The DAMAUKPK Project: Damasteel UK Penknife UKPK
- ChrisinHove
- Member
- Posts: 4078
- Joined: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:12 am
- Location: 27.2046° N, 77.4977° E
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
Hugin for me. I like the repeating pattern - it looks more deliberate.
- Superfool
- Member
- Posts: 390
- Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:48 pm
- Location: Troublemaker Class, UK, Earth
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
Good shout on the rose. It does not look great in person.
David
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020
- curlyhairedboy
- Member
- Posts: 2621
- Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:01 am
- Location: Southern New England
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
I happen to have a chunk of Bjorkman's twist Damasteel nearby (still trying to make a Damasteel Shaman happen), so this is what that pattern looks like in person:
I'm partial to it, haha!
I'm partial to it, haha!
EDC Rotation: PITS, Damasteel Urban, Shaman, Ikuchi, Amalgam, CruCarta Shaman, Sage 5 LW, Serrated Caribbean Sheepsfoot CQI, XHP Shaman, M4/Micarta Shaman, 15v Shaman
Fixed Blades: Proficient, Magnacut Mule
Special and Sentimental: Southard, Squarehead LW, Ouroboros, Calendar Para 3 LW, 40th Anniversary Native, Ti Native, Calendar Watu, Tanto PM2
Would like to own again: CQI Caribbean Sheepsfoot PE, Watu
Wishlist: Magnacut, Shaman Sprints!
Fixed Blades: Proficient, Magnacut Mule
Special and Sentimental: Southard, Squarehead LW, Ouroboros, Calendar Para 3 LW, 40th Anniversary Native, Ti Native, Calendar Watu, Tanto PM2
Would like to own again: CQI Caribbean Sheepsfoot PE, Watu
Wishlist: Magnacut, Shaman Sprints!
- Liquid Cobra
- Member
- Posts: 6491
- Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:38 pm
- Location: British Columbia, CANADA
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
I used to own a custom with Bjorkman's twist. It was very nice.
Most recently acquired: Military 2, Paramilitary 2 Tanto x2, YoJUMBO, Swayback, Siren, DLC Yojimbo 2, Native Chief, Shaman S90V, Para 3 LW, Ikuchi, UKPK, Smock, SUBVERT, Amalgam, Para 3 CTS-XHP, Kapara, Paramilitary 2 M390
Grail Paramilitary 2 M390 X 2! ACHIEVED!!
For more of my pictures see my Instagram account.
@liquid_cobra
Grail Paramilitary 2 M390 X 2! ACHIEVED!!
For more of my pictures see my Instagram account.
@liquid_cobra
- Superfool
- Member
- Posts: 390
- Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:48 pm
- Location: Troublemaker Class, UK, Earth
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
So, I have been looking at the patterns for most if today and I think I am liking Thor the most.
[*]https://damasteel.se/wp-content/uploads ... or-web.png
[*]https://damasteel.se/wp-content/uploads ... or-web.png
Last edited by Superfool on Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:53 am, edited 1 time in total.
David
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020
- bbturbodad
- Member
- Posts: 1180
- Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:18 am
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
No problem!
I personally like the following blades but it seems that blade size AND pattern need to be considered when choosing a pattern so that the blades come out somewhat uniform (unless that's not what most what) and some/many patterns loose their character on smaller blade stock.
Odins Eye looks great on the first blade but looses it on the small Victorinox blade IMO.
Gysinge
Odin Heim
and hard to argue with a tight Ladder
Edit:
I like Thor too...
-Turbo
- curlyhairedboy
- Member
- Posts: 2621
- Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:01 am
- Location: Southern New England
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
I've noticed that orientation also matters a bunch - for instance, many of the 40th anniversary natives have the Thor pattern in the vertical orientation, not following the handle to the tip. (Still an incredible knife!) I can only imagine the logistics necessary to arrange that in a factory environment, however.
EDC Rotation: PITS, Damasteel Urban, Shaman, Ikuchi, Amalgam, CruCarta Shaman, Sage 5 LW, Serrated Caribbean Sheepsfoot CQI, XHP Shaman, M4/Micarta Shaman, 15v Shaman
Fixed Blades: Proficient, Magnacut Mule
Special and Sentimental: Southard, Squarehead LW, Ouroboros, Calendar Para 3 LW, 40th Anniversary Native, Ti Native, Calendar Watu, Tanto PM2
Would like to own again: CQI Caribbean Sheepsfoot PE, Watu
Wishlist: Magnacut, Shaman Sprints!
Fixed Blades: Proficient, Magnacut Mule
Special and Sentimental: Southard, Squarehead LW, Ouroboros, Calendar Para 3 LW, 40th Anniversary Native, Ti Native, Calendar Watu, Tanto PM2
Would like to own again: CQI Caribbean Sheepsfoot PE, Watu
Wishlist: Magnacut, Shaman Sprints!
- Superfool
- Member
- Posts: 390
- Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:48 pm
- Location: Troublemaker Class, UK, Earth
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
David
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020
- Cambertree
- Member
- Posts: 1640
- Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:48 am
- Location: Victoria, Australia
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
I like the more organic looking patterns which look like burled wood grain, or ink dispersing in water, like the Odin, Thor, Bjorkman's Twist, and Vinland types.
I notice some of them have different steel grades and combos too. I'm going to have to research that a bit more.
I notice some of them have different steel grades and combos too. I'm going to have to research that a bit more.
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
I like the Ægir.
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
-Thomas Jefferson
-Thomas Jefferson
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
I imagine the Damasteel would be Damasteel DS93X martensitic, which is a combo of RWL34 (aka cpm-154 or PM ATS-34) and PMC-27 (aka PM 12C27).Cambertree wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:35 pmI like the more organic looking patterns which look like burled wood grain, or ink dispersing in water, like the Odin, Thor, Bjorkman's Twist, and Vinland types.
I notice some of them have different steel grades and combos too. I'm going to have to research that a bit more.
Damacore DC18N is a cladded steel with DS93X on outside and N11X (similar to Vanax) for the core. This would be cool, but it’s probably not what most people think of when they think of Damasteel damascus. It’s probably super spendy too.
Damasteel DS95X Austenitic is a damascus made with 304L and 316L stainless. Neither of which are very suitable for a high performance knife.
Neither Damasteel RWL34, nor Damasteel Nitrobe77 are damascus steels.
DS92X and DS96X are both designed to be used for gun barrels.
- Cambertree
- Member
- Posts: 1640
- Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:48 am
- Location: Victoria, Australia
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
Excellent info Fixall, thank you.fixall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:30 pmI imagine the Damasteel would be Damasteel DS93X martensitic, which is a combo of RWL34 (aka cpm-154 or PM ATS-34) and PMC-27 (aka PM 12C27).
Damacore DC18N is a cladded steel with DS93X on outside and N11X (similar to Vanax) for the core. This would be cool, but it’s probably not what most people think of when they think of Damasteel damascus. It’s probably super spendy too.
Damasteel DS95X Austenitic is a damascus made with 304L and 316L stainless. Neither of which are very suitable for a high performance knife.
Neither Damasteel RWL34, nor Damasteel Nitrobe77 are damascus steels.
DS92X and DS96X are both designed to be used for gun barrels.
Ah, so a given designation refers to both the dark and light steels used in that particular type. That makes sense.
I looked up the different DS grades on the Knife Steel Database app, and that would explain why they weren’t on there.
I’d be interested to hear of any comments on edge quality from people who have damasteel knives. Both RWL34 and PM 12C27 would be excellent knife steels, but they’d have different wear rates and slightly different hardening responses in heat treat, so I wonder if you’d get that ‘microserrated’ effect after a bit of use, like the way the classic damascus of old was supposed to behave?
- curlyhairedboy
- Member
- Posts: 2621
- Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:01 am
- Location: Southern New England
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
Thor is a fairly coarse pattern, and I can't say I've put enough miles on my 40th anniversary native to show any visible difference in wear. Something like a dense twist might perform better when it comes to edge behavior/microserrations.
EDC Rotation: PITS, Damasteel Urban, Shaman, Ikuchi, Amalgam, CruCarta Shaman, Sage 5 LW, Serrated Caribbean Sheepsfoot CQI, XHP Shaman, M4/Micarta Shaman, 15v Shaman
Fixed Blades: Proficient, Magnacut Mule
Special and Sentimental: Southard, Squarehead LW, Ouroboros, Calendar Para 3 LW, 40th Anniversary Native, Ti Native, Calendar Watu, Tanto PM2
Would like to own again: CQI Caribbean Sheepsfoot PE, Watu
Wishlist: Magnacut, Shaman Sprints!
Fixed Blades: Proficient, Magnacut Mule
Special and Sentimental: Southard, Squarehead LW, Ouroboros, Calendar Para 3 LW, 40th Anniversary Native, Ti Native, Calendar Watu, Tanto PM2
Would like to own again: CQI Caribbean Sheepsfoot PE, Watu
Wishlist: Magnacut, Shaman Sprints!
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
Happy to help. :)Cambertree wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:30 amExcellent info Fixall, thank you.fixall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:30 pmI imagine the Damasteel would be Damasteel DS93X martensitic, which is a combo of RWL34 (aka cpm-154 or PM ATS-34) and PMC-27 (aka PM 12C27).
Damacore DC18N is a cladded steel with DS93X on outside and N11X (similar to Vanax) for the core. This would be cool, but it’s probably not what most people think of when they think of Damasteel damascus. It’s probably super spendy too.
Damasteel DS95X Austenitic is a damascus made with 304L and 316L stainless. Neither of which are very suitable for a high performance knife.
Neither Damasteel RWL34, nor Damasteel Nitrobe77 are damascus steels.
DS92X and DS96X are both designed to be used for gun barrels.
Ah, so a given designation refers to both the dark and light steels used in that particular type. That makes sense.
I looked up the different DS grades on the Knife Steel Database app, and that would explain why they weren’t on there.
I’d be interested to hear of any comments on edge quality from people who have damasteel knives. Both RWL34 and PM 12C27 would be excellent knife steels, but they’d have different wear rates and slightly different hardening responses in heat treat, so I wonder if you’d get that ‘microserrated’ effect after a bit of use, like the way the classic damascus of old was supposed to behave?
I have a knife in Damasteel with the Dense Twist pattern but it hasn’t really gotten enough use yet to really get a feel for the steel’s properties.
Larrin of KnifeSteelNerds and his father Devin (a legend when it comes to damascus) did a catra edge retention with damascus using AEB-L (similar to 12c27) and 154cm and found the edge retention ended up splitting the difference between 12c27 and 154cm on their own (they used a ladder pattern to ensure the edge had the micro-serration pattern).
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2018/07/30/ ... cus-steel/
Last edited by fixall on Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:34 am, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Member
- Posts: 1559
- Joined: Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:36 pm
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
I would be down I love the drop point blade. I like the gysinge pattern
S30V, VG10, M4, XHP, BD1, Cruwear, Elmax, Maxamet, 204P, H1, K390, A11, Rex45, LC200N, M390, 20CV, BD1N, S45VN waiting to afford MagnaCut
- Superfool
- Member
- Posts: 390
- Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:48 pm
- Location: Troublemaker Class, UK, Earth
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
Hi everyone.
Last call for options on the handle before we go to preliminary poll.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87017
Please look at the list, and offer a suggestion if you dont see an option you have burning desires for.
Thank you.
Last call for options on the handle before we go to preliminary poll.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87017
Please look at the list, and offer a suggestion if you dont see an option you have burning desires for.
Thank you.
David
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
Pardon the sacrilegious picture, but I really like the Ægir pattern. It has a sort of ocean wave/undertow pattern.
Reminds me of Hawaii, for some reason.
(Sets rolling in)
Reminds me of Hawaii, for some reason.
(Sets rolling in)
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
-Thomas Jefferson
-Thomas Jefferson
- Cambertree
- Member
- Posts: 1640
- Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:48 am
- Location: Victoria, Australia
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
fixall wrote: Happy to help. :)
I have a knife in Damasteel with the Dense Twist pattern but it hasn’t really gotten enough use yet to really get a feel for the steel’s properties.
Larrin of KnifeSteelNerds and his father Devin (a legend when it comes to damascus) did a catra edge retention with damascus using AEB-L (similar to 12c27) and 154cm and found the edge retention ended up splitting the difference between 12c27 and 154cm on their own (they used a ladder pattern to ensure the edge had the micro-serration pattern).
curlyhairedboy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:35 amThor is a fairly coarse pattern, and I can't say I've put enough miles on my 40th anniversary native to show any visible difference in wear. Something like a dense twist might perform better when it comes to edge behavior/microserrations.
Thanks Fixall and Curly, those are good points about different patterns probably exhibiting that ‘micro serrated’ effect more than others.
I suppose you’d have to get a fair bit of wear, or have the edge ground fairly thin to see the effect at all.
- Superfool
- Member
- Posts: 390
- Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:48 pm
- Location: Troublemaker Class, UK, Earth
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
David
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020
- Superfool
- Member
- Posts: 390
- Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:48 pm
- Location: Troublemaker Class, UK, Earth
Re: Damascus UK Penknife UKPK
DAMAUKPK damasteel options prepoll vote HERE: https://forum.spyderco.com/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p1433972
Please come and vote for you first, second and least favourite options, as per the guide.
Thanks, David
Please come and vote for you first, second and least favourite options, as per the guide.
Thanks, David
David
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020
Always outnumbered; never outgunned.
Proud member of Sal's Troublemaker Class since July 2020