Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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Matus wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:47 pm
Thin blade stock is not the way to thin cutting edge - not with a flat grind. It's a matter of blade (cutting edge) stability. My Chaparral has baiscally the same thickness behind the edge as most other Spydercos I have used. It cuts OK.
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aicolainen wrote:
Matus wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:47 pm
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I won’t argue with your reasoning, I’m don’t have that level of experience, but anecdotally from my own experience, thin bladestocks seem to slice better on average.
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It is true that the Chaparral is not particularly thin behind the edge, as far as I can tell - I also don´t have that level of experience, but I thinned my Chap out a bit behind the edge over time in order to enjoy its full potential.

But imo of course with a given thickness behind the edge, a given edge angle and a given blade height in a full flat grind a thinner stock blade has to slice better just by geometry than a thicker one? At least when it comes to cutting through matter with larger diameter?

I mean my Chap can "cut" (or be pressed) through stuff (lets say like hard cheese or something) even when the actual edge is really dull, just because the entire blade is so thin and has a steep geometry overall-
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- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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TkoK83Spy wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:32 pm
aicolainen wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:11 pm
And to add, just about, if not all, Fällkniven knives are convex and Chris Reeve, though the CRK convex isn’t very well executed in my limited experience with one small sebenza.
My DBK Bushcrafter OTOH was silly sharp from the box, so I have no doubt a human was involved in that process :)
You're not alone. As much as I love all 4 of my CRK's...it's certainly NOT because of the factory grind. I've found all of them to cut like a turd out of the box. After a little love and a reprofile, their top notch! (Zaan is next to get ground down when I find the time)

Honestly, it's why I find it easy to move the CRK's on...they are quality tools, but mediocre at their defined job (cutting)...

I appreciate the engineering and craftsmanship but I'm not nearly as enamored by the novelty value.
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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Wartstein wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:33 pm
(lets say like hard cheese or something)
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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Bloke wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:31 pm
Wartstein wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:33 pm
(lets say like hard cheese or something)
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I should have kept count, but I am pretty sure my number of "blokings" could come close to ten or so yet - actually an honor! :releived
Actually I was in Milwaukee as part of a students exchange in the 80ies (and just for two weeks) - I can recall that the folks there liked to wear (foam)- "cheese" on their heads at sporting events :beaming-face
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-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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CRK knives have a concave (hollow) grind, not convex ...
... I like weird :bug-red :bug-white-red :bug-white ...
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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Matus wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:02 am
CRK knives have a concave (hollow) grind, not convex ...
Hollow grind with a convexed edge I believe.
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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skeeg11 wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:30 am
Matus wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:02 am
CRK knives have a concave (hollow) grind, not convex ...
Hollow grind with a convexed edge I believe.
This is correct. Hollow primary grind, convex secondary grind.
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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Wartstein wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:44 am
I should have kept count, but I am pretty sure my number of "blokings" could come close to ten or so yet - actually an honor! :releived
Actually I was in Milwaukee as part of a students exchange in the 80ies (and just for two weeks) - I can recall that the folks there liked to wear (foam)- "cheese" on their heads at sporting events :beaming-face
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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skeeg11 wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:30 am
Matus wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:02 am
CRK knives have a concave (hollow) grind, not convex ...
Hollow grind with a convexed edge I believe.
Every single edge one puts on a knife by hand and not sharpening system will be up to certain extend convex. The effects of this are minor IMO unless one goes over the top and the angle at the apex is too obtuse, or the edge bevel gets blended over larger part of the blade width (not the case of CRK). To me that is simply the way knives are sharpened, not really a 'convex grind'.
... I like weird :bug-red :bug-white-red :bug-white ...
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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I want a chaparral in 52100
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Holland wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:39 am
I want a chaparral in 52100

52100 Micarta Chap would be cool. Or Cru-carta Chap. I'm in for either.
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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Matus wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:32 am
skeeg11 wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:30 am
Matus wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:02 am
CRK knives have a concave (hollow) grind, not convex ...
Hollow grind with a convexed edge I believe.
Every single edge one puts on a knife by hand and not sharpening system will be up to certain extend convex. The effects of this are minor IMO unless one goes over the top and the angle at the apex is too obtuse, or the edge bevel gets blended over larger part of the blade width (not the case of CRK). To me that is simply the way knives are sharpened, not really a 'convex grind'.
Actually that convexed bevel is something that CRK takes particular pride in.
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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skeeg11 wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:04 pm
Actually that convexed bevel is something that CRK takes particular pride in.
It will be gone / changed after first sharpening. I would not put too much value into that.
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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A Chap or Ikuchi would be fun.
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steelcity16 wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:04 am
Holland wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:39 am
I want a chaparral in 52100

52100 Micarta Chap would be cool. Or Cru-carta Chap. I'm in for either.

Me too.
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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I'd like to echo the support for very thinly ground HHG. I've started a thread on this before. I think the GB is one of the best blades to come out of any Spyderco factory, Im just not a fan of the rest of the knife. Spyderco has proven it can do it pretty much perfectly with the GB/GB2. (at least as far as the blade is concerned). More of the same please in the larger knife line up. I'm don't think I'm ever going to chip a knife through abuse, if I find something that might worry such a knife I'll swap to a more robust FFG knife. I am attracted to the Sebenza. But with the exchange rate here, they are just so expensive right now.
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Matus wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:14 pm
skeeg11 wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:04 pm
Actually that convexed bevel is something that CRK takes particular pride in.
It will be gone / changed after first sharpening.
I did the same thing. :winking-tongue
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amateur blacksmith wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:54 pm
I'd like to echo the support for very thinly ground HHG. I've started a thread on this before. I think the GB is one of the best blades to come out of any Spyderco factory, Im just not a fan of the rest of the knife. Spyderco has proven it can do it pretty much perfectly with the GB/GB2. (at least as far as the blade is concerned). More of the same please in the larger knife line up. I'm don't think I'm ever going to chip a knife through abuse, if I find something that might worry such a knife I'll swap to a more robust FFG knife. I am attracted to the Sebenza. But with the exchange rate here, they are just so expensive right now.
Before I got one, I thought it was the best looking blade Spyderco produced. After using it for just a bit, I can say it is my favorite Spyderco blade to use. I still prefer the edge profile on a leaf shape or the slight belly at the end of something like the Delica/Endura. That Hollow Grind is the best of both worlds being robust yet thin behind the edge. And the look!
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Re: Is there any interest in a THIN tool steel knife?

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A steel like CPM M4 in a UKPK would catch my interest. To be honest though, in my normal use stainless just works better so I'm not sure how much I'd carry one. My S110V and LC200N UKPKs are some of my most carried knives at this point, be it on their own or as a second knife. I'm not sure a tool steel UKPK would get nearly as much use by me.
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I must agree, UKPK is not a model that I would be particularly interested in a non-stainless blade.
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