Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
What’s wrong with information being parroted when it comes from a well respected, accurate source? If I’m going to buy a folder with with .14” blade stock, it’s because I’m going to beat the crap out of it. S90V is not a tough steel by any means.
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Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
The only thing wrong with it is it builds preconceived notions of things that may occur in situations that are unlikely to be encountered by most people.
Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
I caved and got in below the wire.
Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
That’s definitely fair. I work in a warehouse and cut tons of cardboard, poly wrap, and polyester/nylon strapping on a daily basis, so my views could be skewed. I imagine with good geometry a lot of people would be hard pressed to notice the difference between 420hc and s90v under a typical use case scenario.
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Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
Or you can look at it this way: thick blade stock is making up for S90V's major weakness. I value edge stability over toughness, and I would guess many other knife users do as well, except they mistakenly conflate the two properties.fixall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:48 pmWhat’s wrong with information being parroted when it comes from a well respected, accurate source? If I’m going to buy a folder with with .14” blade stock, it’s because I’m going to beat the crap out of it. S90V is not a tough steel by any means.
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Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
Oh, I get that…. But edge geometry tops steels 100 times out of 100. I would much rather have a thin blade with a tough steel and awesome edge stability (like 4v/Cruwear/M4 for high speed or tool steels, and MagnaCut for stainless), over a thick blade with a high edge retention steel and lackluster toughness and edge stability.metaphoricalsimile wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:38 pmOr you can look at it this way: thick blade stock is making up for S90V's major weakness. I value edge stability over toughness, and I would guess many other knife users do as well, except they mistakenly conflate the two properties.fixall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:48 pmWhat’s wrong with information being parroted when it comes from a well respected, accurate source? If I’m going to buy a folder with with .14” blade stock, it’s because I’m going to beat the crap out of it. S90V is not a tough steel by any means.
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Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
Held strong and passed. Not a huge Shaman fan and already have the M4-Carta version. Not a huge brown burlap fan either. Or S90V for that matter. Black burlap and Cruwear may have pushed me over the edge. Wallet lives to fight another day.
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Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
Thanks for your comment, fixall. That's exactly what I meant. I think people would notice differences because they read that they should in a lot of cases, myself included.
Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23
I would like to offer a different point of view - Micarta is not going to be any cheaper than G10 to make / shape, S90V is not that much more expensive to buy / grind. The result is a not particularly large difference in price to the standard model.
One could turn the argument around and say - given the above, the Shaman could be upgraded from S30V to a more higher end steel for a low price increase and offer more (perceived, value in B2C business is nearly always just a perceived one) value to the customer.
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Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
The Micarta looks great.
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- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
I caved. For what it's worth, I have hard use experience with Spyderco 's S90V and it held up fine. It's not very chippy. Noticeably different than s110v.
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Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
Dr. Thomas also goes on to say, in another article, “ As with high alloy tool steels, the amount of vanadium can be a shortcut to predicting the general level of wear resistance and edge retention. CPM-S90V is my favorite in the high edge retention category because of its decent toughness.”fixall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:48 pmWhat’s wrong with information being parroted when it comes from a well respected, accurate source? If I’m going to buy a folder with with .14” blade stock, it’s because I’m going to beat the crap out of it. S90V is not a tough steel by any means.
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Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
s90v has held up pretty well on the CF version. Still the prettiest handles on a shaman to date...
EDC Rotation: PITS, Damasteel Urban, Shaman, Ikuchi, Amalgam, CruCarta Shaman, Sage 5 LW, Serrated Caribbean Sheepsfoot CQI, XHP Shaman, M4/Micarta Shaman, 15v Shaman
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Fixed Blades: Proficient, Magnacut Mule
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Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
I've used spyderco's s90v for over a year now and it's never chipped. After accidentally hitting a metal table corner, it rolled. So it seems to have ample toughness for the heat treat to prevent chipping. However, a higher HRC tool steel would likely not have rolled in the 1st place. Corrosion resistance is adequate -- similar to s30v. Edge retention is fantastic. When reaching for a knife with extremely stainless, I go for s110v or m390. Lc200n is a great tough stainless steel but rolls too easily for my typical use. For a general use stainless, s90v is my go to. Really glad to see spyderco using more s90v -- especially since they do such a fantastic job with it. This knife is going to be a long term user for me.
Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
Maybe a natural burlap with Cruwear?
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Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
This is a little off-topic, but does Spyderco have a regular production knife in S90V? Their website lists several knives that are no longer in production (Drunken, Paysan) and a sprint. It also mentions the fluted CF Native. Is that still in production? All this talk of S90V has me interested.
Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
The drunken is still in production. So is the fluted CF native.p_atrick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:58 amThis is a little off-topic, but does Spyderco have a regular production knife in S90V? Their website lists several knives that are no longer in production (Drunken, Paysan) and a sprint. It also mentions the fluted CF Native. Is that still in production? All this talk of S90V has me interested.
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Re: Mystery Knife Center exclusive coming 6/23 (S90V/burlap micarta Shaman)
They have some S90V distributer exclusives that seem to come back in stock every once in a while. BHQ isn't the only place that has them, but the S90V Para 3 LW and Native 5 are both sold there. I love my Para3LW.p_atrick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:58 amThis is a little off-topic, but does Spyderco have a regular production knife in S90V? Their website lists several knives that are no longer in production (Drunken, Paysan) and a sprint. It also mentions the fluted CF Native. Is that still in production? All this talk of S90V has me interested.
Edit: from a quick google search they do seem to be Out of Stock everywhere that I can find.