Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
I didn't realize this thread had gone on for 7 pages (now 8). I saw in the bombshell thread that Sal said they're working on a FRN Shaman. That'll be interesting for sure
I'll come back and read the other 6 pages when I have more time :)
I'll come back and read the other 6 pages when I have more time :)
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
Would love to see a linerless back lock version...not sure how linerless Comp lock would work unless it is like the P3 LW.Cricket Bite wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:44 pmI would imagine linerless.thewoodpecker wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 2:09 pmWhat does the gutted version entail? Very interested in seeing both!
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
I would imagine that if a backlock, choilless Shaman would ever be made, it would look similar to Cold Steel's AD-10.
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
Back to the OP
I don’t want to change Sal’s mind on his commitment to American jobs. Thank you Sal.
I don’t want to change Sal’s mind on his commitment to American jobs. Thank you Sal.
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
Hi Woodpecker,
Not enough room for a back-lock. I used the Compression both for it's strength and simplicity, but because it is not in the line of the blade which permits a wider blade.
Thanx Jonathon.
We try,
sal
Not enough room for a back-lock. I used the Compression both for it's strength and simplicity, but because it is not in the line of the blade which permits a wider blade.
Thanx Jonathon.
We try,
sal
Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
Eh, I'll be honest it did seem that way to me, or at the very least you didn't really seem like you were open to having your mind changed. Sometimes when people ask questions like this they're actually looking for real justification, but your post(s) just seemed like you wanted to debate everyones' reasons for the knife costing what it does. This is one of those "you may not like the answer, but that doesn't make it less true" sort of deals. Many of the reasons you've been given are probably spot on whether you accept them or not, so having your mind changed is really something you need to allow to happen more than we need to change it for you.
People will say "why is a Sebenza a $450 knife?" and someone will tell them all about the machining and tolerances and explain that those extra manufacturing steps add up to a more expensive knife, and those people will still say the knife isn't worth $450 even when they've just been given the exact reason that the knife costs what it costs, and that's where a person is entitled to their own opinion, but opinions are only true to the individual and aren't facts.
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
Is there a choiless manix? If not there needs to be one.
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
I actually genuinely had no idea what I was getting myself into. (I wasn't aware of the reddit trend and its etiquette) I was and still am open to my mind being changed and my mind was changed to some degree. When I challenged other peoples view points it was because I was either not thoroughly convinced of their stated opinion or was confused about what someone was trying to argue. I think that the fact that I did ask questions and didn't just say, "I'm right and you're wrong" and that i didn't straw~man anyones point of view makes it quite evident that the purpose of this thread wasn't to demean anyone or their point of view. However I will admit that some of my comments came off as accusatory~ that was not my intention . I will try to be more precise in my speech. Unfortunately it's really hard to maintain an online discussion like this and keep it from becoming toxic, most likely because of the physical detachment and dehumanization. We must all try our best.Evil D wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:21 am
Eh, I'll be honest it did seem that way to me, or at the very least you didn't really seem like you were open to having your mind changed. Sometimes when people ask questions like this they're actually looking for real justification, but your post(s) just seemed like you wanted to debate everyones' reasons for the knife costing what it does. This is one of those "you may not like the answer, but that doesn't make it less true" sort of deals. Many of the reasons you've been given are probably spot on whether you accept them or not, so having your mind changed is really something you need to allow to happen more than we need to change it for you.
People will say "why is a Sebenza a $450 knife?" and someone will tell them all about the machining and tolerances and explain that those extra manufacturing steps add up to a more expensive knife, and those people will still say the knife isn't worth $450 even when they've just been given the exact reason that the knife costs what it costs, and that's where a person is entitled to their own opinion, but opinions are only true to the individual and aren't facts.
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
There absolutely should be one... but I think the way the CBBL is implementet in the Manix requires some kind of cutout in the blade...
There will be a choilless Shaman though. :)
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- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
The handle on the Manix perfect to me and i rarely use the choil. It is so big in the pocket with little blade length.
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
I’m late to this thread but all my cents, I smoked em. So I’ll pay the price for American made blades. From an American grown business. Just wait. I’m in the metal industry and the price of steel is going up. So hold on. I wouldn’t complain. I bet the price goes up.
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
MRj is right, just about everything is going to see a jump in price. The shutdowns will have a very long tail.
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
Ok, my perspective that nobody asked for ...
First of all - if sal says that Spyderco prices their knives based on cost, I trust him.
What surprises me is the rather minor price difference between basic S30V and limited releases. The limited releases sell like hot cakes - so very obviously are not overpriced for the market. Yet S30V remains easy to get (so my impression). So my impression is - the interest is there at the current price, but it would appear that many would prefer to see the knife in a different steel and potentially different G10 color or even better micarta.
First of all - if sal says that Spyderco prices their knives based on cost, I trust him.
What surprises me is the rather minor price difference between basic S30V and limited releases. The limited releases sell like hot cakes - so very obviously are not overpriced for the market. Yet S30V remains easy to get (so my impression). So my impression is - the interest is there at the current price, but it would appear that many would prefer to see the knife in a different steel and potentially different G10 color or even better micarta.
... I like weird ...
Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
Hear! Hear!
Prices are what they are regardless of whining. If something doesn't sell at a given price point and is not successful, it should be discontinued. This sometimes happens to the dismay of many who in hindsight wished they had paid the price before it was discontinued instead of whining.
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Lots of upgraded Tenacious options since that post...
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Except the egos on the manix are a thousand times better than that on the tenacious for me anyway.abbazaba wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:33 pmviewtopic.php?f=2&t=73611&p=1140036&hil ... g#p1140036
Lots of upgraded Tenacious options since that post...
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
A Sebenza costs $450 because it has Chris Reeve's name on it. The same is true for pretty much every "custom" maker. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.Evil D wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:21 am
Eh, I'll be honest it did seem that way to me, or at the very least you didn't really seem like you were open to having your mind changed. Sometimes when people ask questions like this they're actually looking for real justification, but your post(s) just seemed like you wanted to debate everyones' reasons for the knife costing what it does. This is one of those "you may not like the answer, but that doesn't make it less true" sort of deals. Many of the reasons you've been given are probably spot on whether you accept them or not, so having your mind changed is really something you need to allow to happen more than we need to change it for you.
People will say "why is a Sebenza a $450 knife?" and someone will tell them all about the machining and tolerances and explain that those extra manufacturing steps add up to a more expensive knife, and those people will still say the knife isn't worth $450 even when they've just been given the exact reason that the knife costs what it costs, and that's where a person is entitled to their own opinion, but opinions are only true to the individual and aren't facts.
Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
JohnDoe99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:40 pmA Sebenza costs $450 because it has Chris Reeve's name on it. The same is true for pretty much every "custom" maker. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.Evil D wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:21 am
Eh, I'll be honest it did seem that way to me, or at the very least you didn't really seem like you were open to having your mind changed. Sometimes when people ask questions like this they're actually looking for real justification, but your post(s) just seemed like you wanted to debate everyones' reasons for the knife costing what it does. This is one of those "you may not like the answer, but that doesn't make it less true" sort of deals. Many of the reasons you've been given are probably spot on whether you accept them or not, so having your mind changed is really something you need to allow to happen more than we need to change it for you.
People will say "why is a Sebenza a $450 knife?" and someone will tell them all about the machining and tolerances and explain that those extra manufacturing steps add up to a more expensive knife, and those people will still say the knife isn't worth $450 even when they've just been given the exact reason that the knife costs what it costs, and that's where a person is entitled to their own opinion, but opinions are only true to the individual and aren't facts.
See the second paragraph of that post lol. Yes I'm sure the name helps but show me a company machining knives to their tolerances that sells them for less.
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Re: Change my mind: the Shaman costs too much
Double postParaguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:12 pmExcept the egos on the manix are a thousand times better than that on the tenacious for me anyway.abbazaba wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:33 pmviewtopic.php?f=2&t=73611&p=1140036&hil ... g#p1140036
Lots of upgraded Tenacious options since that post...
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Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)