2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

If your topic has nothing to do with Spyderco, you can post it here.
User avatar
Naperville
Member
Posts: 4434
Joined: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:58 am
Location: Illinois, USA

2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#1

Post by Naperville »

I do not remember seeing a story on this. Neat knife!

Story
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180974310/

Knife
Image
Last edited by Naperville on Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:08 pm, edited 2 times in total.
I support the 2nd Amendment Organizations of GOA, NRA, FPC, SAF, and "Knife Rights"
T2T: https://tunnel2towers.org; Special Operations Wounded Warriors: https://sowwcharity.com/
User avatar
Naperville
Member
Posts: 4434
Joined: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:58 am
Location: Illinois, USA

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#2

Post by Naperville »

Image not showing up. Well, it was very encrusted!

EDIT: Got it!
I support the 2nd Amendment Organizations of GOA, NRA, FPC, SAF, and "Knife Rights"
T2T: https://tunnel2towers.org; Special Operations Wounded Warriors: https://sowwcharity.com/
User avatar
Evil D
Member
Posts: 27147
Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:48 pm
Location: Northern KY

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#3

Post by Evil D »

I'm fascinated with anything Roman, or even Egyptian for that matter. I feel like there's a lot to learn from two civilizations that were so prominent for such a vast span of time but then fell to ruin.
All SE all the time since 2017
~David
User avatar
Manixguy@1994
Member
Posts: 12626
Joined: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:12 pm
Location: Central Illinois
Contact:

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#4

Post by Manixguy@1994 »

Naperville wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:04 pm
Image not showing up. Well, it was very encrusted!

EDIT: Got it!
Since you are not far away have you ever been to the Chicago Museum of Art ? They have a wing of Roman and Medieval displays that is very interesting. It’s one one my favorite places to go too when I am there . Dan
MNOSD 0002 / Do more than is required of you . Patton
Nothing makes earth so spacious as to have friends at a distance; they make the latitudes and longitudes.
Henry David Thoreau
User avatar
Doc Dan
Member
Posts: 14835
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:25 am
Location: In a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity.

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#5

Post by Doc Dan »

The Roman Empire lasted from the 400's BC to the AD 1400's, about 1000 years. Amazing.
I Pray Heaven to Bestow The Best of Blessing on THIS HOUSE, and on ALL that shall hereafter Inhabit it. May none but Honest and Wise Men ever rule under This Roof! (John Adams regarding the White House)

Follow the Christ, the King,
Live pure, speak true, right wrong, follow the King--
Else, wherefore born?" (Tennyson)



NRA Life Member
Spydernation 0050
User avatar
Manixguy@1994
Member
Posts: 12626
Joined: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:12 pm
Location: Central Illinois
Contact:

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#6

Post by Manixguy@1994 »

Since it is so ornate , my guess it may be someone of high rank ? Just a guess . MG2
MNOSD 0002 / Do more than is required of you . Patton
Nothing makes earth so spacious as to have friends at a distance; they make the latitudes and longitudes.
Henry David Thoreau
The Meat man
Member
Posts: 5858
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:01 pm
Location: Missouri, USA

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#7

Post by The Meat man »

That is so cool! The preservation is unbelievable!

The history of Rome is so fascinating. I have been reading Cassius Dio's history of Rome. I'm currently on Book 2, having read about the founding of Rome, the Kingdom of Rome, its collapse and the subsequent formation of the Republic, I'm now getting to the Imperatorial Period (the collapse of the Republic) with its violence and political intrigue, and great figures like Pompey, Crassus, Caesar, Cicero, Cato, and others.
- Connor

"What is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
User avatar
TkoK83Spy
Member
Posts: 12464
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:32 pm
Location: Syracuse, NY

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#8

Post by TkoK83Spy »

Very cool indeed! Thanks for posting.
15 :bug-red 's in 10 different steels
1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31 Insingo/Magnacut

-Rick
User avatar
Wartstein
Member
Posts: 15220
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:06 am
Location: Salzburg, Austria, Europe

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#9

Post by Wartstein »

I am also quite interested in Roman history and archaeology. Thanks for sharing, very nice and interesting!

Most of these Pugios (Roman word for that kind of military dagger, rarely used by Civilians as far as I know) are found in the back then northwestern provinces of the Roman Empire (Germany, Rhine region). Few in ex- southern and eastern provimces.
It is believed by many historians that this is due to the specific kind of warfare in the northwest of the Roman empire: A lot of very close combat against mostly unarmored Germanic tribes, where even the anyway rather short Roman gladius (sword) could be cumbersome to use and an even shorter weapon the better choice sometimes.

Here https://youtu.be/4BMiteizaWc is a vid about the Pugio, these guys normally do their research and know what they are talking about (and I think mention too what I said above as far as I can recall)
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
User avatar
VooDooChild
Member
Posts: 2623
Joined: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:29 am

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#10

Post by VooDooChild »

Fun fact about Rome...
Read the quote that I use as a signature at the end of my posts.
Last edited by VooDooChild on Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"Rome's greatest contribution to mathematics was the killing of Archimedes."
James Y
Member
Posts: 8078
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:33 am
Location: Southern CA

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#11

Post by James Y »

Amazing that it could actually be restored.

Jim
User avatar
ChrisinHove
Member
Posts: 4081
Joined: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:12 am
Location: 27.2046° N, 77.4977° E

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#12

Post by ChrisinHove »

It makes me wonder what else is lying around, waiting to be discovered.
User avatar
Naperville
Member
Posts: 4434
Joined: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:58 am
Location: Illinois, USA

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#13

Post by Naperville »

Manixguy@1994 wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:24 am
Naperville wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:04 pm
Image not showing up. Well, it was very encrusted!

EDIT: Got it!
Since you are not far away have you ever been to the Chicago Museum of Art ? They have a wing of Roman and Medieval displays that is very interesting. It’s one one my favorite places to go too when I am there . Dan
I didn't even think of it! Thank you!!!

I'll definitely need to go now. I bet they have many interesting antiquities.
I support the 2nd Amendment Organizations of GOA, NRA, FPC, SAF, and "Knife Rights"
T2T: https://tunnel2towers.org; Special Operations Wounded Warriors: https://sowwcharity.com/
User avatar
knivesandbooks
Member
Posts: 1455
Joined: Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:43 pm
Location: Tulsa, OK

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#14

Post by knivesandbooks »

Is it full tang tho
Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and on those in the tombs bestowing life!
User avatar
Manixguy@1994
Member
Posts: 12626
Joined: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:12 pm
Location: Central Illinois
Contact:

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#15

Post by Manixguy@1994 »

Naperville wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:59 pm
Manixguy@1994 wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:24 am
Naperville wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:04 pm
Image not showing up. Well, it was very encrusted!

EDIT: Got it!
Since you are not far away have you ever been to the Chicago Museum of Art ? They have a wing of Roman and Medieval displays that is very interesting. It’s one one my favorite places to go too when I am there . Dan
I didn't even think of it! Thank you!!!

I'll definitely need to go now. I bet they have many interesting antiquities.
I think you would enjoy it . The wings are side by side . So you have both right there to look at . Surprised me the armor is definitely not made for tall people !
MNOSD 0002 / Do more than is required of you . Patton
Nothing makes earth so spacious as to have friends at a distance; they make the latitudes and longitudes.
Henry David Thoreau
User avatar
Naperville
Member
Posts: 4434
Joined: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:58 am
Location: Illinois, USA

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#16

Post by Naperville »

Manixguy@1994 wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:58 pm
Naperville wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:59 pm
Manixguy@1994 wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:24 am
Naperville wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:04 pm
Image not showing up. Well, it was very encrusted!

EDIT: Got it!
Since you are not far away have you ever been to the Chicago Museum of Art ? They have a wing of Roman and Medieval displays that is very interesting. It’s one one my favorite places to go too when I am there . Dan
I didn't even think of it! Thank you!!!

I'll definitely need to go now. I bet they have many interesting antiquities.
I think you would enjoy it . The wings are side by side . So you have both right there to look at . Surprised me the armor is definitely not made for tall people !
Funny thing is, I've been to all of these museums in Chicago but not in the last 30+ years, and I only recently took up serious knife collecting. People take the museums for granted.

I'll try to hit up the Art Museum and Field Museum in 2022.
I support the 2nd Amendment Organizations of GOA, NRA, FPC, SAF, and "Knife Rights"
T2T: https://tunnel2towers.org; Special Operations Wounded Warriors: https://sowwcharity.com/
yablanowitz
Member
Posts: 6909
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:16 pm
Location: Liberal, Kansas

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#17

Post by yablanowitz »

Manixguy@1994 wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:58 pm
Naperville wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:59 pm
Manixguy@1994 wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:24 am
Naperville wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:04 pm
Image not showing up. Well, it was very encrusted!

EDIT: Got it!
Since you are not far away have you ever been to the Chicago Museum of Art ? They have a wing of Roman and Medieval displays that is very interesting. It’s one one my favorite places to go too when I am there . Dan
I didn't even think of it! Thank you!!!

I'll definitely need to go now. I bet they have many interesting antiquities.
I think you would enjoy it . The wings are side by side . So you have both right there to look at . Surprised me the armor is definitely not made for tall people !
Back then, tall people were 5'-4".
User avatar
Naperville
Member
Posts: 4434
Joined: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:58 am
Location: Illinois, USA

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#18

Post by Naperville »

yablanowitz wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:50 pm
Manixguy@1994 wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:58 pm
Naperville wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:59 pm
Manixguy@1994 wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:24 am


Since you are not far away have you ever been to the Chicago Museum of Art ? They have a wing of Roman and Medieval displays that is very interesting. It’s one one my favorite places to go too when I am there . Dan
I didn't even think of it! Thank you!!!

I'll definitely need to go now. I bet they have many interesting antiquities.
I think you would enjoy it . The wings are side by side . So you have both right there to look at . Surprised me the armor is definitely not made for tall people !
Back then, tall people were 5'-4".
I do think that most people were short in the middle ages and earlier. They did not eat well, live well, and suffered through the seasons because they lacked modern HVAC systems. But before mobility and migration became the norm, I think there were countries that had taller people within them. Some European countries have a significant number of people reaching 6ft tall or better, no problem, just like in China, some regions have taller folks. You see these folks in the NBA.
I support the 2nd Amendment Organizations of GOA, NRA, FPC, SAF, and "Knife Rights"
T2T: https://tunnel2towers.org; Special Operations Wounded Warriors: https://sowwcharity.com/
User avatar
Naperville
Member
Posts: 4434
Joined: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:58 am
Location: Illinois, USA

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#19

Post by Naperville »

I've got to say, that is a humdinger of a knife blade design!
I support the 2nd Amendment Organizations of GOA, NRA, FPC, SAF, and "Knife Rights"
T2T: https://tunnel2towers.org; Special Operations Wounded Warriors: https://sowwcharity.com/
James Y
Member
Posts: 8078
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:33 am
Location: Southern CA

Re: 2,000-Year-Old Roman Dagger

#20

Post by James Y »

When I visited The House of Seven Gables in Massachusetts, I recall the rooms were small and cramped, and the furnishings, utensils, and everything in it, were tiny. The tour guide said that back in the Colonial days, the average person was much smaller, due to the nutrition back then, etc.

My grandpa (dad's side) from Japan, 1871 to 1951, was over 6' tall. Extremely tall for a Japanese of that time period; he was even taller and larger than many Europeans and Euro-Americans back then. My mom's dad (1893 to 1986), also from Japan, was my height, 5' 9", which was also very tall for a Japanese during that period. There are always going to be exceptions to the norm.

Jim
Post Reply