Magnacut

[Matus]

Guys, Sal mentioned that there were delays and that the N5 is coming in a month or 2. Yes, I would have expected it to come a lot sooner, but it is unlikely that Spyderco is going to lay bare all the details of their process and point a finger where the delay came from. I am sorry to say it, but all we can do is wait.

[RamZar]

July 1, 2022:

Please try to keep in mind that this is a new blade steel for which a lot of research and Real World Testing (RWT) will be needed before we, as makers, can get it dialed in. We're working closely with Shawn on heat treating and doing a lot of in-house testing. If there is a knife company making MagnCut model that you would like, I would suggest buying it and using the **** out of it. Then share what you learn.

sal

On June 30, 2022:

Hi Senate,

Yes, you are correct, it is still in-the-works. Had to sort some lock issues on material. It should be out in the next month or so.

sal

Sounds like we should see the Native5 MagnaCut by the end of August 2022. However, it seems like after the Mule Team MagnaCut was shipped in early December 2021 there has been a lot more testing and experimentation (different heat treats and potential warping issues) at Spyderco for MagnaCut. If so, how are the MagnaCut steels in the Mule Team and Native5 different? Also, what are the “lock issues”?

[JRinFL]

If I am remembering correctly, Sal said it was something to do with the lock bar and not the steel. Maybe I can find the post again?

Found it:

Hi Senate,

Yes, you are correct, it is still in-the-works. Had to sort some lock issues on material. It should be out in the next month or so.

sal

Ugh, too late as usual.

[SAF-1]

Military 2 in Magnacut Plz ??? I think it would Sell like Hot Cakes

[sethwm]

I’d love to see MC become the default super steel variant, for example for the production models in S30v or S35vn.

[Barmoley]

I’d love to see MC become the default super steel variant, for example for the production models in S30v or S35vn.

Totally agree and hope this happens too.

[Deadboxhero]

Be patient, we want to get the most out of this steel, not just the name of it.

July 1, 2022:

Please try to keep in mind that this is a new blade steel for which a lot of research and Real World Testing (RWT) will be needed before we, as makers, can get it dialed in. We're working closely with Shawn on heat treating and doing a lot of in-house testing. If there is a knife company making MagnCut model that you would like, I would suggest buying it and using the **** out of it. Then share what you learn.

sal

On June 30, 2022:

Hi Senate,

Yes, you are correct, it is still in-the-works. Had to sort some lock issues on material. It should be out in the next month or so.

sal

Sounds like we should see the Native5 MagnaCut by the end of August 2022. However, it seems like after the Mule Team MagnaCut was shipped in early December 2021 there has been a lot more testing and experimentation (different heat treats and potential warping issues) at Spyderco for MagnaCut. If so, how are the MagnaCut steels in the Mule Team and Native5 different? Also, what are the “lock issues”?

[Matus]

I am going to hope that it is not going to take years to large volume manufactures to figure out how to get a decent HT on Magnacut. We know (have seen) that custom HT will always be one step ahead as it allows for complexity that might be hard to implement in a serial production and at reasonable cost, but to nail the HT to that 90% performance level that we are used to see and achieve process stability should still not be quite the level of rocket science. My understanding is that Magnacut does not require additional process steps or HT-tooling to other modern high alloy steels.

[Bemo]

I think Larrin's video on the heat treat options and accompanying article on his website indicated lots of options but it also seemed the basic heat trip was fairly simple. But Matus I think you are correct in us Spydie afi's aren't looking for a basic heat treat, we want that 90% level or what I'd call a semi-custom heat treat.

[JSumm]

Spyderco does such a great job with even with what some may call the "Basic" Steels. So I hope they take their time to get it right. If they can nail it, who knows, maybe it will one day become a base steel option in their lineup.

[Matus]

Well, my comment was arguably a bit snarky and I apologize for that. However there is apparently a lot going on on the technical level to get the best possible process that can be achieved in a serial production. I am looking forward to see what performance will Spyderco manage to get out of this steel in the N5.

[JSumm]

Have you guys seen CPM's datasheet? It's interesting. I'm curious what the HRC they are shooting for to obtain certain qualities. More overall toughness or more edge stability. Honestly, looking at the toughness chart, not sure you can go wrong either way.

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[Matus]

Just a side note, but I was not aware that 20CV is that much better when it comes to the corrosion resistance as the S35VN and S45VN.

[JSumm]

Yeah 20CV and its equivalents have always ranked really high in corrosion resistance. Personally, I have never gotten any to stain to develop or any rust spots. One of the redeeming qualities I guess of those steels. Not the toughest, but not terrible either. Great wear resistance as well. Pretty good EDC steels unless you value toughness and edge stability more with the corrosion resistance trade off. That was until Magnacut at least.

[phaust]

I get spots on my 20cv wharncliffe Delica with some regularity now that it's summer. It definitely does better than the S30v and s35vn I have though (I don't have any s45vn), with less rust and much smaller individual spots. It also seems to form on the part of the blade in the handle (when closed), while the others frequently additionally show a lot by the thumb hole.

With the Magnacut Dekas on sale for $101 I just grabbed one of those two see how retention and rust resistance is.


Edit: Current pic of the 20cv rust showing location, size, and amount. Pardon the smudges; I use tuf cloth, and it leaves a bit of residue.

[harpo1]

I get spots on my 20cv wharncliffe Delica with some regularity now that it's summer. It definitely does better than the S30v and s35vn I have though (I don't have any s45vn), with less rust and much smaller individual spots. It also seems to form on the part of the blade in the handle (when closed), while the others frequently additionally show a lot by the thumb hole.

With the Magnacut Dekas on sale for $101 I just grabbed one of those two see how retention and rust resistance is.


Edit: Current pic of the 20cv rust showing location, size, and amount. Pardon the smudges; I use tuf cloth, and it leaves a bit of residue.

Where did you find them for $101?

[JSumm]

Well dang! That is impressive. It by no means is corrosion proof, just very corrosion resistant. Pretty high with the common spydie steels we see minus LC200N and H1.

[SpyderForLyfe]

I'll be happy to just see my usual suspects (Manix lineup, Shaman) come out in S45VN with that GORGEOUS brushed finish that the stock PM2 has.

[phaust]

I get spots on my 20cv wharncliffe Delica with some regularity now that it's summer. It definitely does better than the S30v and s35vn I have though (I don't have any s45vn), with less rust and much smaller individual spots. It also seems to form on the part of the blade in the handle (when closed), while the others frequently additionally show a lot by the thumb hole.

With the Magnacut Dekas on sale for $101 I just grabbed one of those two see how retention and rust resistance is.


Edit: Current pic of the 20cv rust showing location, size, and amount. Pardon the smudges; I use tuf cloth, and it leaves a bit of residue.

Where did you find them for $101?

SMKW had them on sale. I think they're out, but it seems like that brand is going on sale a lot of places now.