2023 price increases?

[ladybug93]

Now, to be fair. Some of the price increase comes from increased wages, across the board. I.e. in most cases this includes our own wages.
While, admittedly, I’m nowhere near a 15% increase year over year, Seki prices are pretty much stagnant, relatively, if Ramzar’s numbers are to be trusted. And I have no doubt they are.

5% is twice what my pay increase was for the year, so it's not stagnant for all of us.

[aicolainen]

Supply costs are increasing, there is inflation, prices are going up most everywhere. It is what it is, as they say. Also, factory expansion isn't cheap, and has to get paid for somehow.

If the increased capacity does not itself pay the bills for the expansion, there’s a flaw in the plan

[ladybug93]

Supply costs are increasing, there is inflation, prices are going up most everywhere. It is what it is, as they say. Also, factory expansion isn't cheap, and has to get paid for somehow.

If the increased capacity does not itself pay the bills for the expansion, there’s a flaw in the plan

to be fair... building costs skyrocketed in the last couple of years. my church planned for a new building and then the most recent spike in material cost kicked in. that kind of thing is unpredictable and can be impossible to plan for.

[aicolainen]

Now, to be fair. Some of the price increase comes from increased wages, across the board. I.e. in most cases this includes our own wages.
While, admittedly, I’m nowhere near a 15% increase year over year, Seki prices are pretty much stagnant, relatively, if Ramzar’s numbers are to be trusted. And I have no doubt they are.

5% is twice what my pay increase was for the year, so it's not stagnant for all of us.

Well, that 2.5% difference would be a lot easier to swallow if everything else wasn’t up 15-20%

I’m pessimistic in a positive way. I believe it’s downhill from here, one way or another. All I’m hoping for is a soft landing and that we gain a better appreciation for the important stuff along the way. I like knives, no doubt, but I sometimes get embarrassed by how consumerist my mindset can become in certain situations. A reality check could do me (and probably a fair part of the western world) some good. Of course, too much of anything isn’t ideal, hence the importance of the soft landing in this story :)

[ladybug93]

I like knives, no doubt, but I sometimes get embarrassed by how consumerist my mindset can become in certain situations. A reality check could do me (and probably a fair part of the western world) some good.

no doubt. i feel the same. still don't like it though.

[varossdg]

I do not know much about a great many things. I have seen an absolute flood of Chinese made knives hit the market. Chinese OEMs are ripping out knives that are illegal for the local Chinese citizenry to carry themselves. Think about it...Ali express and wherever else you can by blatant rip-offs, are all from the same country producing all of the high end Reate, We, and whatever else. I am not saying there are no knife enthusiasts in China, I am positive there are. But really there has been some tom-foolery discovered by you tubers regarding steels used versus advertised. Remember Asher knives advertising S35VN, but it was discovered the OEM was using 440c and stamping S35VN on it. Asher knives is an American company, and so is all of the other crazy named companies on Amazon that are now hitting mainstream distributors. Petrified fish, free tiger, efengrow, honey badger to name a few. Sal himself has freely spoken of mixed emotions regarding Chinese OEMs.

But here we all are. We have all spent money at one point on a Spyderco knife, we may have not been able to afford. We know the faces behind the company. We have all heard the wonderful warranty use stories. We know where the building is. The inflation sucks, but we know what we are buying and who we are buying it from, and who will take care of us.

[skeeg11]

Chinese made Spyderco's are still Spydercos. Been very happy with the ones I have.

[rgc]

The inflation sucks, but we know what we are buying and who we are buying it from, and who will take care of us.

This!

[capt.carl]

That is true. I enjoy my civivis and have a lot of kizers that are nice (i do trust those companies compared to some of the others), but ill be sticking with spyderco for a lot of the reasons you mentioned. They have always been my favorite knife company. I am trying some of their chinese models and my astute has thoroughly impressed me. I wish it were American or taiwan made in better steels though!

[standy99]

Same as I said last year in this thread.
Watch everything in fishing gear go up every year (just good steel hooks are twice the price 3 years ago)
Not much has ever gone down in the 50 years I have been alive.

I knew after 5 Spyderco knives I didn’t and don’t need anymore but I still purchase. Do I need them no, would I buy more if they were cheaper probably not.

The inflation thing is not just a US and Australian thing it’s going to hurt everyone in the world for the next few years. Most will pay thousands more a year on their house repayments due to interest rate rises.

Two years sort of making knives myself and everything has gone up and is twice as hard to order consistently and odds of getting everything you need in one delivery without a few back orders is near impossible. Mates I fish with are tradies from plumbers to electricians and it’s everywhere.Fish aren’t easier to catch either

Mules are my thing and they are what keep my interest in Spyderco. 10+ steels and counting to test in a blade I can play with putting handles on. No one else is doing this.

[Cowboyfromhell]

I bought my first ever spyderco in April of 2019, a s30v pm2 from cutlery Shoppe for $115.00. This led me down the rabbit hole of the knife hobby and I currently have over 20 spydercos and 30 from other vendors. It was a fun ride these last 3 years but I am bowing out of this hobby. I won't pay the current prices for new knives. I will go back to the gun hobby which isn't cheap either. Do I want a new gun or a new knife.....hmmmm ill take the gun sir!

[ekastanis]

From January 2017 to January 2022, the street price of a PM2 (C81GP2) in the US went up 36% ($125.97 --> 171.50), and an Endura Delica (C11PBK) up 28% (68.97 --> 88.20). According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, from Jan 2017 to Jan 2022, inflationary price level increase (based on CPI) was 16%.

This means the PM2 saw a real price increase over 5 years of 17% and the Endura 10%. Annualized this is 3.2% for the PM2 and 1.9% for the Delica. Based on this and 2022 CPI increase ending up at 8-9%, I'll go out on a limb and predict the street price of a PM2 in Jan 2023 to be around $192 and the Delica around $97. I will guess even more wildly that the increases will be by way of increasing MSRP and not MAP percentage.

E: Seki example was Delica, not Endura

[vivi]

My first PM2 had a sticker price under $100.

[JRinFL]

My first manix 2 was $89.

[varossdg]

I know it, I feel ya'll. My dad bought his delica for $40 brand new back however many years ago. The benchmade bugout was $112 just a few years ago and now the OG blue is over $150. It's nuts, even Bear and Sons knives out if Alabama are over $100 for their folders. Case knives are going up.

But sencut knives are sending crates over that are being sold for $45 a piece. But who is at shotshow talking about We/Civivi/Sencut knives. A seemingly nice dude who knows about all you could about the knives off of a printout. Who is there with Spyderco...Eric.

It's just different.

[apollo]

My first manix 2 was $89.

Wow that is low when the first flat ground Manix 2 came out here i paid 127 euro. ( Without any sort of discounts and knowing at the time the Euro was worth slightly more then the dollar )
If i would buy one today also without any discounts it would be 207 euro.
I think this will increase to 225/230 euro range that will be allot for me but still worth it in my eyes since it is a solid build g10 with liners. (hope i am wrong but i fear for it compared with past years.)
But the price of the frn/frcp knives here in europe will get plain crazy. A standard endura is already 138 euro’s for example if those also go up it will be 150 euro’s for a vg-10 frn knife that is i fear to much to be successful compared to the competition in that price range.

[Mystery Flavor]

On one hand Spyderco wants us informed with the reveal catalogs, so we can be ready to open our wallets and buy new models. They don't want us to be caught off guard with lacking funds. They want us informed months in advance when it comes to giving them money.

On the other hand Spyderco does not want to help us know ahead of time about price increases, which would help us better plan ahead with our wallets. No warning is afforded to us in these cases. It appears very intentional how they don't seem to respond to questions asking about yearly price increases in past years. They seem to prefer to wait until the last minute to tell us the bad news when it comes to our money in this case.

It's a one way street of who spyderco is looking out for when it comes to money/profit. At least that's how it appears to me. I realize that nearly every company only cares about themselves at the end of the day. My frustration around this is how spyderco claims so loudly to have such high integrity, so I would assume they would be more transparent with things that relate to looking out for their customers ability to make more informed decisions. Foolish thinking, I guess.

[Mystery Flavor]

I've just about reached my ceiling for what I'm willing to pay for a Spyderco knife. I feel the same way about other manufacturers as well.

Same here. Take for example the Sage 5. Very nice Taichung knife, but not a hot seller, It's just a basic, run-of-the-mill S30V knife with G10/carbon laminate scales, not even full carbon. Was a bit pricey in 2021 at $165 MAP. 2022 MAP jacked the price up 15% to $189, but no improvement in materials, not even to S35VN. Clearly not worth it. What's Spyderco going to do in 2023, jack the price up another 15% to $217? I can't imagine anyone wanting to pay that much for a Sage 5.

Even the prices on basic Delicas / Endelas are getting hard to swallow. Great knives, but the price keeps climbing, no upgrades, still using VG-10, so the value proposition just gets lower and lower. For what Spyderco is charging for this series, they should at least be coming with S30V by now.

The person who started this thread posted the above reply on page 1, but it was blocked by spyderco's forum software until a mod released it today. Since most people probably would never have seen their 2nd post in this thread I'm bumping it so it will be part of the discussion. I realize spyderco claims the reason they don't allow users with very few posts to automatically appear is to help combat spam, but it severely ruins new members ability to engage in topics. I've been on dozens of other forums in the last 20 years and none of them have used such extreme measures to combat spam.

[ladybug93]

From January 2017 to January 2022, the street price of a PM2 (C81GP2) in the US went up 36% ($125.97 --> 171.50), and an Endura (C11PBK) up 28% (68.97 --> 88.20). According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, from Jan 2017 to Jan 2022, inflationary price level increase (based on CPI) was 16%.

This means the PM2 saw a real price increase over 5 years of 17% and the Endura 10%. Annualized this is 3.2% for the PM2 and 1.9% for the Endura. Based on this and 2022 CPI increase ending up at 8-9%, I'll go out on a limb and predict the street price of a PM2 in Jan 2023 to be around $192 and the Endura around $97. I will guess even more wildly that the increases will be by way of increasing MSRP and not MAP percentage.

these are the numbers people need to see.

My first manix 2 was $89.

my first manix was the m2lw in xhp from kc. it was only $90 at the time. of course i chose it over the $83 (at that time) bd1 m2lw. today, the bd1 m2lw is $115 at kc. that's a 39% increase in six years, thanks largely in part to what ramzar is pointing out.

i still think the manix is a good value, especially compared to the other knives in the lineup. i remember when the shaman came out and it cost about the same as a pm2, both of which were (and still are) substantially more expensive than a g10 manix. now, after just a few years, the standard shaman is $80 more expensive than when it was released and is $90 more than the superior manix.

[standy99]

On one hand Spyderco wants us informed with the reveal catalogs, so we can be ready to open our wallets and buy new models. They don't want us to be caught off guard with lacking funds. They want us informed months in advance when it comes to giving them money.

On the other hand Spyderco does not want to help us know ahead of time about price increases, which would help us better plan ahead with our wallets. No warning is afforded to us in these cases. It appears very intentional how they don't seem to respond to questions asking about yearly price increases in past years. They seem to prefer to wait until the last minute to tell us the bad news when it comes to our money in this case.

It's a one way street of who spyderco is looking out for when it comes to money/profit. At least that's how it appears to me. I realize that nearly every company only cares about themselves at the end of the day. My frustration around this is how spyderco claims so loudly to have such high integrity, so I would assume they would be more transparent with things that relate to looking out for their customers ability to make more informed decisions. Foolish thinking, I guess.

Stuff goes up….has been for years. This whole thread is talking about it so we all know.
CRK just put everything up by $50 and even includes those a year into a 2 year waiting list. (No one saw that coming)
Man, wish someone told me the dog food I buy was going up 33% a few months ago…..there is a knife a year just there…….