any plans for a PM2 lightweight?

[sethwm]

I’d love a PM2 lightweight. Same sorta construction as the para3 LW. Same FRN, wire clip, compression lock, etc.

Anything in the works?

[Mushroom]

I do not know any more than anyone else but yes, it’s in the works.

[kennethsime]

This has been discussed a few times now. I think it’s been prototyped, but probably very far off still.

I think there is some hesitation around “getting it right the first time,” just like there was around the Military 2.

In the mean time, you might consider a Stretch LW, especially the K390 version. It’s the same size, has very similar ergonomics, a nice straight clip point blade, and is readily available.

[akapennypincher]

Why make a Survival knife lite? They need to have mussel.

[Wartstein]

They even produced the BD1N PM2 blade already which the base model of the PM2 LW presumably will feature (just like the Para 3 LW does) - in that aluminum exclusive (https://www.bladehq.com/item--Spyderco- ... ck--105230). This one was the closest to a PM2 LW so far anyway, if one specifically looks at he actual weight (3.25 oz)

[anycal]

Unlike the Para 3 LW, this one needs partial liners on both sides, and two PB washers. Otherwise I'm out.

[p_atrick]

I’m not a fan of the milling pattern on the aluminum scales; absolute cheese grater of a pattern. I have stopped carrying it. Other than that, what a beautiful knife.

[Cl1ff]

They even produced the BD1N PM2 blade already which the base model of the PM2 LW presumably will feature (just like the Para 3 LW does) - in that aluminum exclusive (https://www.bladehq.com/item--Spyderco- ... ck--105230). This one was the closest to a PM2 LW so far anyway, if one specifically looks at he actual weight (3.25 oz)

I hope a Military 2 is made like this in regular production.
It would become more interesting to me. Especially with a serrated version.

Those aluminum PM2s are the best ones, in my opinion.
Light (linerless), Colorful, lower price, and yet the metal (aluminum) is probably more confidence inspiring than FRN, which would all translate well to the Military 2.
FRN is my favorite normally, but I think I actually like the aluminum more for linerless compression locks.

It would be nice to different textures or just plain flat aluminum with different finishes.

I pretty much said all this yesterday in a different thread, though!

Having said all of that, I’m still looking forward to the PM2 lightweight in FRN. I think it will be a great knife that I’ll probably like more than the G10 or Micarta versions from the factory.

[Wartstein]

They even produced the BD1N PM2 blade already which the base model of the PM2 LW presumably will feature (just like the Para 3 LW does) - in that aluminum exclusive (https://www.bladehq.com/item--Spyderco- ... ck--105230). This one was the closest to a PM2 LW so far anyway, if one specifically looks at he actual weight (3.25 oz)

I hope a Military 2 is made like this in regular production.
It would become more interesting to me. Especially with a serrated version.

Those aluminum PM2s are the best ones, in my opinion.
Light (linerless), Colorful, lower price, and yet the metal (aluminum) is probably more confidence inspiring than FRN, which would all translate well to the Military 2.
FRN is my favorite normally, but I think I actually like the aluminum more for linerless compression locks.

It would be nice to different textures or just plain flat aluminum with different finishes.

I pretty much said all this yesterday in a different thread, though!

Having said all of that, I’m still looking forward to the PM2 lightweight in FRN. I think it will be a great knife that I’ll probably like more than the G10 or Micarta versions from the factory.

I have no experience with larger, linerlocks [EDIT: Meant linerLESS, not linerLOCK...] FRN comp.locks (obviously, there are none... ), just had a Para 3 LW for a month, and it did fine in (almost) linerless.

It could very well be that a large, linlerless comp.lock knife might end up being too "flexy"? Or more flexy than a large linerless Back lock knife, since the steel of the lockbar ist not there to support the structure?

[sethwm]

They even produced the BD1N PM2 blade already which the base model of the PM2 LW presumably will feature (just like the Para 3 LW does) - in that aluminum exclusive (https://www.bladehq.com/item--Spyderco- ... ck--105230). This one was the closest to a PM2 LW so far anyway, if one specifically looks at he actual weight (3.25 oz)

I hope a Military 2 is made like this in regular production.
It would become more interesting to me. Especially with a serrated version.

Those aluminum PM2s are the best ones, in my opinion.
Light (linerless), Colorful, lower price, and yet the metal (aluminum) is probably more confidence inspiring than FRN, which would all translate well to the Military 2.
FRN is my favorite normally, but I think I actually like the aluminum more for linerless compression locks.

It would be nice to different textures or just plain flat aluminum with different finishes.

I pretty much said all this yesterday in a different thread, though!

Having said all of that, I’m still looking forward to the PM2 lightweight in FRN. I think it will be a great knife that I’ll probably like more than the G10 or Micarta versions from the factory.

I have no experience with larger, linerlocks FRN comp.locks (obviously, there are none... ), just had a Para 3 LW for a month, and it did fine in (almost) linerless.

It could very well be that a large, linlerless comp.lock knife might end up being too "flexy"? Or more flexy than a large linerless Back lock knife, since the steel of the lockbar ist not there to support the structure?

I’d be ok with skeletonized liners though I suppose this is my longer lightweight. I like the rounded edges on the handle of my para 3 lw a bunch.

[Vladimir1970]

Why make a Survival knife lite? They need to have mussel.

For survival in extreme conditions, fixed blade knives are more suitable! IMHO

[akapennypincher]

Why make a Survival knife lite? They need to have mussel.

For survival in extreme conditions, fixed blade knives are more suitable! IMHO

Your point is valid be when doo doo happens I would rather have sturdy folder verses nothing or lightweight.

Honestly if packing a 3oz., v/s 5oz folder is killing you, get on diet.

Diet was humor, but like guy who spent $400.00 on Titanium Parts to make Road Bicycle 2 pounds lighter.

They could have diet off 5-10 but cutting junk food, and save big bucks of junk food and lightweight parts.

[sethwm]

Why make a Survival knife lite? They need to have mussel.

For survival in extreme conditions, fixed blade knives are more suitable! IMHO

Your point is valid be when doo doo happens I would rather have sturdy folder verses nothing or lightweight.

Honestly if packing a 3oz., v/s 5oz folder is killing you, get on diet.

Diet was humor, but like guy who spent $400.00 on Titanium Parts to make Road Bicycle 2 pounds lighter.

They could have diet off 5-10 but cutting junk food, and save big bucks of junk food and lightweight parts.

Sure but a lightweight is more than just lighter. The FRN feels better imho than the g-10.

[kennethsime]

I have no experience with larger, linerlocks FRN comp.locks (obviously, there are none... ), just had a Para 3 LW for a month, and it did fine in (almost) linerless.

It could very well be that a large, linlerless comp.lock knife might end up being too "flexy"? Or more flexy than a large linerless Back lock knife, since the steel of the lockbar ist not there to support the structure?

I carry a Benchmade Bugout on a regular basis, and if I really want to I can flex the scales easily. I can do the same on my Para 3 LW, but not as easily. Funny thing is, the knives still cut great. Who knew? :p

[Wartstein]

I have no experience with larger, linerlocks FRN comp.locks (obviously, there are none... ), just had a Para 3 LW for a month, and it did fine in (almost) linerless.

It could very well be that a large, linlerless comp.lock knife might end up being too "flexy"? Or more flexy than a large linerless Back lock knife, since the steel of the lockbar ist not there to support the structure?

I carry a Benchmade Bugout on a regular basis, and if I really want to I can flex the scales easily. I can do the same on my Para 3 LW, but not as easily. Funny thing is, the knives still cut great. Who knew? :p

.. I know, that´s what counts (if they cut properly) and I am actually a fan of large linerless FRN models (Pac Salt, Stretch XL..). Even if I can deliberately provoke more flex than in linered versions, this has never had any implications in real use. Work perfectly fine.

I can´t tell though what Spydercos own standards are on the perceived rigidity of linerless comp. lock or linerlock models, and at which point flex on a long handle could have an influence on the security of the lockup in extreme situations - even more so on a linerlock

[BornIn1500]

Why make a Survival knife lite? They need to have mussel.

What makes the PM2 a "survival knife"? And if it's a "survival knife", then surely every other g10 knife with a 3 inch blade could be called a survival knife, too. Right?

But anyway, the regular PM2 will still be made. A lightweight version would only be an addition. So you can rest easy knowing you'll still be able to slay those zombies in the apocalypse while you watch in vindication as those lightweight knives crumble around you. When they come running to you to save the world, politely lock them out of your house and tell them "I told you so". I'd like to say they'll learn their lesson, but there probably won't be much of them left after the zombies get to them.

[kennethsime]

I have no experience with larger, linerlocks FRN comp.locks (obviously, there are none... ), just had a Para 3 LW for a month, and it did fine in (almost) linerless.

It could very well be that a large, linlerless comp.lock knife might end up being too "flexy"? Or more flexy than a large linerless Back lock knife, since the steel of the lockbar ist not there to support the structure?

I carry a Benchmade Bugout on a regular basis, and if I really want to I can flex the scales easily. I can do the same on my Para 3 LW, but not as easily. Funny thing is, the knives still cut great. Who knew? :p

.. I know, that´s what counts (if they cut properly) and I am actually a fan of large linerless FRN models (Pac Salt, Stretch XL..). Even if I can deliberately provoke more flex than in linered versions, this has never had any implications in real use. Work perfectly fine.

I can´t tell though what Spydercos own standards are on the perceived rigidity of linerless comp. lock or linerlock models, and at which point flex on a long handle could have an influence on the security of the lockup in extreme situations - even more so on a linerlock

Hmm… I guess I hadn’t thought about that. I think with the comp lock, the vertical rigidity is what matters - from belly to spine, if you will. I guess the same is true for a liner lock.

I don’t think that scale flex would have much affect on either - the lock spring should be stable, and independent of the scale, shouldn’t it?

[Wartstein]

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.. I know, that´s what counts (if they cut properly) and I am actually a fan of large linerless FRN models (Pac Salt, Stretch XL..). Even if I can deliberately provoke more flex than in linered versions, this has never had any implications in real use. Work perfectly fine.

I can´t tell though what Spydercos own standards are on the perceived rigidity of linerless comp. lock or linerlock models, and at which point flex on a long handle could have an influence on the security of the lockup in extreme situations - even more so on a linerlock

Hmm… I guess I hadn’t thought about that. I think with the comp lock, the vertical rigidity is what matters - from belly to spine, if you will. I guess the same is true for a liner lock.

I don’t think that scale flex would have much affect on either - the lock spring should be stable, and independent of the scale, shouldn’t it?

I am not so sure: With a linerlock I´d imagine that if a a handle flexes / twists too much "lengthwise" (so grabbed at the handle end and the handle front (where the blade comes out) and then flexed) this could very well lead to the lock disengaging or at least not locking up as proper anymore?

I don´t have a "flexy" liner- or comp lock , "just" two Tenacious LW and a PM2, both very rigid "lengthwise", so I can´t test.

[kennethsime]

I am not so sure: With a linerlock I´d imagine that if a a handle flexes / twists too much "lengthwise" (so grabbed at the handle end and the handle front (where the blade comes out) and then flexed) this could very well lead to the lock disengaging or at least not locking up as proper anymore?

I don´t have a "flexy" liner- or comp lock , "just" two Tenacious LW and a PM2, both very rigid "lengthwise", so I can´t test.

Ah, that makes sense. I was trying to imagine disengaging the lock by pinching the knife, which I couldn’t imagine. The Bugout gets around this by having liners around the lock itself - I think a similar approach with partial liners on both sides, as indicated by anycal above, would probably work well for a PM2 lightweight.

[akapennypincher]

Why make a Survival knife lite? They need to have mussel.

What makes the PM2 a "survival knife"? And if it's a "survival knife", then surely every other g10 knife with a 3 inch blade could be called a survival knife, too. Right?

But anyway, the regular PM2 will still be made. A lightweight version would only be an addition. So you can rest easy knowing you'll still be able to slay those zombies in the apocalypse while you watch in vindication as those lightweight knives crumble around you. When they come running to you to save the world, politely lock them out of your house and tell them "I told you so". I'd like to say they'll learn their lesson, but there probably won't be much of them left after the zombies get to them.

I like beefy knives, I like folders, any Knife is better than no knife.

Just my idea.