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I am finally giving my nephew his birthday gift. It is about 6 months late/early...it is a Spyderco Sustain in 20CV, designed by Mr Ackerman and produced by Sal and his team.

I will be emailing him all of the relevant facts about the knife. It is one of my favorite knives. I sold off half of my collection but kept this as it is one of the finest full sized knives ever made, and I'll buy another duplicate or two to have backups.

I might post some pics, we will see how this evening goes.

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My nephew is 19, holds a job and is going to college.

I gave it to him and he opened it. He showed it to his father and his grandmother. I told him when he was leaving to place it in his trunk and I watched him place it there.

I EMAILED THE FOLLOWING TO HIM AFTER HE LEFT:
Do not carry the knife, or have it in your car, it is a deadly weapon and you will get arrested for it and forfeit the knife. Once you have a record, it gets very difficult to get a job....THINK.

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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... co+sustain

The knife is a Spyderco collectors knife that has been discontinued for 2 years and was worth around $300US when new. The value is probably 20% higher right now for an immaculate copy in perfect condition. The knife is made from 20CV steel, one of the best steels for edge retention ever made. You will not find many knives made with this steel that are full size fixed blades, most of the knives in 20CV are small 3 to 4 inch folders.

There are 3 companies making "20CV" and its knock offs. They are 20CV, 204P and M390 steel. They are all the same steel.

The knife was initially called The Slither, and it was designed and used by an Australian to hunt wild boar, and it is an excellent fighting knife. Killing a boar with a knife is not for the faint of heart.

Spyderco Sustain Knife Info
https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/detail ... Black/1019
https://spydercollector.wordpress.com/t ... -ackerman/

Sal, the CEO of Spyderco Said:
The model has an interesting history. Stuart can go into that, but my getting of the knife also has an interesting story; I first saw the knife at a model sharing after a meet in the UK. It was owned by a forumite that got it from Stuart. I wrote Stuart to see if I could get one, but he said he wasn't making them anymore. A couple of years later, the forumite decided to sell the knife. Stuart wrote to me because he knew I was interested in the design. I contacted the forumite and he sent the knife to me with 2 sheaths. Paying him was more complicated. He couldn't do wire transfers and we couldn't send a check in British pounds. He had a friend that was coming to the Blade show, so we met with her and gave her the funds to give to him when she returned to the UK.

So the knife was designed and built down under. Then to the UK, then to the US, then to Taiwan, back to the US and Reject gets one down under. The story of a knife model is often interesting. :D

It's a beautiful design and a good model to take into the bush for all around chores.
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What an awesome gift, I hope it serves him well. I was always curious about this model but never pulled the trigger.
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This is another step for my nephew in adulthood. He has to remain a good human being in order to get gifts like this from me. He was raised in Chicago and both of his parents are Chicago police officers. Good or bad, they are city kids. Sometimes a city perspective is good.

I sent my nephew another email last night before turning in. I am trying to get my nephew and niece interested in subjects outside of their existing knowledge base. They are young and I'd like them to think about how knowing different things could impact their lives and possibly be a choice for a career path. I am trying to let them know with my wording that there are options to a college degree, and options within the realm of obtaining a college degree.


I WROTE THE FOLLOWING TO HIM:
The attached knife steel chart is from Knife Steel Nerds https://knifesteelnerds.com/ and is a graph of the most popular knife steels. The vertical "Y" axis is labeled TCC, which stands for Total Cards Cut. The horizontal or "X" axis is labeled Hardness or RC. Knife Steel Nerds is an Internet site that discusses knife steels, their metallurgical engineering and manufacture. People interested in collecting or buying knives read the articles prepared by author, metallurgist and engineer Larrin Thomas to seek the best knife steels available for a particular use. There are a couple of other sites, the best being The Science of Sharp: https://scienceofsharp.com/

Metallurgy requires courses in math, chemistry, physics, but the articles on Knife Steel Nerds are very readable. Often bladesmiths, people who make knives read the articles, and they often do not have degrees. They use the content to understand how to use different steels. They have to understand the articles well enough to design excellent knives.

TCC measures the total cardboard cards cut on a special machine called a CATRA Machine. Hardness is a measurement for metallurgical engineers for tracking differences in steels and where they fall in brittleness and pliability(softness, toughness).

The 3 main areas for knife steel measurement are Toughness, Hardness and Corrosion Resistance. These 3 areas are a gradient for all steels and they are different for all steels.

Something with a high hardness usually cuts better, is harder to sharpen, and is not tough, the high hardness makes it unsuitable for use as a large knife because it may snap if abused. The minimum and maximum hardness for any knife steel determines which steel to use for a particular application or use. The knife that I gave you is designed for soft targets....specifically, animal or human flesh.

A machete is generally soft or we say has a "high toughness," and it absorbs shock when used to chop at tree limbs. Soft or high toughness steels do not have a high edge retention and have to be sharpened frequently. A small 3 to 4 inch folding knife can have a steel with a relatively high hardness because it is not going to be used aggressively.

[I told him earlier in the evening that at one time I had $20,000 in knives but sold half of them off. I concluded...] Although I sold off half of my knives I saved the best engineered and designed knives. You have one of the best knives, so take care of it. A knife is a tool. Don't be stupid.
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Freediver wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:52 pm
What an awesome gift, I hope it serves him well. I was always curious about this model but never pulled the trigger.
Thank you.

I do not have a lot of "things," but I have the knowledge gained for having lived 63 years and I am going to try to influence my nephew and niece to always THINK and be good people. I will use everything at my disposal to help them.

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What a fine gift for a young man.

You did good.
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That was a wonderful gift. Now he needs a pocketknife, perhaps a Dragonfly.
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Murphy Slaw wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2023 6:19 am
What a fine gift for a young man.

You did good.
Thank you
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Doc Dan wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:39 am
That was a wonderful gift. Now he needs a pocketknife, perhaps a Dragonfly.
I have to get something for his younger sister. Cannot give to one and not the other so I am thinking about what to do. But yes, they will both be on the receiving end of more knives and books.
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Naperville
I am honoured that you chose a Sustain to be a gift to your nephew!

You are a wise man to include a lot of info about metallurgy, safety and piece of mind, especially when dealing with the laws of the land.

Does he also live in Illinois?
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Stuart Ackerman wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:08 pm
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I am honoured that you chose a Sustain to be a gift to your nephew!

You are a wise man to include a lot of info about metallurgy, safety and piece of mind, especially when dealing with the laws of the land.

Does he also live in Illinois?
Yes, both children live in Illinois. They are from Chicago.

I am trying to get them to think about different things, different fields, different jobs.

I'm trying to transfer some of my interests to them.

I am 63 and as I have said do not have a lot of assets. I gave up on the chase long ago. But I do not reveal that to them, let them dream and chart their own path. Maybe things will work out for them.

My nephew had great grades at a Catholic High School, and started college somewhere close to home a year ago. The university may have been recommended by his high school. I did not discuss his plans last night, but apparently last year he was considering a transfer to Champaign-Urbana in Illinois.

I think college is great, you get to learn quite a bit if you apply yourself, but there is no guarantee that income will follow. You have to be happy with the process of learning.
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Cool Uncle! :cheap-sunglasses
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Blaine in the Rock wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:11 pm
Cool Uncle! :cheap-sunglasses
I've never been called cool before, that is quite the compliment.

I always tell them to drive the speed limit. They are under 21 and claim they do not do drugs or drink, so that is good news.

I'm trying to lead them to think about different careers, and to be careful with the only life that they have.
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