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Low Inside Heel Hook to High Instep Kick

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:05 pm

Martial Arts vs Street Fighting

Featuring Geoff Thompson

As always, excellent stuff from Geoff Thompson. Not many 'traditional' martial arts emphasize pre-emptive striking. And Mr. Thompson emphasizes having one good, highly-developed, pre-emptive strike. Other techniques and skills can be used for backup, but that one pre-emptive striking technique, whatever yours is, must be honed to perfection. Meaning trained and trained until you're sick of it, and then training it some more, until it's an automatic action. Mr. Thompson's chosen pre-emptive strike during his years working the door at one of the UK's roughest clubs was a right cross to the chin or jaw.

The reason for choosing one single pre-emptive striking technique is to eliminate the problem of having too many options, which will cause hesitation in a real situation.

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby Naperville » Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:36 pm

Allegedly Norman Schwarzkopf said, "The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war." The folks losing in these combative sports competitions are better than 90% of the street fighters out there. Besides, win lose or draw it is fun to get in there and do it.
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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:33 am

Naperville wrote:
Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:36 pm
Allegedly Norman Schwarzkopf said, "The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war." The folks losing in these combative sports competitions are better than 90% of the street fighters out there. Besides, win lose or draw it is fun to get in there and do it.

Agreed.

One thing I have been thinking a lot about lately whenever I watch contact sports is CTE. I remember back in the early 2000s, many MMA/ "cage fighting" fans claiming that MMA does not cause CTE, because unlike boxing, it's not just punching, but also includes grappling, which doesn't cause head trauma.

Which is nonsense, of course. Back then, MMA was still in its early stages in the States. Now we are seeing the effects of CTE in several MMA fighters, particularly ones who engaged in "bangers." ANY contact sport, including amateur wrestling (and probably Judo), and even soccer, can cause various degrees of CTE. It's also happened to many "fake" professional wrestlers. One doesn't need to be KO'd to get it; it's a cumulative effect of jarring of the brain. I've heard it can be present to some degree in men who only played high school football. It can take decades for the effects to show themselves, if they ever do.

It makes me wonder about all the sparring I did as a young man, and the competitions I fought in, even though I was good at protecting my head. I still took shots. But that was decades ago, and so far, so good. My mental health and my memory are as sharp as ever.

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:54 am

Side Kicks Keep Getting Proven Right

The side kick was always my favorite kick. I personally wouldn't use it above the knee on the street, but in sparring and competition, any level worked for me. For myself, the low sidekick to the knee or shin is better and safer to use than the Muay Thai round kick to the leg, because the latter requires proper and extensive shin conditioning to be effective, and carries the risk of breaking your own shin if it's blocked or lands wrong.

If timed properly, a low side kick to the knee or shin is devastating and difficult to defend against, if timed when the opponent is putting his weight onto his front leg, which he must do in order to step closer to you.

The late, great Joe Lewis had a hellacious left side kick.

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby Naperville » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:27 am

James Y wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:33 am
Naperville wrote:
Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:36 pm
Allegedly Norman Schwarzkopf said, "The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war." The folks losing in these combative sports competitions are better than 90% of the street fighters out there. Besides, win lose or draw it is fun to get in there and do it.

Agreed.

One thing I have been thinking a lot about lately whenever I watch contact sports is CTE. I remember back in the early 2000s, many MMA/ "cage fighting" fans claiming that MMA does not cause CTE, because unlike boxing, it's not just punching, but also includes grappling, which doesn't cause head trauma.

Which is nonsense, of course. Back then, MMA was still in its early stages in the States. Now we are seeing the effects of CTE in several MMA fighters, particularly ones who engaged in "bangers." ANY contact sport, including amateur wrestling (and probably Judo), and even soccer, can cause various degrees of CTE. It's also happened to many "fake" professional wrestlers. One doesn't need to be KO'd to get it; it's a cumulative effect of jarring of the brain. I've heard it can be present to some degree in men who only played high school football. It can take decades for the effects to show themselves, if they ever do.

It makes me wonder about all the sparring I did as a young man, and the competitions I fought in, even though I was good at protecting my head. I still took shots. But that was decades ago, and so far, so good. My mental health and my memory are as sharp as ever.

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Yea, CTE is bad news and as far as I know there is no way to stop it in contact sports(soccer and auto racing sports included) and even the US military cannot prevent it. The US military was working with special helmets that measured blasts and head trauma but I do not think they found a way to fight in one of those giant rubber balls.

Have you noticed that Al Unser Jr is rarely on TV? I think he has had serious head trauma and may be a bit punch drunk.

Most of us would be lucky to see 100. Some of us will be lucky to see 80.
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Postby Naperville » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:31 am

I may have figured out what ails my shoulder. Supplements! I take a lot of them and just stopped MK-7, which is vitamin K2. I'll stop taking it for a month and see what happens. It allegedly strips calcium out of veins and transfers it to bones.

After the 3-way bypass in 2017, I wanted to see if I could avoid that problem again so I started taking K2 and D3. I've been taking D3 for years over the Winter, so I'm still taking that but now I'm down to once a day. I was taking K2 and D3 2x per day.
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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:27 pm

Naperville wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:31 am
I may have figured out what ails my shoulder. Supplements! I take a lot of them and just stopped MK-7, which is vitamin K2. I'll stop taking it for a month and see what happens. It allegedly strips calcium out of veins and transfers it to bones.

After the 3-way bypass in 2017, I wanted to see if I could avoid that problem again so I started taking K2 and D3. I've been taking D3 for years over the Winter, so I'm still taking that but now I'm down to once a day. I was taking K2 and D3 2x per day.

I really hope this works out for you. Maybe that has been the problem.

As for Al Unser Jr., I had to look him up (I’m not really into the sport of race car driving), but I have noticed several older (but not “old” old) MMA fighters slurring their speech. I don’t watch MMA very often anymore, but I first started noticing it with Wanderlei Silva many years ago (well over a decade ago). Someone can have CTE and show no signs of it, because it can take years, sometimes decades, for symptoms to manifest. Lots of fighters (boxers, MMA fighters, kickboxers, etc.) stay in the game too long, because they look and feel fine, not knowing that they already have CTE. And also maybe because they have no other skills or interests in life. Gary Goodridge can’t even care for himself anymore. I’m certain that we’re going to be seeing the obvious effects of CTE in more and more of these MMA fighters as the years go on. Look at Chuck Liddell now, and even many of the younger current fighters. Phil Baroni is in a Mexican prison for beating his Mexican girlfriend to death, and some are blaming it on his CTE (though IMO, there is zero excuse for murder). CTE is a scary thing.

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby Naperville » Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:10 pm

James Y wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:27 pm
Naperville wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:31 am
I may have figured out what ails my shoulder. Supplements! I take a lot of them and just stopped MK-7, which is vitamin K2. I'll stop taking it for a month and see what happens. It allegedly strips calcium out of veins and transfers it to bones.

After the 3-way bypass in 2017, I wanted to see if I could avoid that problem again so I started taking K2 and D3. I've been taking D3 for years over the Winter, so I'm still taking that but now I'm down to once a day. I was taking K2 and D3 2x per day.

I really hope this works out for you. Maybe that has been the problem.

As for Al Unser Jr., I had to look him up (I’m not really into the sport of race car driving), but I have noticed several older (but not “old” old) MMA fighters slurring their speech. I don’t watch MMA very often anymore, but I first started noticing it with Wanderlei Silva many years ago (well over a decade ago). Someone can have CTE and show no signs of it, because it can take years, sometimes decades, for symptoms to manifest. Lots of fighters (boxers, MMA fighters, kickboxers, etc.) stay in the game too long, because they look and feel fine, not knowing that they already have CTE. And also maybe because they have no other skills or interests in life. Gary Goodridge can’t even care for himself anymore. I’m certain that we’re going to be seeing the obvious effects of CTE in more and more of these MMA fighters as the years go on. Look at Chuck Liddell now, and even many of the younger current fighters. Phil Baroni is in a Mexican prison for beating his Mexican girlfriend to death, and some are blaming it on his CTE (though IMO, there is zero excuse for murder). CTE is a scary thing.

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CTE scares me. Scares my brother who was a Chicago police officer for 20+ years.

MMA is bad news for CTE in my opinion. BJJ is not the issue, it's the striking.

With all of the hockey and martial arts behind me, I never felt the need to get into fights. I am NO martial arts expert, I don't know I just didn't get into that many fights. Never got into a fight in hockey. Maybe only took hits to the head in 1 fight since I was 14. Not counting sparring of course....I almost lost my left eye sparring in escrima with a rattan stick once! I'll be fine though.

My brother though has been in dozens of all out brawls while on duty, and even had his squad car flip and roll. He, I will be watching.
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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:14 pm

Naperville wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:10 pm
James Y wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:27 pm
Naperville wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:31 am
I may have figured out what ails my shoulder. Supplements! I take a lot of them and just stopped MK-7, which is vitamin K2. I'll stop taking it for a month and see what happens. It allegedly strips calcium out of veins and transfers it to bones.

After the 3-way bypass in 2017, I wanted to see if I could avoid that problem again so I started taking K2 and D3. I've been taking D3 for years over the Winter, so I'm still taking that but now I'm down to once a day. I was taking K2 and D3 2x per day.

I really hope this works out for you. Maybe that has been the problem.

As for Al Unser Jr., I had to look him up (I’m not really into the sport of race car driving), but I have noticed several older (but not “old” old) MMA fighters slurring their speech. I don’t watch MMA very often anymore, but I first started noticing it with Wanderlei Silva many years ago (well over a decade ago). Someone can have CTE and show no signs of it, because it can take years, sometimes decades, for symptoms to manifest. Lots of fighters (boxers, MMA fighters, kickboxers, etc.) stay in the game too long, because they look and feel fine, not knowing that they already have CTE. And also maybe because they have no other skills or interests in life. Gary Goodridge can’t even care for himself anymore. I’m certain that we’re going to be seeing the obvious effects of CTE in more and more of these MMA fighters as the years go on. Look at Chuck Liddell now, and even many of the younger current fighters. Phil Baroni is in a Mexican prison for beating his Mexican girlfriend to death, and some are blaming it on his CTE (though IMO, there is zero excuse for murder). CTE is a scary thing.

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CTE scares me. Scares my brother who was a Chicago police officer for 20+ years.

MMA is bad news for CTE in my opinion. BJJ is not the issue, it's the striking.

With all of the hockey and martial arts behind me, I never felt the need to get into fights. I am NO martial arts expert, I don't know I just didn't get into that many fights. Never got into a fight in hockey. Maybe only took hits to the head in 1 fight since I was 14. Not counting sparring of course....I almost lost my left eye sparring in escrima with a rattan stick once! I'll be fine though.

My brother though has been in dozens of all out brawls while on duty, and even had his squad car flip and roll. He, I will be watching.

Best to both you and your brother.

I wonder if CTE is going to be much more commonly seen and obvious in the coming decades. These past couple of decades has seen a dramatic increase in people becoming fighters, or simply participating in combat sports.

Many men and women who have become MMA and Muay Thai fighters, for example, probably would've never even thought about becoming fighters if they had been born 20 or 30 years earlier. Now, everybody and their memaw fancies themselves to be fighters, if you look at YouTube comments. Even if most of those commenters themselves probably don't even train, participation in combat sports is at an all-time high.

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:16 pm

A Demonstration of Elite WWII Combat Techniques

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