That's a four-ace draw if there ever was one.
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There will never be another era like this in the knife world.
Its indeed amazing only wish cliff stamp was still among us. He would have made it even more interesting and technical.Eli Chaps wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:38 pmCan I just take a second to point out how freaking awesome it is that we have Shawn Houston and Phil Wilson commenting on steel in a knife designed by Eric Glesser on the company forum founded by Sal Glesser?
That's a four-ace draw if there ever was one.
There will never be another era like this in the knife world.
apollo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:26 pmEvil D i respect you as the experienced long time member that you are but this time i can not follow what you are saying. Spyderco has not made an “overbuilt” model in years. The last one was probably the shempp tuff and that one has bin long discontinued. The second generation manix has also lost its overbuilt status compared to the original (Thinner blade lighter handle) and almost if not more then 50% that has come out of spyderco the last couple of years are more Lightweight with thinner blades then the designs they made in the past so enlighten me with some more details on what is youre vision of overbuilt please?Evil D wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:58 amWilliamMunny wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:52 am
I do think there is some place for an idiot proof design. There is more than enough demand for a knife that is chip resistant when you try to cut wire or hit a hard surface, the tip wont break when used like a screw driver, opens a box and is easy to sharpen with a $10 pull sharpener.
Oh don't get me wrong I love those overbuilt knives, but the trend has been far too one sided for far too long and it would just be nice to get more slicer oriented options.(Again no disrespect in any way)
Thx i see what you’re point now. And i must say you are correct. Some designs should be even better with a slightly thinner blade. For example in my eyes the pm2 could also use a slight thinning. Its an amazing cutter but i feel it could be even better that way.Evil D wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:56 pmapollo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:26 pmEvil D i respect you as the experienced long time member that you are but this time i can not follow what you are saying. Spyderco has not made an “overbuilt” model in years. The last one was probably the shempp tuff and that one has bin long discontinued. The second generation manix has also lost its overbuilt status compared to the original (Thinner blade lighter handle) and almost if not more then 50% that has come out of spyderco the last couple of years are more Lightweight with thinner blades then the designs they made in the past so enlighten me with some more details on what is youre vision of overbuilt please?Evil D wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:58 amWilliamMunny wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:52 am
I do think there is some place for an idiot proof design. There is more than enough demand for a knife that is chip resistant when you try to cut wire or hit a hard surface, the tip wont break when used like a screw driver, opens a box and is easy to sharpen with a $10 pull sharpener.
Oh don't get me wrong I love those overbuilt knives, but the trend has been far too one sided for far too long and it would just be nice to get more slicer oriented options.(Again no disrespect in any way)
I guess it's a matter of perspective?
A Shaman vs this Military for example:
And consider that the Military is still ~4mm blade stock (albeit with a healthy distal taper). Now imagine that Military starting out with 2-2.5mm blade stock and a grind that thin...it may not be the right knife for everything but it doesn't have to be and it would cut the right materials like a lightsaber.
Perhaps OVER built isn't a fair term, is there such a thing as medium built? I guess it's fair to say Spyderco do hit a reasonable middle ground, their knives slice better than some other brands I've owned. All I'm saying is, it would be nice to see some knives that have thinner blade stock and far thinner grinds. Knives like the Shaman definitely lean more towards being over built than being high performance slicers.
Even my MagnaCut mule honestly doesn't slice or carve as well as it could because it's so pretty behind the bevel. I assumed Spyderco grind mules this way as a kind of safety measure for those who do intend to beat the crap out of mules to really push the steel to test toughness and such, and it's a lot easier to grind a blade thinner than it is to make it thicker lol.
Another example, and I mean this with the shiniest of footprints, I have a ZT0303. It was a knife I wanted so bad when I first saw it. It's an absolute tank. I loved everything about it until the first time I tried to carve into a dried out hard wood branch and that's when I realized that it cuts like a brick. You could beat on it and pry with the tip and do all sorts of non-knife jobs with it, but ultimately it isn't very good at just being a cutting tool. We've just reached a place where pocket knives are expected to be good at doing so many things beyond cutting stuff that they're not as good as their primary function as they could be.
bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:43 am
Yeah, yeah, I know, somebody out there is cutting six miles of cardboard at work everyday and they need this knife and only they can actually appreciate this knife. All the enthusiasts are making their life harder and wasting a perfectly good knife.
I Like you’re comment since i am the same type of collector/user as you it seems , so thank you for posting this because i could not have said it better myself i got to frustrated by the words of a few people here that someone like me with a passion for Manixes (own and use 20 of them) should not be able to get that knife because i would use and cherish it and not test it to its limits.RustyIron wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:54 pmbearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:43 am
Yeah, yeah, I know, somebody out there is cutting six miles of cardboard at work everyday and they need this knife and only they can actually appreciate this knife. All the enthusiasts are making their life harder and wasting a perfectly good knife.
Although all my knives get carried and used, my chores will not be magically lessened on the day I get my new CPM 15V blade. I don't need that knife. The difference it makes on my life won't amount to a hill of beans. Maybe that makes ME a poser, an imposter, a contemptible wannabe.
Of all the people reading this, suppose there are actually ten who will be able to fully utilize the CPM 15V and all its heat treated goodness. Suppose Spyderco only made ten knives, one for each of those people who really need them. The costs of research, development, and gearing-up will be split up among those ten users, and each knife will cost them $5000.
Luckily, there are 500 people like me who want to buy this knife for reasons that are neither logical nor sensible. But we want it nevertheless, so Spyderco makes a bunch of these knifes. And the sheer volume of knives produced allows the costs to be amortized among more customers, bringing the cost down to a mere $157.
So considering the economics and the effects they have on product diversity and affordability, the Safe Queen Collectors are the true heroes of the world of knives.
Agreed. It’s a tricky situation. Every hobby has its elitists and they do fuel progress but in the end they also take away from the casual hobbiests who actually keep the hobby going.RustyIron wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:54 pmbearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:43 am
Yeah, yeah, I know, somebody out there is cutting six miles of cardboard at work everyday and they need this knife and only they can actually appreciate this knife. All the enthusiasts are making their life harder and wasting a perfectly good knife.
Although all my knives get carried and used, my chores will not be magically lessened on the day I get my new CPM 15V blade. I don't need that knife. The difference it makes on my life won't amount to a hill of beans. Maybe that makes ME a poser, an imposter, a contemptible wannabe.
Of all the people reading this, suppose there are actually ten who will be able to fully utilize the CPM 15V and all its heat treated goodness. Suppose Spyderco only made ten knives, one for each of those people who really need them. The costs of research, development, and gearing-up will be split up among those ten users, and each knife will cost them $5000.
Luckily, there are 500 people like me who want to buy this knife for reasons that are neither logical nor sensible. But we want it nevertheless, so Spyderco makes a bunch of these knifes. And the sheer volume of knives produced allows the costs to be amortized among more customers, bringing the cost down to a mere $157.
So considering the economics and the effects they have on product diversity and affordability, the Safe Queen Collectors are the true heroes of the world of knives.
sal wrote:Knife afi's are pretty far out, steel junky's more so, but "edge junky's" are just nuts. :p
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?
sal wrote:Knife afi's are pretty far out, steel junky's more so, but "edge junky's" are just nuts. :p
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?
Or carry a multi tool like millions of ordinary people do everyday.
sal wrote:Knife afi's are pretty far out, steel junky's more so, but "edge junky's" are just nuts. :p
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?
That's what makes me nervous that there may not be that many, and with that price it will only increase the interest more than there already is. Could this possibly get as crazy as the Crucarta Shaman release?? We'll have to wait and find out!bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:31 amThe price on this thing is crazy. I cannot imagine that anybody involved is actually making much. This knife is a gift from knife geeks to knife geeks. This is the most amazing thing I see here. I just gotta say thanks to all involved.
Fantastic! A bit different from the Africa Twin…
Don't be mad at the one weird / bad review... keep them coming and no one will want to buy one. hahaTkoK83Spy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:39 amThat's what makes me nervous that there may not be that many, and with that price it will only increase the interest more than there already is. Could this possibly get as crazy as the Crucarta Shaman release?? We'll have to wait and find out!bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:31 amThe price on this thing is crazy. I cannot imagine that anybody involved is actually making much. This knife is a gift from knife geeks to knife geeks. This is the most amazing thing I see here. I just gotta say thanks to all involved.
I’m gonna keep the AT. I put quite a few miles on it this year and I love it. I couldn’t imagine a more practical motorcycle for me. It’s the Swiss Army knife of motorcycles. Everything you could ask for but not exciting. It’s perfect.
sal wrote:Knife afi's are pretty far out, steel junky's more so, but "edge junky's" are just nuts. :p
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?