The Vivi Conundrum.

[Wartstein]

Said it in another thread: Since VG10 does not rust on me, even really humid outdoor use or carried iwb when running for hours I kind of HAVE a Stretch XL SE Salt already...

That said: If we're talking about the Para 4 / Millie 2: No second thought, just because for me a comp.lock can't match a backlock in outdoor use, or, as Lance / Surfgringo pointed out in another thread: Marine use (which I know almost nothing about).

Millie 1 with its great and perfect outdoor linerlock would make me think for a second. But not longer.
Stretch 2XL SE would still be my choice:

- Lighter, shorter and slimmer in pocket
- About the same blade length, but shorter closed package while presumably still offering a bit more actual grip area
- Thinner blade stock
- I prefer the long, straight edge section over the continous edge curve of the Millie
- Tip up option

[JD Spydo]

I would go the C-36 Military>> but only if they offered it in PE & SE both. The Millie in SE is a beast!!

And I would also like to see a Salt Version of the C-60 Ayoob model as well.

[vivi]

That said: If we're talking about the Para 4 / Millie 2:

[Wartstein]

That said: If we're talking about the Para 4 / Millie 2:

... says the guy who keeps on calling the Manix 2 "Mini Manix" :)
(No offense, my friend, I fully get why you call it like that and I should refrain from speaking my mind like this about the "Millie" 2 cause things can get heated pretty fast concerning that topic).

[p_atrick]

...the "Millie" 2 cause things can get heated pretty fast concerning that topic

The knife who must not be named.

[vivi]

That said: If we're talking about the Para 4 / Millie 2:

... says the guy who keeps on calling the Manix 2 "Mini Manix" :)
(No offense, my friend, I fully get why you call it like that and I should refrain from speaking my mind like this about the "Millie" 2 cause things can get heated pretty fast concerning that topic).

That's mostly tongue in cheek, but if you search "spyderco manix" this is the first result. That's the naming scheme that was originally used for the series.

The Military 2 is named the Military 2 and has never been named anything else. Quite different.

[Netherend]

Pm2 with LC200N made like the Caribbean would be a great EDC. We already know the comp lock works with that steel and it’s a great edc steel.

[RevMike]

Stretch 2 XL for sure. I'd like it equally well in LC200N or H2 but what I'd really like to see is a part serrated version to go along with the PE and SE varieties.

I love my Part Serrated Autonomy 2 but many places I go don't allow Autos and there just aren't any other PS Salt knives out there.

I already have the PS Stretch 2 XL and think that would probably be the easiest to add to the lineup.

[tangent]

The Stretch 2 XL is linerless and this gives me great hope that Spyderco is moving in the direction of making more FRN knives that are linerless (not just the salts). I've said it many times: if you are using a knife to do tasks that are appropriate for a folder, the liners really offer no advantage that I can see. If you need a more robust knife, I'd recommend a fixed blade. Some say they like the 'heft' of the linered knives, but it seems many more prefer the lighter weight of the linerless FRN.

Sal and Eric: Please give us a Magnacut Pac Salt!! This would be the ultimate knife for me (and I suspect a few others).

[MournfulCongregant]

Lil Matriarch/Matriarch 2!

[James Y]

The Stretch 2 XL is linerless and this gives me great hope that Spyderco is moving in the direction of making more FRN knives that are linerless (not just the salts). I've said it many times: if you are using a knife to do tasks that are appropriate for a folder, the liners really offer no advantage that I can see. If you need a more robust knife, I'd recommend a fixed blade. Some say they like the 'heft' of the linered knives, but it seems many more prefer the lighter weight of the linerless FRN.

Sal and Eric: Please give us a Magnacut Pac Salt!! This would be the ultimate knife for me (and I suspect a few others).

For me personally, the advantage of linerless knives has far more to do with having no steel liners that can trap moisture and gunk and allow hidden corrosion to form, than the little reduction in weight.

Jim

[tangent]

The Stretch 2 XL is linerless and this gives me great hope that Spyderco is moving in the direction of making more FRN knives that are linerless (not just the salts). I've said it many times: if you are using a knife to do tasks that are appropriate for a folder, the liners really offer no advantage that I can see. If you need a more robust knife, I'd recommend a fixed blade. Some say they like the 'heft' of the linered knives, but it seems many more prefer the lighter weight of the linerless FRN.

Sal and Eric: Please give us a Magnacut Pac Salt!! This would be the ultimate knife for me (and I suspect a few others).

For me personally, the advantage of linerless knives has far more to do with having no steel liners that can trap moisture and gunk and allow hidden corrosion to form, than the little reduction in weight.

Jim

Oh yes, I completely agree. I didn’t mention it, but the simplicity of the knife is a huge plus. No liners to trap moisture, no washers, etc. Super simple and plenty robust enough. If anyone doubts the robustness of the Pacific Salt, watch some of Lance Clinton’s fishing videos where he uses the knife… very convincing.

I totally agree… just mentioned weight since a lot of ‘pro liner’ people often talk about the ‘heft’ of the knife.

[James Y]

The Stretch 2 XL is linerless and this gives me great hope that Spyderco is moving in the direction of making more FRN knives that are linerless (not just the salts). I've said it many times: if you are using a knife to do tasks that are appropriate for a folder, the liners really offer no advantage that I can see. If you need a more robust knife, I'd recommend a fixed blade. Some say they like the 'heft' of the linered knives, but it seems many more prefer the lighter weight of the linerless FRN.

Sal and Eric: Please give us a Magnacut Pac Salt!! This would be the ultimate knife for me (and I suspect a few others).

For me personally, the advantage of linerless knives has far more to do with having no steel liners that can trap moisture and gunk and allow hidden corrosion to form, than the little reduction in weight.

Jim

Oh yes, I completely agree. I didn’t mention it, but the simplicity of the knife is a huge plus. No liners to trap moisture, no washers, etc. Super simple and plenty robust enough. If anyone doubts the robustness of the Pacific Salt, watch some of Lance Clinton’s fishing videos where he uses the knife… very convincing.

I totally agree… just mentioned weight since a lot of ‘pro liner’ people often talk about the ‘heft’ of the knife.

Agreed. The linerless knives are a lot tougher and more capable than they may look or feel. Some people compare them to toys, but toys they are most definitely not.



Jim

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Here is my magnacut Pacific Salt request.
1. The simpliest option is just to add a magnacut version to mix and keep everything else the same. Maybe the bright orange handle to make it different than the H1 and LC200N. But whatever color is fine.
2. My ideal knife would be this. I would want it to be built like the Siren with liner-less G10 handles with very aggressive texturing and extra jimping on the G10 near the blade(there is an older endura that had G10 scales so it's not too crazy) I would keep the standard titanium belt clip because the Siren's wireclip can become loose over time. Add then obviously add the magnacut full flat blade with the Pacific Salts tip shape. Color-wise i wouldn't mind the green or yellow but having something like the Siren's two tone would also be cool. Maybe black/yellow or black/green.

[tangent]

Here is my magnacut Pacific Salt request.
1. The simpliest option is just to add a magnacut version to mix and keep everything else the same. Maybe the bright orange handle to make it different than the H1 and LC200N. But whatever color is fine.
2. My ideal knife would be this. I would want it to be built like the Siren with liner-less G10 handles with very aggressive texturing and extra jimping on the G10 near the blade(there is an older endura that had G10 scales so it's not too crazy) I would keep the standard titanium belt clip because the Siren's wireclip can become loose over time. Add then obviously add the magnacut full flat blade with the Pacific Salts tip shape. Color-wise i wouldn't mind the green or yellow but having something like the Siren's two tone would also be cool. Maybe black/yellow or black/green.

Pac Salt in bright orange with Magnacut would be freaking awesome...

[TheGiant80]

Here is my magnacut Pacific Salt request.
1. The simpliest option is just to add a magnacut version to mix and keep everything else the same. Maybe the bright orange handle to make it different than the H1 and LC200N. But whatever color is fine.
2. My ideal knife would be this. I would want it to be built like the Siren with liner-less G10 handles with very aggressive texturing and extra jimping on the G10 near the blade(there is an older endura that had G10 scales so it's not too crazy) I would keep the standard titanium belt clip because the Siren's wireclip can become loose over time. Add then obviously add the magnacut full flat blade with the Pacific Salts tip shape. Color-wise i wouldn't mind the green or yellow but having something like the Siren's two tone would also be cool. Maybe black/yellow or black/green.

Pac Salt in bright orange with Magnacut would be freaking awesome...

I would buy PE and SE in this for sure!

EDIT: My wife has an H1 Spyderhawk with an orange handle and you can see that color from space. I'm so down with a MagnaCut Pac Salt with those scales.

[vivi]

It's fair to say Vivi is a fan of salt knives (as am I). I've seen him discuss the potential for a salty Military model as well as a salt Stretch 2 XL. Both would be great options and since I'm a fan of the hypothetical I submit to you forum users, if you had to choose for just one of these to get made, which would it be? And just for fun let's say it MUST be fully serrated.

Salt Millie or S2XL? Which steel and grind would you like? Handle scale material and colour? Any other details worth discussing?

I look forward to your responses!

Must be serrated? I'd stick with the Pacific.

Between the two I'd rather have a Military Salt.

My history with Spyderco folders has been: Do I carry a Pacific Salt? Or do I carry a larger design I prefer that can rust?

The Endura handle is not my favorite. Never has been, never will. It isn't bad by any means, I quite like both gen 3 and gen 4 Endura handles, but there are a lot of knives Spyderco makes that feel better in my grip.

The Endura / Pacific is also the smallest knife in my rotation. I prefer Military / Police / Resilience sized folders.

Taking things further, while I adore the linerless lightweight construction, there is no argument that linered G10 or Micarta scaled knives have a much more premium feel.

I love the Stretch XL. I love its weight to size ratio. But we already have full sized, sub 3oz salt folders in the LC Pacific. The Stretch XL Salt would offer a bit more edge and slightly better ergonomics, but otherwise would be very similar to current offerings.

What I want is to no longer have to decide between carrying a rust proof knife, and carrying a larger, more premium feeling knife that can rust.

For that reason I push for a Military, Police, Native Chief or Manix XL Salt.

I know it would be expensive, especially with liners. But if the Caribbean can be made, I would imagine a Military 2 Salt could be made.

I want a premium feeling full sized knife that's rust proof. Not either or.

Give me a yellow Military Salt 2 with a stiff detent like the Yojumbo, in H1 with a high hollow or Magnacut / LC200N FFG. I'll dye it green like my Pacific Salt 2 and carry it every day.

Funny reading this post back over now.

[VipeX]

It is, bigger knives are making a come back!

TheGiant hasn't logged in since August 2023, I hope all is well...

[WilliamMunny]

It's fair to say Vivi is a fan of salt knives (as am I). I've seen him discuss the potential for a salty Military model as well as a salt Stretch 2 XL. Both would be great options and since I'm a fan of the hypothetical I submit to you forum users, if you had to choose for just one of these to get made, which would it be? And just for fun let's say it MUST be fully serrated.

Salt Millie or S2XL? Which steel and grind would you like? Handle scale material and colour? Any other details worth discussing?

I look forward to your responses!

Must be serrated? I'd stick with the Pacific.

Between the two I'd rather have a Military Salt.

My history with Spyderco folders has been: Do I carry a Pacific Salt? Or do I carry a larger design I prefer that can rust?

The Endura handle is not my favorite. Never has been, never will. It isn't bad by any means, I quite like both gen 3 and gen 4 Endura handles, but there are a lot of knives Spyderco makes that feel better in my grip.

The Endura / Pacific is also the smallest knife in my rotation. I prefer Military / Police / Resilience sized folders.

Taking things further, while I adore the linerless lightweight construction, there is no argument that linered G10 or Micarta scaled knives have a much more premium feel.

I love the Stretch XL. I love its weight to size ratio. But we already have full sized, sub 3oz salt folders in the LC Pacific. The Stretch XL Salt would offer a bit more edge and slightly better ergonomics, but otherwise would be very similar to current offerings.

What I want is to no longer have to decide between carrying a rust proof knife, and carrying a larger, more premium feeling knife that can rust.

For that reason I push for a Military, Police, Native Chief or Manix XL Salt.

I know it would be expensive, especially with liners. But if the Caribbean can be made, I would imagine a Military 2 Salt could be made.

I want a premium feeling full sized knife that's rust proof. Not either or.

Give me a yellow Military Salt 2 with a stiff detent like the Yojumbo, in H1 with a high hollow or Magnacut / LC200N FFG. I'll dye it green like my Pacific Salt 2 and carry it every day.

Funny reading this post back over now.

Sal listens and makes dreams come true. haha

[vivi]

It's fair to say Vivi is a fan of salt knives (as am I). I've seen him discuss the potential for a salty Military model as well as a salt Stretch 2 XL. Both would be great options and since I'm a fan of the hypothetical I submit to you forum users, if you had to choose for just one of these to get made, which would it be? And just for fun let's say it MUST be fully serrated.

Salt Millie or S2XL? Which steel and grind would you like? Handle scale material and colour? Any other details worth discussing?

I look forward to your responses!

Must be serrated? I'd stick with the Pacific.

Between the two I'd rather have a Military Salt.

My history with Spyderco folders has been: Do I carry a Pacific Salt? Or do I carry a larger design I prefer that can rust?

The Endura handle is not my favorite. Never has been, never will. It isn't bad by any means, I quite like both gen 3 and gen 4 Endura handles, but there are a lot of knives Spyderco makes that feel better in my grip.

The Endura / Pacific is also the smallest knife in my rotation. I prefer Military / Police / Resilience sized folders.

Taking things further, while I adore the linerless lightweight construction, there is no argument that linered G10 or Micarta scaled knives have a much more premium feel.

I love the Stretch XL. I love its weight to size ratio. But we already have full sized, sub 3oz salt folders in the LC Pacific. The Stretch XL Salt would offer a bit more edge and slightly better ergonomics, but otherwise would be very similar to current offerings.

What I want is to no longer have to decide between carrying a rust proof knife, and carrying a larger, more premium feeling knife that can rust.

For that reason I push for a Military, Police, Native Chief or Manix XL Salt.

I know it would be expensive, especially with liners. But if the Caribbean can be made, I would imagine a Military 2 Salt could be made.

I want a premium feeling full sized knife that's rust proof. Not either or.

Give me a yellow Military Salt 2 with a stiff detent like the Yojumbo, in H1 with a high hollow or Magnacut / LC200N FFG. I'll dye it green like my Pacific Salt 2 and carry it every day.

Funny reading this post back over now.

Sal listens and makes dreams come true. haha

credit where credit is due. when I wrote that I couldn't imagine that in 2025 I'd have a choice between a Military 2 Salt or Manix XL Salt.

The Manix XL in particular has really gotten a lot of love the past few years with all the different variations. It's cool to see since its early life was nearly barren of sprints. I think there was a decade between the launch and the M4 sprint runs. In those years there was an S30V glow handle sprint for a forum, and an S90V / CF run I wish I had picked up. In the past few years we've had 4V, Cruwear, Spy27, Magnacut.....it's great.