Price difference between FRN lw and G10 on same models is very different

[archangel]

Has anyone noticed? Was this discussed?

Upcoming Rex45 sprints, Manix2
MSRP of FRN lw: $175
MSRP of G10: $180

Native 5 S110V
MSRP of FRN lw: $200
MSRP of G10: $265

Why's the G10 version so much more expensive compared to the FRN lw on the N5? Or the other way around: how can Spyderco offer the G10 version of the Manix2 just 5 bucks more? :confused:

Those are really good prices on all the Rex45 sprints by the way. Stock up you guys! :)

[Brock O Lee]

My guess is some models cross-subsidize others.

[Wartstein]

Has anyone noticed? Was this discussed?

Upcoming Rex45 sprints, Manix2
MSRP of FRN lw: $175
MSRP of G10: $180

Native 5 S110V
MSRP of FRN lw: $200
MSRP of G10: $265

Why's the G10 version so much more expensive compared to the FRN lw on the N5? Or the other way around: how can Spyderco offer the G10 version of the Manix2 just 5 bucks more? :confused:

Those are really good prices on all the Rex45 sprints by the way. Stock up you guys! :)

Manix LW is FRCP, not FRN, maybe the former is more expensive for some reason? Don't know.

[archangel]

What's FRCP? :confused: Why have I missed this?

[Evil D]

Between those two models I'm going to guess it has something to do with the Native being a screw together construction vs the Manix being pinned. It probably makes the molds more expensive and maybe there's added labor to assemble them.

[Bdubs808]

What's FRCP? :confused: Why have I missed this?

Fiberglass reinforced co-polymer
Used on the Manix LW only, as far as I know.

[Wartstein]

What's FRCP? :confused: Why have I missed this?

FRCP: "Fibre glass reinforced co-polymer" (FRN: "Fibre glass reinforced nylon)
- As fas as I am aware of exclusivly used on the Manix LW.
- Some say FRCP can be made translucent (like on the blue Manix LW), FRN not (no idea of that is true).
- Just from the "feel in hand" to me FRCP feels a littel "harder" more "plasticy" than FRN, and as if it would chip more easily (again, just the feel in hand, never had either FRCP nor FRN chip on me, even when dropping the knife hard on concrete or the like) - I personally slightly prefer FRN.

EDIT: And you have missed this because, as I know, you´re not into LW models generally, right?

[VooDooChild]

Well the msrp for the rex45 natives are.
G10-$235
Ltwt-$160

So thats an even bigger price difference on the native side. BUT does make the lightweight native 5 rex45 the cheapest of all of them.

Msrp for s110v manix 2 is.
G10-$245
Ltwt-$205

Which is alot closer to the price difference of the native 5.

No idea why the g10 manix 2 rex45 has almost no markup though.

[cali]

It is called pricing. The goal is to maximize profit, not sales.

[jabba359]

I had noticed that pricing gap as well the other day and was surprised nobody was discussing it. I thought maybe KC had made a typo (since that was where I noticed the only $5 difference on the Manix 2), so checked the reveal on the Spyderco app and found the same pricing.

[archangel]

So maybe FRCN is closer to the price level of G10. Different construction might play a part as well. Cross subsidizing - very good point.

[Albatross]

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[pantagana23]

I don't think Natives are done in FRN, but FRCP. I believe all the the new handles being wider and skeletonized are FRCP.

Though the spec says FRN for Natives handle, I vaguely remember I've read in the forums that newer version is from FRCP (FRN material feels more rubbery on the hand and is matte, FRCP is more plastic and shiny).

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I know that specs say one thing, but remember the discussion of FRN and FRCP

[dan31]

They are 2 very different knives when it comes to parts and labor. The G10 requires more time in assembly and adjustment. The native 5 lock has extremely tight tolerances. I would think the majority of difference is in the assembly and then the machining of the G10 parts. I think the G10 is worth the price difference. If it’s just a work knife go from LW.

[dan31]

They are 2 very different knives when it comes to parts and labor. The G10 requires more time in assembly and adjustment. The native 5 lock has extremely tight tolerances. I would think the majority of difference is in the assembly and then the machining of the G10 parts. I think the G10 is worth the price difference. If it’s just a work knife go for the LW.

[sal]

It is called pricing. The goal is to maximize profit, not sales.

Hi Cali,

That is not the way we do business. We believe that to charge as much as the market will bare is to bite the hand that feeds you. We work on relatively fixed margins that we need to run our business and take care of our staff. I suggest you re-evaluate your premises.

sal

[The Deacon]

- Just from the "feel in hand" to me FRCP feels a littel "harder" more "plasticy" than FRN, and as if it would chip more easily (again, just the feel in hand, never had either FRCP nor FRN chip on me, even when dropping the knife hard on concrete or the like) - I personally slightly prefer FRN.

FWIW, have seen photos where someone trying to spread the handle of an FRCP Manix LW apart to change blades cracked it, while I've taken an FRN handle slab from an Atlantic Salt that was cut apart to use as templates for a custom handle and bent it till the ends met.

[cali]

Hi Cali,

That is not the way we do business. We believe that to charge as much as the market will bare is to bite the hand that feeds you. We work on relatively fixed margins that we need to run our business and take care of our staff. I suggest you re-evaluate your premises.

sal

Hi Sal,
It was provocative, I know, sorry for that. On the other hand if you maintain the margin over time (I hope it is much higher than distributors), and you do not have to optimize cost to sell the product, there is no problem.
That was also provocative, sorry, but for me a lot of prices is well above the value, but I still would like to buy a Spyderco knife from time to time.

[TomAiello]

Honestly it looks to me (from the outside) like Spyderco is discounting some models to get them into people's hands (Manix 2 LW for example). It's weird that people are complaining when a model is inexpensive. They compare it to another (normally priced) model and want that other model discounted too.

In the end, it's all first world problems. If you're in the market for a knife that costs more than a few dollars, you're well enough off that complaining about price is pretty silly.

[jabba359]

Honestly it looks to me (from the outside) like Spyderco is discounting some models to get them into people's hands (Manix 2 LW for example). It's weird that people are complaining when a model is inexpensive. They compare it to another (normally priced) model and want that other model discounted too.

In the end, it's all first world problems. If you're in the market for a knife that costs more than a few dollars, you're well enough off that complaining about price is pretty silly.

Maybe you should reread all the posts. I don't see anyone complaining about an inexpensive model. Just observations of surprise by how small the Manix price difference is in relation to other models, as generally going from a "cheaper" handle material to G-10 results in a much larger price gap.