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Rivets?

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To Spyderco,
Are the new production of "Light" Knives such as the Manix 2 going to included Screws or rivets?
If not then is there going to be another production run on the Manix 2 with Black G10 or another color?
Thanks
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Dear mongo1958:

All current production of the Manix 2 Lightweight features screw-together construction. All G-10 versions of the Manix 2 included in the 2023 catalog are full-line products that will remain in regular production.

With that said, we have no visibility on what a dealer or other seller may have on his shelf, so older stock of riveted Manix 2 Lightweights certainly exists out in the world.

Stay safe,

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mongo1958 wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:39 pm
To Spyderco,
Are the new production of "Light" Knives such as the Manix 2 going to included Screws or rivets?
If not then is there going to be another production run on the Manix 2 with Black G10 or another color?
Thanks
Mongo

All other current production "lightweight" Spydies I am aware of off the top of my head are screw construction anyway, and as Michael said: The Manix LW is now too...
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Thank you Mr. Janich and Mr. Wartstein for answering my question.
My 2 Spyderco Knives are fast becoming my favorite carry knives, especially my Parra 3. The functional simplicity of the design of the PM2 and the Para 3 are amazing.
However, what if I wanted to swap out the blade to a different blade with serrations, a different metal, or coating, can I buy parts from Spyderco? I can not find a parts section in the Spyderco web site. Is this something that Spyderco does not support? Thanks in advance.
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Hi Mongo. As I understand it, Spyderco emphasizes top-quality fitment and safety, and therefore does not sell blades as separate interchangeable parts, since they could not control the quality of the product that way. On a practical level, I think it would be a lot more efficient to spend ~$150 for another knife with a serrated blade (or other steel), than to disassemble, swap multiple blades in and out of a single knife handle, and reassemble when you want either PE or SE or whatever. Time is money, you know!

Yes, some folks do tinker-toy their knives, it can be done, and if you've the skill and the tools you can do it too. But you'd need to buy multiple knives to frankenstein your custom, and there'd be no warranty covering it. No knife company would be able to take on that level of risk.
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mongo1958 wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:58 am
Thank you Mr. Janich and Mr. Wartstein for answering my question.
My 2 Spyderco Knives are fast becoming my favorite carry knives, especially my Parra 3. The functional simplicity of the design of the PM2 and the Para 3 are amazing.
However, what if I wanted to swap out the blade to a different blade with serrations, a different metal, or coating, can I buy parts from Spyderco? I can not find a parts section in the Spyderco web site. Is this something that Spyderco does not support? Thanks in advance.
Mongo

You can´t.

Others, especially Sal or Michael Janich, could answer a lot better than I can, but basically it is like this:

Spyderco has so many models and variants, and first and foremost their "cqi" (= constant quality improvement), which can and will lead to small changes in parts. This would mean storing parts for every model plus making sure to always sell the 100% correct part would be much to cumbersome and take a lot of space and logistics. Not worth it.

And, I guess it would encourage folks to disassemble their knives who are perhaps not up to the task (yet) and lead to a lot more warranty issues.

Just what I seem to recall and believe, take it with a grain of Salt.
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- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Added to my post above:

@ Mongo: Should you be disappointed that no separate parts are sold by Spyderco:

Imagine they´d actually commit to the "nightmare" and store and sell separate parts: This would cost them a LOT of money in logistics, storage, warranty and certainly as a consequence drive up the prices for their products in general!

And: Let´s say you ruin a blade, you can always send the knife in to Spyderco for a replacement and repair, at least with current production models as far as I know.
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Wartstein wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:05 am
Added to my post above:

@ Mongo: Should you be disappointed that no separate parts are sold by Spyderco:

Imagine they´d actually commit to the "nightmare" and store and sell separate parts: This would cost them a LOT of money in logistics, storage, warranty and certainly as a consequence drive up the prices for their products in general!

And: Let´s say you ruin a blade, you can always send the knife in to Spyderco for a replacement and repair, at least with current production models as far as I know.
Gotcha. I never considered that aspect of it.
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Michael Janich wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:47 am
Dear mongo1958:

All current production of the Manix 2 Lightweight features screw-together construction. All G-10 versions of the Manix 2 included in the 2023 catalog are full-line products that will remain in regular production.

With that said, we have no visibility on what a dealer or other seller may have on his shelf, so older stock of riveted Manix 2 Lightweights certainly exists out in the world.

Stay safe,

Mike

With that being said. Are the New BladeHQ mint m4 manix LW rivets or screws?
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Mrj wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:29 pm
Michael Janich wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:47 am
....

With that being said. Are the New BladeHQ mint m4 manix LW rivets or screws?

Still pinned / rivets, see also this thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=94332#p1695874
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Wartstein wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:37 am
Mrj wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:29 pm
Michael Janich wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:47 am
....

With that being said. Are the New BladeHQ mint m4 manix LW rivets or screws?

Still pinned / rivets, see also this thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=94332#p1695874
So you are basing your conclusions off the stock photo? Or do you know 100%? It’s pinned. More than likely it is pinned. I just wanted it confirmed by Spyderco if it is or not. And if there is a dlc blade version would it be pinned as well. They claim “all new” will be screws.
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Mrj wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:40 am
Wartstein wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:37 am
Mrj wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:29 pm
Michael Janich wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:47 am
....
Still pinned / rivets, see also this thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=94332#p1695874
So you are basing your conclusions off the stock photo? Or do you know 100%? It’s pinned. More than likely it is pinned. I just wanted it confirmed by Spyderco if it is or not. And if there is a dlc blade version would it be pinned as well. They claim “all new” will be screws.

I actually did base my conclusion on the stock photo and on what others have said.. so yes, I could be wrong!
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Wartstein is correct. The knife is pinned.
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i've seen mistakes in spyderco product photoshop, but i don't believe that's what this is.
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My Pinned Manix 2 LW Translucent Blue BD1N. Yeah it is pinned but it's FREAK'N sharp and it is a great knife. The action was pretty stiff at first but it has loosened up quite a bit and it is very nice now.
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mongo1958 wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:44 pm
My Pinned Manix 2 LW Translucent Blue BD1N. Yeah it is pinned but it's FREAK'N sharp and it is a great knife. The action was pretty stiff at first but it has loosened up quite a bit and it is very nice now.
...

Said it before: I´ve never had any problems whatsoever with my pinned Manix LWs (three that I use(d) extensively).

Main reason why I still want a screwed one eventually: Though I am really not a guy who disassembles his folders all the time, I still have quite a few times with linerlocks, comp.locks and especially backlocks.
I am just interested in Spydies and their technology, and so I´d really like to dis - and re- assemble and just directly look at the "insides" of a CBBL knife too (I´ve read funny things about "springs shooting through the room", would like to experience that too.. :grin-sweat ) - not a real option with pins.
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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mongo1958 wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:58 am
Thank you Mr. Janich and Mr. Wartstein for answering my question.
My 2 Spyderco Knives are fast becoming my favorite carry knives, especially my Parra 3. The functional simplicity of the design of the PM2 and the Para 3 are amazing.
However, what if I wanted to swap out the blade to a different blade with serrations, a different metal, or coating, can I buy parts from Spyderco? I can not find a parts section in the Spyderco web site. Is this something that Spyderco does not support? Thanks in advance.
Mongo

Although they don't sell the parts separately, you can still have quite a bit of fun mix/matching different scales, blades, etc -- you just have to buy an entire extra knife to do it. I've swapped the handle and blade in some of my LW Native 5 spydies (to get a plainedge blackout one, back in the days when they didn't offer that configuration) and traded away the leftover Franken-knife.
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Wartstein: There are quite a few videos on Spyderco disassembly that I have enjoyed watching. However, I do not have any interest in taking apart my knives unless I need to.

embry386: Hmmm....got a photo?
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mongo1958 wrote:
Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:24 am
Wartstein: There are quite a few videos on Spyderco disassembly that I have enjoyed watching. However, I do not have any interest in taking apart my knives unless I need to.
...

Generally I don´t take apart my knives too unless I need to! Actually pretty seldom, quite some of mine have never, ever been apart.

But: Just out of knife (design / engineering) interest and enthusiasm I somehow like to experience and see at least one time first hand and "on the inside" how a certain lock type looks and works. A vid can´t give me that.
So: If I had a CBBL knife with screw construction I´d certainly take it apart at some point (rather when some cleaning or whatever would not hurt anyway), but after having done this once I´d rather have it not actually being necessary a second time.
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Wartstein wrote:
Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:08 am
mongo1958 wrote:
Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:24 am
Wartstein: There are quite a few videos on Spyderco disassembly that I have enjoyed watching. However, I do not have any interest in taking apart my knives unless I need to.
...

Generally I don´t take apart my knives too unless I need to! Actually pretty seldom, quite some of mine have never, ever been apart.

But: Just out of knife (design / engineering) interest and enthusiasm I somehow like to experience and see at least one time first hand and "on the inside" how a certain lock type looks and works. A vid can´t give me that.
So: If I had a CBBL knife with screw construction I´d certainly take it apart at some point (rather when some cleaning or whatever would not hurt anyway), but after having done this once I´d rather have it not actually being necessary a second time.
Yeah, I understand. I am that way with my guns. After day at the range, the 1911 is fun to disassemble down to all it's parts and clean and reassemble.
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