Wartstein,
No, not at all. Admired that you are highly conscientious and respectful with it.
CG
Wartstein,
That was quite decent of you!James Y wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:23 amI just returned 2 extra knives to Knifeworks. They had accidentally doubled up my order, but they hadn’t charged me for the extra knives. The knives in question were a G10 Manix 2 DLC, and a Salt 2 Wharncliffe. The only time I handled the two extra knives were to examine them and compare them to the ones I ultimately kept. I didn’t cut anything, or do anything else with them, only handled them for less than a minute each. I replaced them into their boxes, repacked them in the box they came in, along with the foam stuffing stuff, and contacted Knifeworks. They emailed me a return label a few days later, then I sent them back. Simple as that.
This was the only time I’ve ever returned a knife to a dealer. I haven’t experienced any flaws, because when ordering, I always do so over the phone, and request that before shipping, they examine the knife(s) to ensure it’s free of certain pre-listed flaws. So I’ve never gotten a knife that had any of those pre-listed flaws.
Jim
Don't want to derail the thread (which I started... :p ), but I just have to say: Those two in fact ARE among the best folders ever imho! You did choose very well, though I found the ZDP Endura a bit hard to sharpen, so I finally went with the HAP 40 model. Other than that: Perfect knife. As is the Endela in SE. :)
If you bought something from Wal-Mart, and afterwards discovered that it didn't meet your needs or wants as you expected, would you not return it? (Of course assuming that you do not use or tinker with it, and that functionally there is nothing wrong with the product, just that it didn't meet your needs as you hoped it would've and wish to try something different.)Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:44 pm
To me returning a knife just because you do not like something is not acceptable, there must be a flaw otherwise I just suck it up take my losses and hope to recover most of my principal selling on eBay.
Bingo! My opinion as well. If the seller offers the option, it's not wrong or disgraceful to invoke it.Brackish wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:09 pmIn my personal opinion, ethics don’t enter into the equation. Purchasing an item from a seller is entering into a contract with that seller. If they include the option to return an item that is unwanted in the contract and I return that item because it’s unwanted, I’m still honoring that contract. So, I see zero issues with it.
The only time I see ethics being a factor would be a situation where someone carries a knife for a period of time, decides they don’t like it, and then try and return it as new. But again, that’s all subject to the specific terms agreed upon by the seller and the buyer at the time of purchase.
I bought the Endela SE based on your experience. I used a SE Mariner everyday for 4 years in the service. It’s the FFG SE that is so appealing. That and the Endela is a really nice knife.Wartstein wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:17 pmDon't want to derail the thread (which I started... :p ), but I just have to say: Those two in fact ARE among the best folders ever imho! You did choose very well, though I found the ZDP Endura a bit hard to sharpen, so I finally went with the HAP 40 model. Other than that: Perfect knife. As is the Endela in SE. :)
Based on my experience? : I am really glad you like it! :)dan31 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:32 pmI bought the Endela SE based on your experience. I use to use SE Mariner everyday for 4 years in the service. It’s the FFG SE that is so appealing. That and the Endela is a really nice knife.Wartstein wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:17 pmDon't want to derail the thread (which I started... :p ), but I just have to say: Those two in fact ARE among the best folders ever imho! You did choose very well, though I found the ZDP Endura a bit hard to sharpen, so I finally went with the HAP 40 model. Other than that: Perfect knife. As is the Endela in SE. :)
ZDP-189 is great steel. Waiting for Endela in ZDP.
Most honorable of you. [where's the thumbs up here]James Y wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:23 amI just returned 2 extra knives to Knifeworks. They had accidentally doubled up my order, but they hadn’t charged me for the extra knives. The knives in question were a G10 Manix 2 DLC, and a Salt 2 Wharncliffe. The only time I handled the two extra knives were to examine them and compare them to the ones I ultimately kept. I didn’t cut anything, or do anything else with them, only handled them for less than a minute each. I replaced them into their boxes, repacked them in the box they came in, along with the foam stuffing stuff, and contacted Knifeworks. They emailed me a return label a few days later, then I sent them back. Simple as that.
This was the only time I’ve ever returned a knife to a dealer. I haven’t experienced any flaws, because when ordering, I always do so over the phone, and request that before shipping, they examine the knife(s) to ensure it’s free of certain pre-listed flaws. So I’ve never gotten a knife that had any of those pre-listed flaws.
Jim
Part of it is that I just don't feel the retailer is responsible for me not liking a knife I bought. Plus I am going to have to pack it up and ship it out, so I just hold on to them and sell eventually on BF or ebay. I know I could, in some cases send it back without the retailer hassling me, but now someone else is going to get an opened and returned knife that they may suspect was returned for a perceived flaw.Wartstein wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:23 amMay I ask: If you know "in seconds if a knife is going to be a keeper " (or not),so if you JUST hold it in hands for very short and do less than quality control does : Why do you 100 % NOT allow yourself to return it to the dealer, even if the dealer officially has the respective return policy and you pay for that service?araneae wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:49 amI return if there's a legit issue on an unused knife. I'm currently sitting on a small pile I need to sell that I received and just didn't love for some reason. I don't return for buyers remorse. I generally know in seconds if the knife is going to be a keeper. Unfortunately I have almost no physical local Spyderco dealers and the one I have only carries about 5 models.
I've seen way too many posts here of people that buy a knife, aren't happy, tinker with said knife trying to "fix" it and then return it. Not cool. If it's not up to par upon opening, send it back. Buy from a dealer that has a clear and fair return policy and you have no worries.
For a long time I did exactly like this/like you do, and it felt more like a "question of honor". But then I thought: Just to have the possibility of returning a Spyderco in the back of my mind atually makes me buy and support Spyderco MORE, and I´d never return a knife that would have been "used" by any means (again, not even touching the blade other than the opening hole) anyway...
That was quite decent of you!
Most honorable of you. [where's the thumbs up here]
On the one hand that is a very honorable attitude, and I mean it (I was that 100% strict when it came to ordering knives myself for the longest time).araneae wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:15 pmPart of it is that I just don't feel the retailer is responsible for me not liking a knife I bought. Plus I am going to have to pack it up and ship it out, so I just hold on to them and sell eventually on BF or ebay. I know I could, in some cases send it back without the retailer hassling me, but now someone else is going to get an opened and returned knife that they may suspect was returned for a perceived flaw.
Thanks for your reply!Tucson Tom wrote: It sounds like you are asking if people on the forum feel it is ethical to order a model just so you can handle it and see if you like it.
I certainly would not do this. And most models I am interested are not available in any stores where I could go check them out either. The stores in my area only have a few mainstream Spyderco models and doggone few at that. And even then, you have to ask if it is ethical to go into a store to handle a knife and then go order it online. Which is another question altogether. I only handled a Shaman when I got the first one I ordered earlier this year.
But I only return things, online or otherwise if it is defective in some way.
This discussion turns out to have many facets for me:Tucson Tom wrote: It sounds like you are asking if people on the forum feel it is ethical to order a model just so you can handle it and see if you like it.
I certainly would not do this. .....