Bye Bye Delica. Thanks Mr. Police Man
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PJ: I feel for you bro...If it were me I'd go down to the station and attempt to get the knife back by speaking with higher ups bout what happened...seems like the whole thing you described should have never taken place, from the stop to the confiscation etc etc etc. Hey it's worth a try...Doc
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David Lowry
This is what I think you should do:
Head on down to the station and see if you can talk to the officer that took the Delica. Ask to speak to him in private. Tell him that you thought that you were a jerk and that you spoke a little bit out of hand. Tell him that you meant no harm and that you collect Spyderco's. Then tell him that the Delica he took means a lot to you and that you would appreciate it if there were some way to get it back. Maybe even take along say a different knife (that is less valuable to you) and say "that Delica means so much to me I'd even be prepared to give you a different knife if I could have the Delica back".
He'll probably give it back to you with a smile and a handshake. I'm not kidding either.
I have found that 9 out of 10 times this works to the person's advantage.
What do you have to lose?
Head on down to the station and see if you can talk to the officer that took the Delica. Ask to speak to him in private. Tell him that you thought that you were a jerk and that you spoke a little bit out of hand. Tell him that you meant no harm and that you collect Spyderco's. Then tell him that the Delica he took means a lot to you and that you would appreciate it if there were some way to get it back. Maybe even take along say a different knife (that is less valuable to you) and say "that Delica means so much to me I'd even be prepared to give you a different knife if I could have the Delica back".
He'll probably give it back to you with a smile and a handshake. I'm not kidding either.
I have found that 9 out of 10 times this works to the person's advantage.
What do you have to lose?
[quote="David Lowry"]This is what I think you should do:
Head on down to the station and see if you can talk to the officer that took the Delica. Ask to speak to him in private. Tell him that you thought that you were a jerk and that you spoke a little bit out of hand. Tell him that you meant no harm and that you collect Spyderco's. Then tell him that the Delica he took means a lot to you and that you would appreciate it if there were some way to get it back. Maybe even take along say a different knife (that is less valuable to you) and say "that Delica means so much to me I'd even be prepared to give you a different knife if I could have the Delica back".
He'll probably give it back to you with a smile and a handshake. I'm not kidding either.
I have found that 9 out of 10 times this works to the person's advantage.
What do you have to lose? ]
Hello David,
I think this sounds very good, but he should do it on a private level.
Good luck pjrocco!
Head on down to the station and see if you can talk to the officer that took the Delica. Ask to speak to him in private. Tell him that you thought that you were a jerk and that you spoke a little bit out of hand. Tell him that you meant no harm and that you collect Spyderco's. Then tell him that the Delica he took means a lot to you and that you would appreciate it if there were some way to get it back. Maybe even take along say a different knife (that is less valuable to you) and say "that Delica means so much to me I'd even be prepared to give you a different knife if I could have the Delica back".
He'll probably give it back to you with a smile and a handshake. I'm not kidding either.
I have found that 9 out of 10 times this works to the person's advantage.
What do you have to lose? ]
Hello David,
I think this sounds very good, but he should do it on a private level.
Good luck pjrocco!
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Alright guys, heres what I did.
I called the station and spoke with a lady officer. Basically she took my name, address and put me on hold. She came back about 10 mins later to tell me that there is no report or anything on this matter. So basically the cop didn't radio anything in, and didn't write anything up.
I told her the whole story and she told me that since there is no report, it would be my word against his. Plus, I'd have to go to the station and write up a full report on what happened, and the situation would have to be looked into. Which could takes months, so she says. :rolleyes:
I was then informed that an officer has the right to take any "weapon" for a person if it is legal or not. I didn't think this was true, but she said it is a city law and not a state law. This law is made to protect the officer at all times.
I guess the law states: Anything that can but used as a weapon that is on or around your person, can be taken from you at anytime.
So, I'm torn now if I should go complain and fight the system or just cut my loses and move on.
I also took a picture of the stop sign. But was informed it would not do me any good since I was not given a ticket for this offence. :mad:
Your thoughts?
Thanks guys!
I called the station and spoke with a lady officer. Basically she took my name, address and put me on hold. She came back about 10 mins later to tell me that there is no report or anything on this matter. So basically the cop didn't radio anything in, and didn't write anything up.
I told her the whole story and she told me that since there is no report, it would be my word against his. Plus, I'd have to go to the station and write up a full report on what happened, and the situation would have to be looked into. Which could takes months, so she says. :rolleyes:
I was then informed that an officer has the right to take any "weapon" for a person if it is legal or not. I didn't think this was true, but she said it is a city law and not a state law. This law is made to protect the officer at all times.
I guess the law states: Anything that can but used as a weapon that is on or around your person, can be taken from you at anytime.
So, I'm torn now if I should go complain and fight the system or just cut my loses and move on.
I also took a picture of the stop sign. But was informed it would not do me any good since I was not given a ticket for this offence. :mad:
Your thoughts?
Thanks guys!
Rock
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Hello,
I would say go and file a complaint. The bureaucraty and paper work is what keeps people from standing up for their rights. You will never see your knife again (unless the leo admits he was wrong :rolleyes: ...) and it will take a long time before you get results.... But out of solidarity to all knifenuts and those who has been abused by officers, please file a complaint...
Simon
I would say go and file a complaint. The bureaucraty and paper work is what keeps people from standing up for their rights. You will never see your knife again (unless the leo admits he was wrong :rolleyes: ...) and it will take a long time before you get results.... But out of solidarity to all knifenuts and those who has been abused by officers, please file a complaint...
Simon
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live, learn, and move on!
:spyder: What's important is that you learn how to more effectivly deal with leo's. Cops hate it when "little people" try to exercise their rights, it fuels their natural cop predation.
Never invoke the fourth ammendment by name. Categoricaly fall under the 4ths protection with a seemingly unknowing air.
"You can't search me or my car, I know my rights!" Pisses off many LEOs and makes them look harder for loopholes which they are trained to exploit.
Whereas "I don't understand, I'm not a criminal, I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG AND I JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO SEARCH MY CAR." (caps added for emfasis not shouting) Keeps you under the umbrella of the fourth without tipping your hand to the LEO that you're playing the "informed/empowered citizen" card.
A terry frisk (outside the clothing weapon frisk) is alway warranted for the leo's protection. If a cop finds your delica and you say "gee, I thought it was legal...I'll leave it at home from now on!" Is much more likely to work than "that knife's not over 3 inches, give it back!" :spyder:
Never invoke the fourth ammendment by name. Categoricaly fall under the 4ths protection with a seemingly unknowing air.
"You can't search me or my car, I know my rights!" Pisses off many LEOs and makes them look harder for loopholes which they are trained to exploit.
Whereas "I don't understand, I'm not a criminal, I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG AND I JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO SEARCH MY CAR." (caps added for emfasis not shouting) Keeps you under the umbrella of the fourth without tipping your hand to the LEO that you're playing the "informed/empowered citizen" card.
A terry frisk (outside the clothing weapon frisk) is alway warranted for the leo's protection. If a cop finds your delica and you say "gee, I thought it was legal...I'll leave it at home from now on!" Is much more likely to work than "that knife's not over 3 inches, give it back!" :spyder:
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What David suggested might work. I find it easier to to "admit" to making a mistake when I have a purpose; in your case- getting your Delica back. If I'm wrong then I don't need a purpose, I just apologize. I hope this works, that is, you being able to find the cop, and it being in the right setting for you to talk to him
I think the worst case, one that you would need the pic of the stop sign for, would be a court case, or hearing. You would need the pic to dis-proove reasonable cause. But that would take a lot of your time and maybe some of your $.
A friend of mine, before moving here, lived in Utah. He was pulled over for a routine check, and had his brother with him. He produced Lic., reg, POI. The cop then asked his brother for ID and to step out of the vehicle, his brother refused saying "This has nothing to do with me. No crime has been committed". He was taken to jail, but eventually won a settlement for false arrest; his case rested on the fact that the cop had no reason to search him or question him.
This may have all changed by now (patriot act), but he won a $60,000 settlement. This was about 3 years ago.
As has been mentioned, if you do pursue this, there is the very real possibility that the cop will "blackball" you. This just means that you -may- be harrassed by him and his buddies every time they see you. This can and does happen, doesn't make it right, but it happens. I can vouch for this one :mad: . I had to change vehicles to stop it.
---Tom
I think the worst case, one that you would need the pic of the stop sign for, would be a court case, or hearing. You would need the pic to dis-proove reasonable cause. But that would take a lot of your time and maybe some of your $.
A friend of mine, before moving here, lived in Utah. He was pulled over for a routine check, and had his brother with him. He produced Lic., reg, POI. The cop then asked his brother for ID and to step out of the vehicle, his brother refused saying "This has nothing to do with me. No crime has been committed". He was taken to jail, but eventually won a settlement for false arrest; his case rested on the fact that the cop had no reason to search him or question him.
This may have all changed by now (patriot act), but he won a $60,000 settlement. This was about 3 years ago.
As has been mentioned, if you do pursue this, there is the very real possibility that the cop will "blackball" you. This just means that you -may- be harrassed by him and his buddies every time they see you. This can and does happen, doesn't make it right, but it happens. I can vouch for this one :mad: . I had to change vehicles to stop it.
---Tom
Hey, I just had an idea:...
Find the officer, and tell him you changed you mind... You'll let him give you a ticket and search your car so you can have your knife back... :p
Simon
Find the officer, and tell him you changed you mind... You'll let him give you a ticket and search your car so you can have your knife back... :p
Simon
"Everyday above the ground and vertical is a good day".
-Sir A. Hopkins in "The world's Fastest Indian"
"If it hurts, it means you're not dead..."
-Kayakist Marie-Pier Cote
The Spyderco Cookbook
-Sir A. Hopkins in "The world's Fastest Indian"
"If it hurts, it means you're not dead..."
-Kayakist Marie-Pier Cote
The Spyderco Cookbook
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David Lowry
if it's possible, file an entry in the daybook of the police station about what happened. if more people complain about him there will be a trace of your "incident" as well. it won't give you your knife back but if it happens too many times with the same LEO, he will be in trouble...
Alexandre.
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i'd definitely file a report... even if it took "months" to get your knife back, so what?!! you'd still get it back! and maybe somehow an honest mistake was made, and your knife would be returned faster than you expect.
paperwork can be intimidating and annoying, but sometimes it's necessary to get results. all you need is the spare time to fill it out, and little patience as you wait for results. i've found that quite often, paperwork gets results faster than i expect, and more quickly and easily than official-type-people tell me it will.
and even if you don't get your knife back back, if you fill out a report, the officer wouldn't have gotten away with his shady, unreported confiscation.
just stick to it... maybe you're closer to a resolution that you realize!
paperwork can be intimidating and annoying, but sometimes it's necessary to get results. all you need is the spare time to fill it out, and little patience as you wait for results. i've found that quite often, paperwork gets results faster than i expect, and more quickly and easily than official-type-people tell me it will.
and even if you don't get your knife back back, if you fill out a report, the officer wouldn't have gotten away with his shady, unreported confiscation.
just stick to it... maybe you're closer to a resolution that you realize!
I know i'm from a different country so things are a little different but I would 100% get something in writing. A phone call or caonversation can be sluffed off, a report or written complaint with copies cannot.
Through out my 4 some years now carrying a knife I have had two "incidents". One the LEO took the knife from me but that was after I told him that I had it, I was very upfront about it. He took it then gave it back after we were finished (Got pulled over because the tires on my Jeep stuck out too far :) ). The second time I was stopped when my friend and I were walking home after a party, (appently nearby some young males were breaking windows) My knife was taken from me as last time but then when I asked for it back after the officer said she deemed my knife "Illegal" I explained to her that I used my knife as more of a tool and not primarily for SD. I also showed her my Military ID. She took my knife (Strider SNG) regardless and gave me a slip. Needless to say I was choked. I phoned the police station (RCMP) later the next day and explained my case. I talked to the super and because my friend and I wern't actually doing anything wrong, and I acutally told the officer I had a knife (I can't actually remember how I brought I up I didn't just spring up and say I had a knife) and why I had it I actually got my SNG back. My father (an LEO himself) Thought my knife was long gone, so did I but I still to this day think I was lucky.
Get the wheels turing Rocco, File a report. Yeah maybe you'll get your knife back in months or years, but like clovisc said at least you'll get it back! All they can say is no, but in your situation I think it is absurd that he didn't give your knife back. If the LEO took it because he thought it was a danger to him fine, but why wouldn't he give it back when he thought the danger was over. Or give you the chance to come get your property from the Station if he didn't feel comforable giving back to you at that time? I think that would have been a good comprimise. Apperently thats what the explaination I got from the officer why she didn't give it back to me at that time.
Hopefully I wasn't just rambling it just turks me off when bad stuff happens to good people.
Through out my 4 some years now carrying a knife I have had two "incidents". One the LEO took the knife from me but that was after I told him that I had it, I was very upfront about it. He took it then gave it back after we were finished (Got pulled over because the tires on my Jeep stuck out too far :) ). The second time I was stopped when my friend and I were walking home after a party, (appently nearby some young males were breaking windows) My knife was taken from me as last time but then when I asked for it back after the officer said she deemed my knife "Illegal" I explained to her that I used my knife as more of a tool and not primarily for SD. I also showed her my Military ID. She took my knife (Strider SNG) regardless and gave me a slip. Needless to say I was choked. I phoned the police station (RCMP) later the next day and explained my case. I talked to the super and because my friend and I wern't actually doing anything wrong, and I acutally told the officer I had a knife (I can't actually remember how I brought I up I didn't just spring up and say I had a knife) and why I had it I actually got my SNG back. My father (an LEO himself) Thought my knife was long gone, so did I but I still to this day think I was lucky.
Get the wheels turing Rocco, File a report. Yeah maybe you'll get your knife back in months or years, but like clovisc said at least you'll get it back! All they can say is no, but in your situation I think it is absurd that he didn't give your knife back. If the LEO took it because he thought it was a danger to him fine, but why wouldn't he give it back when he thought the danger was over. Or give you the chance to come get your property from the Station if he didn't feel comforable giving back to you at that time? I think that would have been a good comprimise. Apperently thats what the explaination I got from the officer why she didn't give it back to me at that time.
Hopefully I wasn't just rambling it just turks me off when bad stuff happens to good people.
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I went down to the station last night and filled out all the necessary paperwork. The officer I was dealing with went to the "holding room" to see if my knife was there.. but it was not.
So the cop for sure took it for himself.
Basically they are going to ask the officer what happened and where the knife is. It is my word against his, so you know if the officer says he never took a knife from me. then I'll never see it again.
Time till tell. They informed me that it can take anywhere from 10 day to 10 weeks. Which I don't understand since all they have to do is ask him.
O well, I'll keep you all posted.
Thanks!
So the cop for sure took it for himself.
Basically they are going to ask the officer what happened and where the knife is. It is my word against his, so you know if the officer says he never took a knife from me. then I'll never see it again.
Time till tell. They informed me that it can take anywhere from 10 day to 10 weeks. Which I don't understand since all they have to do is ask him.
O well, I'll keep you all posted.
Thanks!
Rock
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Good Luck...
I feel for you, my friend.
I suggest pursuing the matter as far as possible. File a formal complaint against the officer involved. The ones like him give the rest of LEOs a bad name. I have many friends among the police force and cannot imagine them acting like such jerks.
I also recommend strongly getting a free consult with an attorney and picking his/her brain about the situation. Be sure of what the law is and what your rights and responsibilities are before proceeding. For example, in my state, the officer may generally not search a vehicle without a warrant. They can detain you to get one, but they cannot search without it.
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I suggest pursuing the matter as far as possible. File a formal complaint against the officer involved. The ones like him give the rest of LEOs a bad name. I have many friends among the police force and cannot imagine them acting like such jerks.
I also recommend strongly getting a free consult with an attorney and picking his/her brain about the situation. Be sure of what the law is and what your rights and responsibilities are before proceeding. For example, in my state, the officer may generally not search a vehicle without a warrant. They can detain you to get one, but they cannot search without it.
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