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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Halfneck » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:27 pm

Another vote for the Rhino. I did add a Bugout clip to mine though.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Doc Dan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 pm

JuPaul wrote:
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...I even offered him my brand new cruwear Delica, my Sun and Moon Chap, or my hawkbill dragonfly, but I still failed to get a Spyderco into my husband's pocket. He actually came to me wanting to look through my collection for a new knife - specifically for something small, slim, and really light that he could carry in his lightweight shorts. Alas, turns out he doesn't like backlocks, which rules out most of the small frn spydie lightweights (para3 lw was bigger than he wanted).

So I guess my point is, there's a gap in the spydie lineup that could be filled by something like a lil native lightweight comp lock, or a mini Manix lightweight.

Am I missing any other small non-backlock lightweight spydercos??
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Wartstein » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:51 pm

The Rhino seems to fit the bill pretty well indeed... in some dimensions it is actually very "Chaparral FRN-ish", while featuring a comp. lock instead of a backlock:

Same closed length, almost the same amount of edge (2.29 vs 2.35), just a bit heavier (and has a thicker blade, which I would not like)
But: Much shorter actual blade (2.37 vs 2.8), cause the Rhino has no choil.. so, just going by my male L to XL hands and assuming Julias husbands have roughly the same size, I figure the Rhino must be more or less a three finger knife, right? (Since the Chap would be just that for me without its choil to choke up on).

That does not have to be a bad thing, don´t get me wrong, but can be sufficient for the tasks such small knife gets used for!
Just something to consider. (But still amazing: The Chap, while having the exact same closed-/handle length as the Rhino, manages to fit a bit more edge AND a full sized finger choil into that same length handle..)
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Bloke » Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:38 am

Hey Julia, tell hubby to buy himself a Military and stop being a woose. :p
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby aicolainen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:00 am

Wartstein wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:03 pm
- Maybe you could lend him a small backlock knife for some time and he'll see if he gets used to that lock?
I really think this is the way to go, if you can convince him to try. Just judging from my own friends that are slightly knife interested, both the back lock and the Spyderco aesthetics isn't something that intuitively appeals to them. And it's often something that has to be experienced before they understand the beauty that lies beneath.

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Albatross » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:17 am

What about the Alcyone? It's a 2.9" blade, with a linerlock. The Ambitious has a 2.2" blade, also with a linerlock.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Wartstein » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:33 am

Albatross wrote:
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What about the Alcyone? It's a 2.9" blade, with a linerlock. The Ambitious has a 2.2" blade, also with a linerlock.

I thought of the Ambitious too already... but I am afraid both this and the Alcyone are not light enough for him, since the Lil Native comp. lock is not either... sounds like what he'd want is something like a DFly or Chap FRN, but with liner, comp. or CBB- lock...

Maybe even a fictional comp. lock Native LW or comp.lock Delica, since both have a slightly smaller footprint than the Para 3 LW (which is "too large" for him) and are a tad lighter?

Again, tough one...
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby M Sea » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:01 am

Para 3 LW ?
*edited, just read he wants something smaller*
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby JuPaul » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:35 am

Bloke wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:38 am
Hey Julia, tell hubby to buy himself a Military and stop being a woose. :p
😂 I definitely will.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby JuPaul » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:51 am

Wartstein wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:33 am
Albatross wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:17 am
What about the Alcyone? It's a 2.9" blade, with a linerlock. The Ambitious has a 2.2" blade, also with a linerlock.

I thought of the Ambitious too already... but I am afraid both this and the Alcyone are not light enough for him, since the Lil Native comp. lock is not either... sounds like what he'd want is something like a DFly or Chap FRN, but with liner, comp. or CBB- lock...

Maybe even a fictional comp. lock Native LW or comp.lock Delica, since both have a slightly smaller footprint than the Para 3 LW (which is "too large" for him) and are a tad lighter?

Again, tough one...
Yes. Something in that under 2-2.5 oz range seems to be the size he wants. Something for around the house in basketball shorts that won't flop around in his pocket. A chap, a dfly, or a lil native with frn AND a comp lock would be perfect.

The Lil'Native might do the trick even though it's not frn. Possibly the Rhino if he likes the trailing point blade.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby JD Spydo » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:51 am

I know what you said regarding locking systems but over the years the one model I've had success with getting "non-knife" type people to try and end up liking is the GOLDEN, CO NATIVE model. And at one time I had 4 of the ZDP-189 Delica models of which 3 of them I put in the hands of people that are not so enthusiastic about knives and I never had anyone want to give me one of those back either.

Those may not be what you're looking for but it's at least a place to start. Also I've noticed that a lot of guys and gals out of my era ( Jurrassic :o ) tend to like Spyderco models that oddly enough don't have a pocket clip. I guess the reason for that might be that it would remind them of "dad's" or "grandpa's" old Case folder :rolleyes: But do let us know how it works out.

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby tonijedi » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:00 am

Bloke wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:38 am
Hey Julia, tell hubby to buy himself a Military and stop being a woose. :p
Only because of the preference on the liner lock, otherwise a Tatanka would fit the bill...

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby JD Spydo » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:37 am

Bloke wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:38 am
Hey Julia, tell hubby to buy himself a Military and stop being a woose. :p
Hallelujah!!! I never thought I would ever hear Brother BLOKE singing the praises of a full sized, GOLDEN, CO made flagship Spyderco model !!! :) I wish you were right here in front of me Brother BLOKE I would give you a serious "HIGH FIVE" :cool:
Because you are not going to take on those Olive Pythons or a ticked off EMU bird with one of your "Ladybug" models :D

Hey another thing you might try Ms. Julia would be to start him out on a modest sized Spyderedged model. Something like a NATIVE, DragonFly, Harpy or just a "plain Jane" Delica for that matter. Because I'm finding that many non-knife people are starting to respond positively with a Spyderedged model of some sort for their first EDC.

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby bearrowland » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:39 am

My wife is the same way. I had a fairly decent sized collection of SAKs and other knives, in addition to my handful of Spyderco's, and she wouldn't budge from her Vic Classic.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby ChrisinHove » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:40 am

How about an Ambitious or an Efficient as a gateway model?

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby RustyIron » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:42 am

JuPaul wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:37 pm

Yeah, I should probably just go ahead and get him a Watu, and if he doesn't like it oh well, I guess I could take it if I had to.
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If I was looking for a small knife that wasn't a backlock, I'd definitely be looking at the Lil' Native. My wife and I, when faced with similar dilemmas, joke that we'll just get it engraved with "Homer." (Obscure reference to old Simpsons episode where Marge and Homer go though this sort of thing)

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby TkoK83Spy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:54 am

I'm going to commit a sin here and recommend something outside the Spyderco lineup, that I recently acquired...a Civivi Elementum. Small, lightweight, snappy action with the flipper, plenty of options on BHQ and also under $70 so it's not a big hit if he doesn't care for it much.

I haven't cut anything with mine yet, but I've carried it a few Saturdays and fidgeted with it a bit. I think it's a great deal for $63
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Donut » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:04 am

Everyone ignore what I'm about to say: I've been carrying an inexpensive Chinese made Kershaw Natrix as a "self defense knife that I won't mind if I lose it or destroy it" and it's not a terrible knife. I carry it with gym shorts and it's pretty light and a liner/frame lock.

I used to carry a G-10 UKPK Drop Point or a Carbon Fiber Dodo to the gym. Both are on the limit of how light a knife can get. There is minimal steel other than the blade and lock.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Evil D » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:12 am

I'm sorry I'm afraid there's only one solution here. Gotta divorce this guy and start over.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby JRinFL » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:13 am

JuPaul, your husband needs an intervention. Bring him here and we can all sit down and explain the Way of the Hole and True Path of the Lockback. :spyder:
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