Taking apart knives - part 2

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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby steelcity16 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:21 pm

jpm2 wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:38 pm

Not to nitpick, but my native maxamet is not pinned. Did you mean the manix lw?

Ha, I must have blacked out during my lengthy post...yes...I meant the Manix LW. Lol. I edited my post to correct.

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Again... nitpicking.... some of us (... maybe just me) use our top tier knives just as we would any knife... a knife is a knife is a knife, a tool, some are better than others, just like any tool... (unpopular opinion).

I prefer to break mine down for cleaning and repair.

No, you arent the only one. If I am out I will use my knives for whatever task is at hand, regardless of the one in my pocket at that time. I use my sprints and exclusives the same as my basic Salts and others. If I am at home I choose the one that I feel will work best for the task based on the blade length/shape and steel.

Like you I prefer to break them down as well if they are really grimy. Especially on a rust prone steel. I definitely wouldn't want a pinned folder with 52100 or M4. Though if BHQ did a Jade FRCP DLC M4 Manix LW I would probably have to get one and just relegate it to letter opening duty! :D
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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby Forcite » Wed May 15, 2019 3:34 pm

I don't feel like I really own a knife until I've taken apart a knife, tuned it, and sharpened it. I don't need to it, but it makes me happy.

In terms of returning a knife that has been disassembled, the only time I would consider it acceptable is if a defect was discovered during disassembly. In which case the knife should be returned as defective, not as a simple return. Otherwise my mistakes are my problem.

I ordered a ZDP Dragonfly once from Amazon and they delivered a VG-10 version in the ZDP box. I guess someone decided to pull one over on Amazon... not cool.

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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby loadedquestion » Fri May 31, 2019 2:27 pm

Hello Forum,
I took apart my Yojimbo 2 to install custom scales.
The problem is two fold. I cant loosen the pivot. And the clip screws are stripped.
What should I do?

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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby TazKristi » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:56 pm

loadedquestion wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 2:27 pm
Hello Forum,
I took apart my Yojimbo 2 to install custom scales.
The problem is two fold. I cant loosen the pivot. And the clip screws are stripped.
What should I do?
Hi, loadedquestion:
Your question about your Yojimbo 2 is likely better in its own thread (like the one you've posted). Please see my reply there.

Thanks much!

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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby Pelagic » Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:04 pm

I like screws and will never buy a fully pinned model. If a knife is good within the first week, I'll never send it in to spyderco. I will deal with any issues myself. So basically, I have virtually zero intentions of using the warranty, I just want to be able to take apart my knives as I wish. It's strange to me to purchase parts you cannot access on something as simple as a knife.
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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby vivi » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:09 pm

Pelagic wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:04 pm
I like screws and will never buy a fully pinned model. If a knife is good within the first week, I'll never send it in to spyderco. I will deal with any issues myself. So basically, I have virtually zero intentions of using the warranty, I just want to be able to take apart my knives as I wish. It's strange to me to purchase parts you cannot access on something as simple as a knife.
brother this is one of the reasons I almost never carry my Calypso. It's pinned, and I'm afraid of getting the liners to start rusting. If I can do that with my VG10 Police 3, I can do it with the Calypso. Difference is I can't take it down and sand it out.

Probably going to put it on the trade block before too long, which is a shame because it's an incredible design.

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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:53 pm

Pelagic wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:04 pm
I like screws and will never buy a fully pinned model. If a knife is good within the first week, I'll never send it in to spyderco. I will deal with any issues myself. So basically, I have virtually zero intentions of using the warranty, I just want to be able to take apart my knives as I wish. It's strange to me to purchase parts you cannot access on something as simple as a knife.
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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby cbrstar » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:15 pm

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I bought this used from the pawnshop yesterday at a huge discount...($65 US)

I have to say it's not a knife I would never have bought new for the $200+ original price, or the $132 current price all because of the pins/rivets!!!! I know S110V is a premium steel but again the inability to take this apart and clean it is just an awful idea on a knife this expensive. Endura's and Delica's etc have no problems getting screws so why is the Manix line intentionally sabotaged?

The action on this is way better then the regular Manix LW, I believe this is due to the bronze washers and pivot screws. But the rivets make the knife feel like it was built half assed

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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby salimoneus » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:20 pm

cbrstar wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:15 pm
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I bought this used from the pawnshop yesterday at a huge discount...($65 US)

I have to say it's not a knife I would never have bought new for the $200+ original price, or the $132 current price all because of the pins/rivets!!!! I know S110V is a premium steel but again the inability to take this apart and clean it is just an awful idea on a knife this expensive. Endura's and Delica's etc have no problems getting screws so why is the Manix line intentionally sabotaged?

The action on this is way better then the regular Manix LW, I believe this is due to the bronze washers and pivot screws. But the rivets make the knife feel like it was built half assed
Surely this has been asked and answered before, but what was the main motivation for using pins in this knife design as opposed to screws?

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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby Modernflame » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:43 pm

I'm late to the party, but I'd like to post my thoughts here. I respect the opinions of those who do not think that folding knives require disassembly, but there is subjectivity here. I have a 15 year old (ish) Endura and the action is full of schmutz. It's awful. Can I still open it and cut things? Yes, but I never use it. I'm not overly picky about dialing in a free swinging action, but this one is very unpleasant and lives in a junk drawer.

More recently, I've bought a couple of PM2s and they are magnificent. While I don't think that folding knives need to be disassembled and tuned obsessively, I do think that an often used pocket knife needs at least an annual tear down and clean up. I'm able to do that with the PM2s,but the screws are soft and and clearly not intended for multiple touches from the torx bit. I'd like to see better screws, perhaps with a larger head for a flat head screw driver. I would also be willing to pay a premium price for a parts kit containing all of the screws, stop pin, washers, etc, even if this merchandise were not available for every model.

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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby sal » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:12 am

Hi Modernflame,

Welcome to our forum and thanks for sharing your opinion. We are constantly monitoring the situation and treat each case individually. We do find that many that take apart knives are really not qualified to do so and expect Spyderco to cover their errors and lost parts. Something that is really difficult for us to do. Thanx for your interest and support.

We do have a very competent customer service department and you are always welcome to send you knife in for repairs.

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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby Modernflame » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:28 pm

Thanks for taking the time to respond, Sal. I certainly don't think Spyderco should be required to shoulder the burden of that cost. Your open mindedness is appreciated.
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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby vivi » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:15 pm

I've stopped buying pinned folders that aren't salts. I know I'll eventually rust the liners, and without a way to rectify the issue, it will spread in time.

That's the only reason I don't carry my Calypso sprint more than once or twice a year. Love the design, but scared to rust the insides with frequent carry.

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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby Modernflame » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:32 pm

Interesting. Are rusted steel liners a common problem? It occurred to me that it is possible, so I have a thin coat of 10 wt nano oil behind the nested liners on my PM2s. Seems like it would take a lot of water.
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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby vivi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:26 pm

Modernflame wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:32 pm
Interesting. Are rusted steel liners a common problem? It occurred to me that it is possible, so I have a thin coat of 10 wt nano oil behind the nested liners on my PM2s. Seems like it would take a lot of water.
Don't know if its a widespread issue, buts its always been a problem for me.

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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby curlyhairedboy » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:07 pm

A few thoughts based on recent experiences...

Based on my experience with Spyderco's warranty and repair department, they definitely know what they're doing. Email contact is great!

Also, picked up a factory second Yojimbo recently that had lots of blade play. I knew that going in and was prepared to maybe do some significant work to try and fix it, but upon opening it up, the problem was due to a D-shaped pivot bushing inserted backwards (D-shape facing the wrong liner). Turning it around the right way solved every problem.

Those of us who know what we're doing can put a knife back together right, but that's certainly not every spyderco end user.
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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby MichaelScott » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:14 pm

ALL of my folding knives are pinned, except my Chaparral. I expect them to outlast me.
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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby Modernflame » Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:55 pm

Vivi wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:26 pm
Don't know if its a widespread issue, buts its always been a problem for me.
That is a little scary. Since my last post, I've added a thick coat of 85 wt nano oil to the underside of those nested liners. Because the screws will not likely tolerate much more in the way of disassembly, I think this will be all I can do in the service of these knives.

I've got my eye on a Spydie Chef. If I can't repeatedly disassemble and maintain my Spydercos, as I would, say, a Chris Reeve knife, then I'd like one that isn't afraid of a good bath.
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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby BLUETYPEII » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:52 pm

Done
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Re: Taking apart knives - part 2

Postby emanuel » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:38 am

I personally prefer screwed construction for reasons already mentioned, but I have no issue with pinned construction as long as no steel liners are used (for ex Manix LW Maxamet). Cleaning is a bit difficult but it can be done, so far I had no issues with rust in there at all and oil can easily be spread in the joint area and remove any extra with a tin paper towel edge. I remove any kind of gunk in there the same way.


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