Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

[benben]

So what's the consensus on PD1? I know a good while back Calavera Cutlery stopped using 3V and started using PD1 in their El Patron folder, just curious the opinions of those here who's tried it?

[jpm2]

Odd they're still available, considering all the requests for cruwear.

[Cambertree]

Yeah, makes me think that part of the market appetite for Cruwear is similar to the hype for M390 a while ago which didn't extend to CTS-204P and CPM 20CV.

It's a Cruwear/Zwear analogue from Carpenter. I haven't tried it, but I've been favorably impressed by all the Carpenter steels I've used.

[JuPaul]

So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.

[The Meat man]

So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.

Carpenter's PD#1 is a powder steel. They don't call it "CPM" obviously because that is a trademark; their term for it is "Micro-Melt". It's the same technology though.

[JuPaul]

So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.

Carpenter's PD#1 is a powder steel. They don't call it "CPM" obviously because that is a trademark; their term for it is "Micro-Melt". It's the same technology though.

So it'd have the same enhanced toughness, for example, as CPM Cruwear over regular Cruwear? In that case, bring on that mule! Oh wait...i just spent all my money on discontinued knives.

[The Meat man]

So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.

Carpenter's PD#1 is a powder steel. They don't call it "CPM" obviously because that is a trademark; their term for it is "Micro-Melt". It's the same technology though.

So it'd have the same enhanced toughness, for example, as CPM Cruwear over regular Cruwear? In that case, bring on that mule! Oh wait...i just spent all my money on discontinued knives.

It should, yes. I actually have a PD#1 Mule but I haven't finished making the handles yet. I have a couple slabs of ebony wood I'm planning to use. Might be a good project for this winter.

[tjsblade]

I've been using a PD#1 mule in the kitchen for about 4 months. I certainly have other knives that are made specifically for kitchen duties but having it in the same location as my kitchen knives reminds me to use it regularly. Overall I'm really liking it. It is surprisingly stain / corrosion resistant. I have some very, very minor patina but I let it sit for a long time in acidic foods before I get around to washing it. An hour or two after food prep.
One factory side was almost bang on 15 dps. The other side had a lot of variation along the length of the bevel. I ended up re-profiling it on a Wicked edge at 14dps.
I can get the steel sticky sharp without too much effort and I'm happy thus far with how long the edge lasts. I cut almost exclusively on a Hinoki cutting board so the blade isn't hitting anything really that would be hard on the edge. This is probably lending to the longevity of the working edge.

[Shaggy Dog]

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[Cambertree]

So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.

Carpenter's PD#1 is a powder steel. They don't call it "CPM" obviously because that is a trademark; their term for it is "Micro-Melt". It's the same technology though.

So it'd have the same enhanced toughness, for example, as CPM Cruwear over regular Cruwear? In that case, bring on that mule! Oh wait...i just spent all my money on discontinued knives.

Ha ha I feel your pain! Yeah, part of the reason why CPM Cruwear tends to just be referred to as Cruwear is that the ingot versions are no longer made, so there's no chance of confusing the two.

[dj moonbat]

I'm sure it's good. Cru-Wear is good, and PD1, as noted above, is the same basic stuff.

[sal]

Interesting stuff about Mule Teams might be coming. :cool: :p

sal

[TomAiello]

Interesting stuff about Mule Teams might be coming. :cool: :p

sal

:)

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[JuPaul]

So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.

Carpenter's PD#1 is a powder steel. They don't call it "CPM" obviously because that is a trademark; their term for it is "Micro-Melt". It's the same technology though.

So it'd have the same enhanced toughness, for example, as CPM Cruwear over regular Cruwear? In that case, bring on that mule! Oh wait...i just spent all my money on discontinued knives.

Ha ha I feel your pain! Yeah, part of the reason why CPM Cruwear tends to just be referred to as Cruwear is that the ingot versions are no longer made, so there's no chance of confusing the two.

And this is why I like this forum...I learn something new every day!

[Mattysc42]

Interesting stuff about Mule Teams might be coming. :cool: :p

sal

This comment, the mention of more k390, along with the multiple shaman variants have made my year.

[standy99]

Bought the CPM 20CV and the PD#1 mule

M390 and Cruwear comparisons would be right.

PD#1 stayed sharp for the longest

[Cambertree]

And this is why I like this forum...I learn something new every day!

Same here, my friend, it's a great learning resource!

Bought the CPM 20CV and the PD#1 mule

M390 and Cruwear comparisons would be right.

PD#1 stayed sharp for the longest

Good one Standy, so you've had 'em in action for a while?

How did the PD1 Mule perform regarding corrosion resistance up there in the tropical north?

Any other comments regarding the two steels?

[standy99]

Bought the CPM 20CV and the PD#1 mule

M390 and Cruwear comparisons would be right.

PD#1 stayed sharp for the longest

Good one Standy, so you've had 'em in action for a while?

How did the PD1 Mule perform regarding corrosion resistance up there in the tropical north?

Any other comments regarding the two steels?

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Will have to update the thread above.

Found them both great steels with the PD#1 being the stand out as used both with a bit of boning and skinning

Will get handles made for both which will negate under scale maintenance for both.

[Notsurewhy]

Pete from Cedric and Ada YouTube channel recently did his rope cut test on a whole bunch of mules. Pd1 cut significantly more than the cruwear mule, but the cruwear had some sort of heat treat issues. Pd1 fell between elmax and M4 in edge retention. Fairly impressive. Good video.
https://youtu.be/91OyDvPu-Rc

[TomAiello]

Was the Cruwear mule CPM Cruwear or non-CPM?