C-60 Ayoob Campaign: No I Won't Shut Up

[JD Spydo]

Saber grind I believe.

I'm wondering if the slight change in the grind would even make 15 cents worth of difference performance-wise. Considering the high performing advantages that Cruwear steel has proven to be? Or if this is going to be a deal breaker for some folks?

I do find this somewhat curious however.

It is such a shallow blade, I don't think it would make a big difference.

Yeah that's kind of what I'm thinking too. It certainly isn't going to factor into my wanting two PE and two SE units ASAP.

I am curious however what determining factors made Sal decide on Cruwear blades for this model? And did this blade steel selection also play into that decision on a slightly different grind?

[ladybug93]

are we there yet?

[JD Spydo]

are we there yet?

It's June 07, 2022 and just past noon my time and I'm not aware of any dealer having one in stock as of yet. Unless it happened in the past couple of hours. I just hope we get them before July 04th at this point.

If this is a marketing ploy then it's a most interesting chess move to be sure. Because there sure are a lot of folks wanting one now.

[sal]

Hi JD,

Whenever we make a Sprint run of an earlier model, we always change something so as not to affect the value of earlier models. I selected the changes to be made to the model based on what I felt would make the model desirable to our customers.

sal

[ladybug93]

are we there yet?

It's June 07, 2022 and just past noon my time and I'm not aware of any dealer having one in stock as of yet. Unless it happened in the past couple of hours. I just hope we get them before July 04th at this point.

If this is a marketing ploy then it's a most interesting chess move to be sure. Because there sure are a lot of folks wanting one now.

it would be really great if it was made available to forum members first, but i understand that's an impossibility. i just hate the clamoring for new models against bots so that people can mark them up 200% on ebay before they even have them in hand. i suppose fighting against bots is just good practice for the impending war against ai robots though. hopefully, i'll get a knife that will better prepare me for said battles in the process.

Hi JD,

Whenever we make a Sprint run of an earlier model, we always change something so as not to affect the value of earlier models. I selected the changes to be made to the model based on what I felt would make the model desirable to our customers.

sal

it's definitely desirable. a little pricier than i hoped for, but it seems less than what people expected, so i'm not complaining about that. hopefully i can get one in hand and finally experience this great model for myself. i haven't seen anything about purchase limits yet. i'm guessing i'm going to love this model and will probably pick up a few to give my sons as well. do you know if there are purchase limits, or are those set by individual vendors that carry the sprint? thanks!

[ovgcguy]

Ive missed a week of this thread! Shame on me. At this point I have only seen the 1 stock picture, but i notice the serrations in the demo pic are significantly less deep than my original. The classic is indeed extremely 'toothy'. The cutting action may be a little smoother on the new ones if that's the case? Or maybe it was just the one for stock images was a tad shallow?
From a purely aesthetic perspective I prefer the extreme toothyness because it looks #&@*ing mean (which is the whole purpose of this knife). Still does the job, I'm sure.

Im stoked about the tip up carry option. Great call there sal and team.

For a second I got magnacut and cruwear confused and my excitement went from 15 back to 10.

Looking forward to a serrated so I can finally carry this tip up!

[JD Spydo]

Ive missed a week of this thread! Shame on me. At this point I have only seen the 1 stock picture, but i notice the serrations in the demo pic are significantly less deep than my original. The classic is indeed extremely 'toothy'. The cutting action may be a little smoother on the new ones if that's the case? Or maybe it was just the one for stock images was a tad shallow?

Well thanks for calling this different serration pattern on the new C-60 Sprint Run to our attention because I sure didn't notice it the first time I saw it. Sometimes it's hard to notice those details on photos.

I'm really surprised that DAVID didn't notice that right away the way he pays strict attention to detail on serrated models.

However a more shallow serration pattern isn't necessarily a bad thing>> actually it can be a really good feature. Because my older AUS-8, full SE version of the Catcherman model has a more low profile set of serrations and it's one of my all time favorite full SE Spyders. I've even noticed a superior performance on that older Catcherman model in particular on food prep.

[Matus]

More shallow serration pattern may mean many different things. Thinner blade at the edge, different radius of the hollow grind, different angle of the serrations, different shape of the serrations, etc. At least those are the parameters I can think of.

[JD Spydo]

More shallow serration pattern may mean many different things. Thinner blade at the edge, different radius of the hollow grind, different angle of the serrations, different shape of the serrations, etc. At least those are the parameters I can think of.

Those are going points to consider "Matus". And for sure a more shallow serration pattern doesn't necessarily mean less performance ability. Because I've done a lot of really demanding work with my older AUS-8 Catcherman model.

Actually this could potentially be a really nice improvement. It also depends on the serrated pattern itself. The more I use the more rounded/wavy serration patterns the more I like them. However the C-60 model isn't designed for food uses. But that doesn't mean that it couldn't be used for those types of jobs.

But again this could be a good feature and we'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out.

[Matus]

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Actually this could potentially be a really nice improvement. It also depends on the serrated pattern itself. The more I use the more rounded/wavy serration patterns the more I like them.
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I can only agree. After I have put my H1 Pacific Salt 2 through thinning/regrinding ****, the serrations are less pointy and the knife cuts like a dream - in carboard it challenges my freshly thinned & convexed PM2. I did not try it with food as I do not intend to use it for that (and don't expect it to do great with apples or such)

[Evil D]

More shallow serration pattern may mean many different things. Thinner blade at the edge, different radius of the hollow grind, different angle of the serrations, different shape of the serrations, etc. At least those are the parameters I can think of.

I'm thinking it's some combination of all of that, and/or due to user feedback regarding deeper serrations, maybe something to do with difficulty in grinding them into Cruwear, or maybe even just a simple change in how the wheel itself is made. It may not be an intentional change at all, or could be all of that. Only Sal and the maker can say.

[skeeg11]

Actual serrations may differ from proto or picture if computer generated. This was very much the case with my serrated UKPK Salt.

[Evil D]

Actual serrations may differ from proto or picture if computer generated. This was very much the case with my serrated UKPK Salt.

They have definitely Photoshopped some of them, but this one looks legit based on videos.

[wrdwrght]

I certainly hope that Photoshopping has not been used in the Reveal’s image.

While I have numerous SE Spydies and respect what they do, their edge-treatment is not my favorite. PE is.

As shown, the less-jagged Ayoob will be more about its negative blade-angle than its toothiness. I just might get it instead.

[jwbnyc]

Is it time for the pros and cons of serrations vs plain edge for self defense conversation yet?

Serrations, very powerful cutting against hanging up in clothing.. Plain edge, not hanging up in clothing, possibly less penetration.. What’s the consensus?

This would not be a casual EDC for me. It’s a pretty dedicated SD design.

[ladybug93]

Actual serrations may differ from proto or picture if computer generated. This was very much the case with my serrated UKPK Salt.

They have definitely Photoshopped some of them, but this one looks legit based on videos.

i agree they seem to be less aggressive in the video. i think that's best because it gives the cutting power of serrations without all the snag, much like you've pointed out in your posts.


as far as which is best for sd, i would probably argue that se is going to be more effective because it will cut more aggressively and even when it's not as sharp as it could be (just in case i've had to use the knife prior to the incident). i'm not gonna be dogmatic about my assertion that se is better, though. it's just my personal choice for sd, emergencies, and even edc for this blade in particular.

[jwbnyc]

Okay, slashing vs thrusting motions:

The Civilian and Matriarch are slashing defensive knives.

What about the Ayoob? Seems like a thrusting knife, like the Swick. Both are pistol grip knives. Are serrations better for defensive thrusting? Do they have the ease of penetration in a thrusting defense? Is the Ayoob even a defensive knife? The case could be made that it is primarily an offensive knife, the best defense being a good offense. Just spitballing..

[ladybug93]

i hadn't given much thought to the slashing vs thrusting aspect of this, honestly. for thrusting, i doubt serrations help at all. effective thrusting is going to come from your strength and the design of the knife (negative angle in this case). while the design is clearly meant for thrusting rather than slashing, i imagine it would still work just fine in a slashing motion. since the serrations would help in a slashing motion and don't hinder thrusting, i would rather have them than not.

i'd still call it a defensive knife if i had to put that label on it. that's really just a mindset thing though. like calling a semi-automatic rifle an assault weapon... assault is an action that is carried out by the person holding the weapon; not an inherent attribute of an inanimate object. a knife is a cutting tool. defensive vs offensive vs utility is in how you use it.

[Rp5]

If I shoot a woodpecker who is pecking my chimney, is that offensive, defensive, or utility?

Asking for a friend.

[jwbnyc]

Defensive.

Everybody knows woodpeckers are vicious.