Spyderco factory choice
Spyderco factory choice
Hey folks,
Looking at the wide variety of designs, I was wondering why certain models weren't made in the Golden factory.
Take the Police for example. Many of us know it's a Sald design, carried by a lot of officers, but outside of the steel, why is it specifically made in Japan ? Considering the expansion of the K390 line-up, wouldn't it be cheaper to have the steel shipped to the US and worked on and applied to other models there ?
Is there some sort of deal or specific arrangement that dictates where each and every model is made ?
I.e. I know that FRN molds are more expensive to make but are ultimately affordable in the long run, which explains some LW variants coming out of Golden.
Tl;dr : why can't some models be made simultaneously in different factories ?
Looking at the wide variety of designs, I was wondering why certain models weren't made in the Golden factory.
Take the Police for example. Many of us know it's a Sald design, carried by a lot of officers, but outside of the steel, why is it specifically made in Japan ? Considering the expansion of the K390 line-up, wouldn't it be cheaper to have the steel shipped to the US and worked on and applied to other models there ?
Is there some sort of deal or specific arrangement that dictates where each and every model is made ?
I.e. I know that FRN molds are more expensive to make but are ultimately affordable in the long run, which explains some LW variants coming out of Golden.
Tl;dr : why can't some models be made simultaneously in different factories ?
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I'm sure there's a lot of things that factor into the decision of where a certain model will be made. My guess is production capacity is a biggie. Capability of the various makers and origin of the blade steels are likely considerations as well. I'm sure there's a lot more to it that us ELUs will probably ever know.
Making the same model in two different factories doesn't seem like it would be a good idea IMO. Now you have two different countries of origin for the same model? Seems like that would cause a lot of issues to me
Making the same model in two different factories doesn't seem like it would be a good idea IMO. Now you have two different countries of origin for the same model? Seems like that would cause a lot of issues to me
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Just my WAG is that there are significant costs associated with doing so... from costs of steels being imported first off, like shipping V-Toku2 to the Italy, or Elmax to Japan, there's a reason Elmax is only seen in models from Italy (with one Exclusive exception) or why Japanese sourced steels are generally only seen in Seki models. Plus the costs of molds, machining everything required per model is a crazy expensive proposition... duplicating that process would likely far outstrip the possible benefits of being able to make one model at two different locations.... but this is just my WAG, I could be wrong, and I am sure logistically there's a ton more to it, but I'd wager this is a pretty big part of it....
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I believe that at one point in the 90s, all Spydercos were made in Japan. The other factories are a relatively modern thing, I believe. Spyderco tries to keep their models with the original maker, Sal has a Japanese word for this ethic, I can't recall it now.
The other thing to keep in mind is that tooling is expensive, and often difficult to ship. Once you've tooled up to make the Police, shipping some extra steel over the sea is much easier than shipping the tooling back and forth.
There are a couple of exceptions; the Native I believe was originally produced in the USA, then in Japan, but has been back in the USA for quite awhile now. I'm not sure the how and why of exceptions like this.
The other thing to keep in mind is that tooling is expensive, and often difficult to ship. Once you've tooled up to make the Police, shipping some extra steel over the sea is much easier than shipping the tooling back and forth.
There are a couple of exceptions; the Native I believe was originally produced in the USA, then in Japan, but has been back in the USA for quite awhile now. I'm not sure the how and why of exceptions like this.
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You would ultimately end up with a debate about which is better. Consider the Austrian vs USA made Glocks for example, even though they're held to the same standards people still debate it. We even have a debate already about which Spyderco factory puts out the best fit and finish.
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Hi ThomC,
It's really not practical for many of the reasons mentioned and a few others not mentioned. The word Kennethsime was seeking is "giri" which is a very strong type of loyalty that is respected by most makers.
sal
It's really not practical for many of the reasons mentioned and a few others not mentioned. The word Kennethsime was seeking is "giri" which is a very strong type of loyalty that is respected by most makers.
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Spyderco and its longtime makers are intertwined like two vines mutually supporting each other as they grow. I’m guessing Sal has known some of the Japanese makers for several decades.
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Hi JR,
In Japan, I worked with the grandfather and the father and Eric is working with the grandson. Since 1980. We've been working with our Taipei maker for about 25 years. Eric is now working with the son, I worked with the father. Our Taichung maker was an experienced start up that we've been working with for 20 years. We know the parents and watched the children grow up. I worked with Te father with Fox in Maniago, now we work with the son.
It's really far more involved than just making knives.
sal
In Japan, I worked with the grandfather and the father and Eric is working with the grandson. Since 1980. We've been working with our Taipei maker for about 25 years. Eric is now working with the son, I worked with the father. Our Taichung maker was an experienced start up that we've been working with for 20 years. We know the parents and watched the children grow up. I worked with Te father with Fox in Maniago, now we work with the son.
It's really far more involved than just making knives.
sal
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Re: Spyderco factory choice
If this forum had an upvote feature I would be upvoting this post so hard right now. A lot of companies these days make good folding knives (and to be honest, a lot of them can sell their knives for much cheaper than Spyderco), but the reason I go for Spyderco models time and again beyond the excellence of their unique designs and the quality of their production is the knowledge that I am supporting a business run by good people, who are able to see beyond the bottom line.sal wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:27 pmHi JR,
In Japan, I worked with the grandfather and the father and Eric is working with the grandson. Since 1980. We've been working with our Taipei maker for about 25 years. Eric is now working with the son, I worked with the father. Our Taichung maker was an experienced start up that we've been working with for 20 years. We know the parents and watched the children grow up. I worked with Te father with Fox in Maniago, now we work with the son.
It's really far more involved than just making knives.
sal
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So it's basically a loyalty and a family thing. I appreciate the answer.
It just goes to show that there are still businesses willing to commit to such values.
I have a lot of love for Spyderco products, but so far didn't know much of the company's ethics (outside of the integrity thing). I'm glad to support you guys !
It just goes to show that there are still businesses willing to commit to such values.
I have a lot of love for Spyderco products, but so far didn't know much of the company's ethics (outside of the integrity thing). I'm glad to support you guys !
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Do all injection-molded knives get made in Japan?
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I don't think so : the Para 3, Native and Manix have LW versions made in Golden.
European amateur knife enthusiast
Hikes and outdoors galore
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In the knoife box : M4 Millie, Spyderco Perrin Street Bowie, TOPS Tanimboca
In the future : CE/SE/Rex45/MagnaCut Millie, K2, Slysz Bowie, linerlock Sage
Hikes and outdoors galore
Motorcycle enthusiast
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In the future : CE/SE/Rex45/MagnaCut Millie, K2, Slysz Bowie, linerlock Sage
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Hi DJ Moonbat,
We Make injected molded knives in all countries with whom we work.
sal
We Make injected molded knives in all countries with whom we work.
sal