Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

[James Y]

Attacking the Throat, by Tim Larkin

https://youtu.be/BiqVMUrC2lI

Jim

[James Y]

Tim Larkin: Self-Defense Injuries - The Collarbone

https://youtu.be/iaQ5IxLMCT8

Jim

[Naperville]

Tim Larkin: Self-Defense Injuries - The Collarbone

https://youtu.be/iaQ5IxLMCT8

Jim

It's not easy to break, but yea, if you break it the fight is over.

[James Y]

It's not easy to break, but yea, if you break it the fight is over.

Yes, I consider the collar bone as more of a secondary or incidental target than a primary target. The bone itself may not be hard to break, but no aggressor will just stand still in position for you to break it as a first strike.

Jim

[Naperville]

It's not easy to break, but yea, if you break it the fight is over.

Yes, I consider the collar bone as more of a secondary or incidental target than a primary target. The bone itself may not be hard to break, but no aggressor will just stand still in position for you to break it as a first strike.

Jim

I've never broken a collar bone(knock on wood), and I cannot recall ever knowing anyone that broke one. But if anyone breaks into the house here, that is a good target for that 16oz ball peen hammer.

[James Y]

It's not easy to break, but yea, if you break it the fight is over.

Yes, I consider the collar bone as more of a secondary or incidental target than a primary target. The bone itself may not be hard to break, but no aggressor will just stand still in position for you to break it as a first strike.

Jim

I've never broken a collar bone(knock on wood), and I cannot recall ever knowing anyone that broke one. But if anyone breaks into the house here, that is a good target for that 16oz ball peen hammer.

That’ll definitely work. I’ve had a 16-ounce Estwing hammer (but mine is a claw hammer) in the house for various uses, including in case of that, but I’d also use my 51” hickory walking stick. I can use it at long range or in close, including in cramped, narrow spaces. So TBH, I’d probably choose that at home over the hammer, if both were within easy reach at the time.

IMO, striking the collarbone with the walking stick, hammer, or other impact weapon would be much easier than while using empty hands, as Tim Larkin was emphasizing. I don’t do fancy twirls, big swings, or much double-ended striking with my stick, like you see a LOT of the guys posting videos about walking stick defense demonstrating on YouTube. Simple and direct is better, IMO. Also, my stick is not a cane, and it doesn’t have a hook on it. It always requires a two-handed grip. I strike with the handle end, and a bit with the shaft in close quarters, but not with the end with the rubber ferrule, unless I’m in close and bringing the part of the shaft just above the ferrule up into his groin.

IMO, a plain, straight, rustic hickory walking stick is awesome, if the wielder knows what they‘re doing. And it can be legally carried anywhere. Nobody bats an eye when they see me with my walking stick, even though I don’t need it as a walking aid. I also currently have a goatee beard that is now mostly gray, making me look older than when clean-shaven; which kinda makes me look the part of a man who might carry a walking stick.



Jim

[Naperville]

That’ll definitely work. I’ve had a 16-ounce Estwing hammer (but mine is a claw hammer) in the house for various uses, including in case of that, but I’d also use my 51” hickory walking stick. I can use it at long range or in close, including in cramped, narrow spaces. So TBH, I’d probably choose that at home over the hammer, if both were within easy reach at the time.

IMO, striking the collarbone with the walking stick, hammer, or other impact weapon would be much easier than while using empty hands, as Tim Larkin was emphasizing. I don’t do fancy twirls, big swings, or much double-ended striking with my stick, like you see a LOT of the guys posting videos about walking stick defense demonstrating on YouTube. Simple and direct is better, IMO. Also, my stick is not a cane, and it doesn’t have a hook on it. It always requires a two-handed grip. I strike with the handle end, and a bit with the shaft in close quarters, but not with the end with the rubber ferrule, unless I’m in close and bringing the part of the shaft just above the ferrule up into his groin.

IMO, a plain, straight, rustic hickory walking stick is awesome, if the wielder knows what they‘re doing. And it can be legally carried anywhere. Nobody bats an eye when they see me with my walking stick, even though I don’t need it as a walking aid. I also currently have a goatee beard that is now mostly gray, making me look older than when clean-shaven; which kinda makes me look the part of a man who might carry a walking stick.



Jim

I plan to get a cane or two too!!!

I have an Iron Wood Gijo Sticks from the Philippines, and I plan to buy 1 to 2 more, they're excellent! As soon as they are in stock they sell out, they're that good. It is heavy and I do not think they are too brittle and they should easily break bones. Let me put it this way, if you break one on someone(which I doubt you do), I'd hate to see the damage that they have.

https://www.traditionalfilipinoweapons. ... ilippines/

[Naperville]

I grow a beard and then get rid of it. I had a huge beard and my mom did not like it. It wasn't ZZ Top quality, more like Mountain Man!!!!

[VashHash]

It's not easy to break, but yea, if you break it the fight is over.

Yes, I consider the collar bone as more of a secondary or incidental target than a primary target. The bone itself may not be hard to break, but no aggressor will just stand still in position for you to break it as a first strike.

Jim

I've never broken a collar bone(knock on wood), and I cannot recall ever knowing anyone that broke one. But if anyone breaks into the house here, that is a good target for that 16oz ball peen hammer.

That’ll definitely work. I’ve had a 16-ounce Estwing hammer (but mine is a claw hammer) in the house for various uses, including in case of that, but I’d also use my 51” hickory walking stick. I can use it at long range or in close, including in cramped, narrow spaces. So TBH, I’d probably choose that at home over the hammer, if both were within easy reach at the time.

IMO, striking the collarbone with the walking stick, hammer, or other impact weapon would be much easier than while using empty hands, as Tim Larkin was emphasizing. I don’t do fancy twirls, big swings, or much double-ended striking with my stick, like you see a LOT of the guys posting videos about walking stick defense demonstrating on YouTube. Simple and direct is better, IMO. Also, my stick is not a cane, and it doesn’t have a hook on it. It always requires a two-handed grip. I strike with the handle end, and a bit with the shaft in close quarters, but not with the end with the rubber ferrule, unless I’m in close and bringing the part of the shaft just above the ferrule up into his groin.

IMO, a plain, straight, rustic hickory walking stick is awesome, if the wielder knows what they‘re doing. And it can be legally carried anywhere. Nobody bats an eye when they see me with my walking stick, even though I don’t need it as a walking aid. I also currently have a goatee beard that is now mostly gray, making me look older than when clean-shaven; which kinda makes me look the part of a man who might carry a walking stick.



Jim

Just reminds me of this clip

https://youtu.be/wiPK3Ij6QMQ

[Naperville]

Just reminds me of this clip

https://youtu.be/wiPK3Ij6QMQ

Axe handles are great. I need to get a few of those too.

As long as these Spydercos keep coming, I'll never have the money for anything else! But I'll have a solid knife collection.

[James Y]

Yes, I consider the collar bone as more of a secondary or incidental target than a primary target. The bone itself may not be hard to break, but no aggressor will just stand still in position for you to break it as a first strike.

Jim

I've never broken a collar bone(knock on wood), and I cannot recall ever knowing anyone that broke one. But if anyone breaks into the house here, that is a good target for that 16oz ball peen hammer.

That’ll definitely work. I’ve had a 16-ounce Estwing hammer (but mine is a claw hammer) in the house for various uses, including in case of that, but I’d also use my 51” hickory walking stick. I can use it at long range or in close, including in cramped, narrow spaces. So TBH, I’d probably choose that at home over the hammer, if both were within easy reach at the time.

IMO, striking the collarbone with the walking stick, hammer, or other impact weapon would be much easier than while using empty hands, as Tim Larkin was emphasizing. I don’t do fancy twirls, big swings, or much double-ended striking with my stick, like you see a LOT of the guys posting videos about walking stick defense demonstrating on YouTube. Simple and direct is better, IMO. Also, my stick is not a cane, and it doesn’t have a hook on it. It always requires a two-handed grip. I strike with the handle end, and a bit with the shaft in close quarters, but not with the end with the rubber ferrule, unless I’m in close and bringing the part of the shaft just above the ferrule up into his groin.

IMO, a plain, straight, rustic hickory walking stick is awesome, if the wielder knows what they‘re doing. And it can be legally carried anywhere. Nobody bats an eye when they see me with my walking stick, even though I don’t need it as a walking aid. I also currently have a goatee beard that is now mostly gray, making me look older than when clean-shaven; which kinda makes me look the part of a man who might carry a walking stick.



Jim

Just reminds me of this clip

https://youtu.be/wiPK3Ij6QMQ

Classic scene from Pale Rider!

Jim

[max808]

Never Underestimate Anyone.

The first duck and weave pretty much sets the big guy up for defeat, he just reacts from there and the lil guy is more than happy to oblige with a perfect counter.

Never Underestimate Anyone

[James Y]

Police Officer Hip Throws Bad Guy

https://youtu.be/kufiBOPZZYI

Jim

[Fireman]

I had a great marital art experience last night. Was not sure I would survive.

[max808]

Never Underestimate Anyone.

The first duck and weave pretty much sets the big guy up for defeat, he just reacts from there and the lil guy is more than happy to oblige with a perfect counter.

Never Underestimate Anyone

Also notice how his head bounces off the concrete about a foot... the fall is usually where most of the damage is done. Pretty hard to watch but live with sound it's a horror show.

[Naperville]

Never Underestimate Anyone.

The first duck and weave pretty much sets the big guy up for defeat, he just reacts from there and the lil guy is more than happy to oblige with a perfect counter.

Never Underestimate Anyone

Dude got rocked!

[Naperville]

I had a great marital art experience last night. Was not sure I would survive.

Was it the application of the arts in a street fight, or in a dojo?

In some of the arts I've been in, I've seen people get reckt in a dojo!

[twinboysdad]

In 2002 I took up 3 Filipino edged weapons (knife and machete) arts at once, and I studied 7 days per week. I lived in a van in Stockton, California to do this.

One of the guros had studied Japanese, and Filipino martial arts and he had dozens of different weapons all over his home. I thought that was pretty neat and in a small way I have tried to replicate that passion for hand held weapons, edged and otherwise. I have a few long knives and modern renditions of WW I and WW II trench weapons.

The other day I ordered a set of tools that make up one modern "trench weapon." I had to use my Home Depot card or they were going to close it for non-use. Ever since COVID hit and my back started to bug me, doing work requiring tools ceased to exist. I took a look at their inventory and found an Estwing all steel 16oz Ball Peen Hammer, a tool-belt and a "belt-hammer-holder."

I'd long ago heard that motorcycle gangs used ball peen hammers on each other. So there ya go. My new toy!

Sounds like a good setup you got there, Naperville.

Another common street weapon was the “slungshot,” which was a small weight, like a padlock, tied to the end of a flexible handle, such as a chain, a length of cord, or a bandana. Very easy to assemble, but ALSO VERY ILLEGAL TO CARRY AND/OR USE.

I’m posting the video below for educational purposes only, and am NOT encouraging anybody to make one one as a self-defense option. He calls it a chain whip, but it’s really a type of slungshot. The video shows a 12” length of chain, but bandanas were commonly used in the past, and it was probably easier to carry the bandana and the lock in separate pockets when not in use to hopefully avoid arrest for carrying a slungshot. However, I would imagine that most LEOs, if they searched someone and found a chain or bandana in one pocket and a padlock in the other, would probably suspect its purpose is to be used as a weapon.

Other similar makeshift weapons were bars of soap in a sock or cloth (IMO, a single sock would probably tear if used like that), pool balls wrapped in a small hand towel, etc. There is also something called a monkey’s fist, which is a length of para cord with a large knot (sometimes tied around a marble or ball bearing) on one end. I’m pretty sure all are illegal to use as SD weapons. Although if you were defending yourself in your own home and you have no other options, I guess the choice is yours. Knowledge is power.

https://youtu.be/DKFs46QjC7Y

Jim

I received the ball peen hammer! This thing is fantastic. If you hit someone in the chest or shoulder with it, the melee is over immediately. I mostly wanted it for protection of the home since I don't own any firearms. If I hear riots or home invasions are taking place, I'll strap the bad boy on.

I'll definitely buy in to your slungshot idea! I'll buy one of those setups next.

These are excellent at home type weapons. Carrying them would invite disaster.

Check out D3 protection.com for saps and blackjacks the Gonzales sap he makes is truly a melee Mt Rushmore impact weapon and still allowed issue by a CA sheriff’s offive

[Fireman]

I had a great marital art experience last night. Was not sure I would survive.

Was it the application of the arts in a street fight, or in a dojo?

In some of the arts I've been in, I've seen people get reckt in a dojo!

Oh, you meant Martial arts

[Naperville]

I had a great marital art experience last night. Was not sure I would survive.

Was it the application of the arts in a street fight, or in a dojo?

In some of the arts I've been in, I've seen people get reckt in a dojo!

Oh, you meant Martial arts

Doh!

Yea..... I read too fast! Hope that you recover!!!

The last time I so much as held anyone's hand was 20 years ago, and she was very special to me.