of knives, but I'd like them to become a permanent option with certain models.

Jim

[Brock O Lee]

I received the Mil 2 for Christmas, some initial pics of how it compares to the Mil 1.

Very initial impressions (far to early for real review)

I also really like the contoured scales on the M1, compared to the PM2 (and now the M2).

I did not realise the M2 had the proud pocket clip. Reminds me of the clip on the Swayback.

Thanks for the useful comparison.

[mark greenman]

I received the Mil 2 for Christmas, some initial pics of how it compares to the Mil 1.

Very initial impressions (far to early for real review)

I also really like the contoured scales on the M1, compared to the PM2 (and now the M2).

I did not realise the M2 had the proud pocket clip. Reminds me of the clip on the Swayback.

Thanks for the useful comparison.

I'm glad the comparison was helpful; I'm surprised there haven't been more writeups/reviews on the Military 2 yet.

I don't have any recent production 4-way clips to compare it to, but the Military 2's clip (eyeballing/holding) seems to be 1-2mm 'prouder' then the 4-way clip used on my G10 Endura and Endura wave. I'll try and get a measurement, but all my rulers here dont start flush (why they design rulers like this...).

For me, a knife the size of the M1/M2 really should be tip down, and this proudness of clip interferes a bit with my grip when setup for tip down. Setup for tip up I doubt I would have noticed.

I'm going to do some research and see which Spyderco 4-way is a) less proud / closer to the handle b) has a scratch resistant black coating.

The lack of radiusing on the G10 handle edges is increasingly irritating and is my chief complaint. It's not a deal breaker by any means, but it's a frustrating step back in ergonomics from the M1. The M2 no longer has that 'organic' magical handle feel of the M1, which was one of my favorite aspects of the knife. Gripping the M2 tightly, I can feel the pressure of the handle edge in my palm and fingers.

I assume it's a production cost decision, but at the same time the Budget Tenacious has radiused handle edges, as of course did the M1:



On the positive side, the Comp Lock + Detent is a huge improvement over the Liner Lock.

On the M1, if I opened the knife lightly or flubbed the draw, I could induce partial opens, where the knife did not open all the way and lock. Not fun when that happens.

On the M2, the tension of the Detent + Smoothness of the Comp results in the knife locking open every time, even with a weak 'thumbing' open. I will see if this continues as I use the M2 and more lint/debris gets into the action, but so far its really great in this regard.