Endela-thread

[cycleguy]

Just ordered one... not sure how this happened as the Chaparral was next on the list to purchase!!!

CG

[z4vdBt]

Endela made it's way into my (left rear) pocket as edc. I can now no-look one hand open / close ambidextrously.

[Wartstein]

Endela made it's way into my (left rear) pocket as edc. I can now no-look one hand open / close ambidextrously.

Great!! With some practice (and not too tight action) you can also flick backlocks with each finger... (reverse grip for pinky flip of course...) :) Not a skill though as usefull as one handed opening itself I admit..

[Doc Dan]

Ok, but how does the Endela feel in the hand vs the Endura? Large hands want to know.

[p_atrick]

Ok, but how does the Endela feel in the hand vs the Endura? Large hands want to know.

Doc, was the Endela uncomfortable for you? It was for me. My natural grip of the knife put the "hump" in an uncomfortable position. I know I'm not the only one here who has had the same issue. The Endela has a redesigned handle. If anyone here who finds the Endura uncomfortable and has an Endela, what's it like when comparing the two?

[A.S.O.K.A]

Ok, but how does the Endela feel in the hand vs the Endura? Large hands want to know.

Doc, was the Endela uncomfortable for you? It was for me. My natural grip of the knife put the "hump" in an uncomfortable position. I know I'm not the only one here who has had the same issue. The Endela has a redesigned handle. If anyone here who finds the Endura uncomfortable and has an Endela, what's it like when comparing the two?

My hands are on the smaller side( as in, I can fit 4 fingers on rhino model) and I find the endura handle is comfortable where as the endela handle is only slightly more comfortable. I even had my fingers sit on the humps of both knives grooves, my answer remains the same

[Wartstein]

Ok, but how does the Endela feel in the hand vs the Endura? Large hands want to know.

Doc, was the Endela uncomfortable for you? It was for me. My natural grip of the knife put the "hump" in an uncomfortable position. I know I'm not the only one here who has had the same issue. The Endela has a redesigned handle. If anyone here who finds the Endura uncomfortable and has an Endela, what's it like when comparing the two?

Ok, but how does the Endela feel in the hand vs the Endura? Large hands want to know.

I don´t have an Endura with me at the moment, but actually carry my Endela, so I can´t compare the two "in person" right now.

But sure I already did compare Endura to Endela already earlier
And Doc, I am afraid that there is just VERY little difference between the Endura and Endela handle, except the latter being a bit shorter... I think the first finger placement is almost exactly the same, maybe the Endelas is just slightly shorter, but I don´t think so.

BUT, that being said: The "humps/points" between the finger placements of the Endura never bothered me at all, so I can´t tell if the Endela is more comfortable in that regard. What I can clearly feel, is that the Endela "humps/points" are noticeable less pronounced, so that may indeed be an improvement for people who did not like the Endura in that regard!

So, Doc: Why don´t you just order an Endela to try out for yourself and return it, if you don´t like the grip?? For me it is totally ok to return a knife, if one just grips the handle one or two times in order to testthe ergos. (Of course, as soon as I cut something, even just a bit paper, I would not return a knife anymore)

[Wartstein]

Ok, but how does the Endela feel in the hand vs the Endura? Large hands want to know.

Doc, now two quick comparison pics for you, orange = Endura, black = Endela.
You can see, the first finger placement is almost exactly similar shaped (maybe it feels a tiny bit shorter on the Endela, not sure though).
But also, that the Endela handle really is more "mellowed out" with less pronounced "points".

I find them both very comfortable, the Endela just VERY slightly even more so...

Overall, the Endela really is a great addition to the Endura family, period.

[Doc Dan]

Thanks! That first finger Bump After of the Ford finger guard is the one that was always a problem for me. The back one towards the pommel Was always OK.

[Igi964]

I wonder if the wharncliffe version will come out?

[Wartstein]

I wonder if the wharncliffe version will come out?

I´d think so, if the sales of if the "regular" Endela are well enough-- ? (So... go and purchase one! :D just kidding of course, though you can´t go wrong with the currently available first version of the Endela imho)

[Reject]

Ok, but how does the Endela feel in the hand vs the Endura? Large hands want to know.

It is not to far away from feeling a lot like an MP2.

:o If you put FRN scales and a back lock on the MP2 and then put it on strict diet.


:eek: I have only had the Endela for about 2 weeks but it has already pushed the Para Military 2 out of my pocket.

Why do I prefer the Endela over the PM2?
The other knives I carry are the Dragonfly and the Chaparral. Love them both and they are both back locks. What I needed after that was a mid sized folder, big enough to do the bigger jobs but not so big that it would not scare the locals then I take it out.

The Delica was to small and the Endura was to large but the PM2 was the perfect size.
Loved the PM2; but it is not a truly ambidextrous folder when closing it. I am right handed and I can easily close it with my left hand; but the grip on it is always tenuous.

And being a devote disciple of Murphy’s Law, I know that at the worst possible time that will go wrong.

Did I hear someone say ”What about the Stretch”.

The Stretch is the greatest puzzle to me of all the Spyderco knives.
It is the perfect size, the design is perfect, the built quality is great and it has a longer blade and a shorter handle than the Endela. But when I take it in hand I can not love it, I don’t hate it, I don’t dislike it. But in hand it just feels wrong for me, while the PM2 feels great.

For the life of me; I can not give you a single reason why I feel that way about the Stretch; :confused: it’s a great knife.

My PM2 has served me well of many years and I haven’t yet; dropped it when closing it with my left hand. But then came the Endela: out of the box it felt good in hand. A touch lighter than a PM2, the same size handle and blade and :) it felt real good in hand.

With no intension of it replacing the PM2, it went into the pocket for a trial run. It carries smaller than the PM2 and though the same thickness and it feels smaller in hand. The grip texture is aggressive and feels secure.

I had to cut some heavy rope and looped the rope, I reversed the Endela in my hand to do a pull cut and was surprised at how secure it felt. The person with me was more impressed by how easily it cut through the rope. I later tried the same grip holding the PM2 and Endela felt more secure and comfortable.

This Endela trial could end up lasting a very long time, because I am really liking this knife.

In this size range, if you like a compression lock the PM2 is your knife. But if you like a back lock, you have got to try out the Endela. :) I think you are going to like it.

[Jazz]

It feels great in the hand. Might be the same length as a PM2, but it does not feel like one at all. Nice and light, but strong with not too wafer thin a blade. So far I like it. As soon as the Lock Tite sets tomorrow, I’ll use it. It was cranked too tight - had to loosen.

[Doc Dan]

Ok, but how does the Endela feel in the hand vs the Endura? Large hands want to know.

It is not to far away from feeling a lot like an MP2.

:o If you put FRN scales and a back lock on the MP2 and then put it on strict diet.


:eek: I have only had the Endela for about 2 weeks but it has already pushed the Para Military 2 out of my pocket.

Why do I prefer the Endela over the PM2?
The other knives I carry are the Dragonfly and the Chaparral. Love them both and they are both back locks. What I needed after that was a mid sized folder, big enough to do the bigger jobs but not so big that it would not scare the locals then I take it out.

The Delica was to small and the Endura was to large but the PM2 was the perfect size.
Loved the PM2; but it is not a truly ambidextrous folder when closing it. I am right handed and I can easily close it with my left hand; but the grip on it is always tenuous.

And being a devote disciple of Murphy’s Law, I know that at the worst possible time that will go wrong.

Did I hear someone say ”What about the Stretch”.

The Stretch is the greatest puzzle to me of all the Spyderco knives.
It is the perfect size, the design is perfect, the built quality is great and it has a longer blade and a shorter handle than the Endela. But when I take it in hand I can not love it, I don’t hate it, I don’t dislike it. But in hand it just feels wrong for me, while the PM2 feels great.

For the life of me; I can not give you a single reason why I feel that way about the Stretch; :confused: it’s a great knife.

My PM2 has served me well of many years and I haven’t yet; dropped it when closing it with my left hand. But then came the Endela: out of the box it felt good in hand. A touch lighter than a PM2, the same size handle and blade and :) it felt real good in hand.

With no intension of it replacing the PM2, it went into the pocket for a trial run. It carries smaller than the PM2 and though the same thickness and it feels smaller in hand. The grip texture is aggressive and feels secure.

I had to cut some heavy rope and looped the rope, I reversed the Endela in my hand to do a pull cut and was surprised at how secure it felt. The person with me was more impressed by how easily it cut through the rope. I later tried the same grip holding the PM2 and Endela felt more secure and comfortable.

This Endela trial could end up lasting a very long time, because I am really liking this knife.

In this size range, if you like a compression lock the PM2 is your knife. But if you like a back lock, you have got to try out the Endela. :) I think you are going to like it.

Thanks. The pics are helpful and so is your feedback.

[Wartstein]

Double post...

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[Wartstein]

Ok, but how does the Endela feel in the hand vs the Endura? Large hands want to know.

It is not to far away from feeling a lot like an MP2.

:o If you put FRN scales and a back lock on the MP2 and then put it on strict diet.


:eek: I have only had the Endela for about 2 weeks but it has already pushed the Para Military 2 out of my pocket.

Why do I prefer the Endela over the PM2?
The other knives I carry are the Dragonfly and the Chaparral. Love them both and they are both back locks. What I needed after that was a mid sized folder, big enough to do the bigger jobs but not so big that it would not scare the locals then I take it out.

The Delica was to small and the Endura was to large but the PM2 was the perfect size.
Loved the PM2; but it is not a truly ambidextrous folder when closing it. I am right handed and I can easily close it with my left hand; but the grip on it is always tenuous.

And being a devote disciple of Murphy’s Law, I know that at the worst possible time that will go wrong.

Did I hear someone say ”What about the Stretch”.

The Stretch is the greatest puzzle to me of all the Spyderco knives.
It is the perfect size, the design is perfect, the built quality is great and it has a longer blade and a shorter handle than the Endela. But when I take it in hand I can not love it, I don’t hate it, I don’t dislike it. But in hand it just feels wrong for me, while the PM2 feels great.

For the life of me; I can not give you a single reason why I feel that way about the Stretch; :confused: it’s a great knife.

My PM2 has served me well of many years and I haven’t yet; dropped it when closing it with my left hand. But then came the Endela: out of the box it felt good in hand. A touch lighter than a PM2, the same size handle and blade and :) it felt real good in hand.

With no intension of it replacing the PM2, it went into the pocket for a trial run. It carries smaller than the PM2 and though the same thickness and it feels smaller in hand. The grip texture is aggressive and feels secure.

I had to cut some heavy rope and looped the rope, I reversed the Endela in my hand to do a pull cut and was surprised at how secure it felt. The person with me was more impressed by how easily it cut through the rope. I later tried the same grip holding the PM2 and Endela felt more secure and comfortable.

This Endela trial could end up lasting a very long time, because I am really liking this knife.

In this size range, if you like a compression lock the PM2 is your knife. But if you like a back lock, you have got to try out the Endela. :) I think you are going to like it.

Thanks for yout detailled thoughts!
I really like to share opinions about the Endela, since mine also quickly became my most carried knife at the moment.

I may share my thoughts on some of your points:

- you are absolutely right, people who are fine with the PM2s blade and handle length will probably like the Endela in this aspects. In fact it has the same blade length, just a tiny bit less edge, the handle is a bit shorter and a lot slimmer in the pocket, while still offering vastly more actual grip area and positions for the hand and (for me) being more comfortable than the PM2 handle.

Important: People who find the PM2s grip area too short, will have still easyly enough space on the Endela handle!

- When you're saying, that the Stretch has a shorter handle, but longer blade than the Endela, I am sure you're talking about the Stretch ONE, right? This model in fact has a better blade to handle ratio than the Endela.
The current FRN Stretch TWO on the other hand hss virtually the same blsde and handle length as the Endela

- One reason why the Stretch does feel "wrong" in hand for you could be, that at its groove for the firsr finger the handle is maybe a tiny bit too narrow? To be clear, the Stretch (1) is probably my most favorite and most comfortable folder of all times, but if I could change one thing I'd make the handle a tiny bit wider at the finger groove.
As it is now, you sometimes have to shift your hand deliberately in a more forward position on the handle than it is when you initially and instinctivly grab the Stretch to get the best grip. No big deal at all, just something to notice and maybe try out.

- The only thing I'd change in the Endela: Give it 3 mm more blade length. There is more than enough space left for that in the handle when the knife is closed, and the blade would still not be longer than 3.5" (which is probably the legal limit in some places). Now it is 3.41".

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[Reject]

:o Hadn’t really thought to compared the sizes of the Endela and the Stretch before today. And you are correct, it was a Stretch 1 I compared it to. I did manage to find one Stretch 2 in the collection and I see what you mean.

I still prefer the grip on the Para military 2 and the Endela over the Stretch. Though the Stretch 2 feels better to my hand than the Stretch 1.

The problem with increasing the blade length on a folder; as Spyderco have done in the past. Is that you very soon get endless complaints on the forum of :rolleyes: “If I rub my finger really hard on the end of handle, I can cut my finger on the tip of the blade.”

[Wartstein]

The problem with increasing the blade length on a folder; as Spyderco have done in the past. Is that you very soon get endless complaints on the forum of :rolleyes: “If I rub my finger really hard on the end of handle, I can cut my finger on the tip of the blade.”

... that's a shame... but people don't seem to have that issue on the Endura. And if you made the blade of the Endela 3 or 4 mm longer, it would fill the handle (when closed) in the exact same way as in the Endura... and still not to the very end of the handle

[Jazz]

The whole idea is that it’s a shorter blade. Now you want it longer? The balance is just right. The Stretch, for example, has too much blade packed in there. So does the Caly 3.5. Seems off balance.

[Wartstein]

The whole idea is that it’s a shorter blade. Now you want it longer? The balance is just right. The Stretch, for example, has too much blade packed in there. So does the Caly 3.5. Seems off balance.

I have to politely, but totally disagree.
The whole idea is not that it's a shorter blade, but a shorter package in between Endura and Delica.
Handle wise the Endela is very close to the Endura, but its blade a lot shorter cause it fills the handle much less when closed. THAT is off balance (have to say it, as much as I love my Endela) and also looks odd and like a missed opportunity.

Either the handle should be 3 or 4 mm shorter to disringuish the Endela more from the Endura (it would still be much closer to the Endura than the Delica in looks, width, stock and so on) OR add that 3mm to the BLADE so you just stay legal concerning 3.5" limits.

Imho people who really use their knives for various EDC tasks feel the benefits of a blade that is a bit longer (I do prefer the 3.5 " of my Stretch 1 over the 3.41 of the Endela concerning usefullness and variability) while people who don't need longer blades still would not be bothered at all by 3mm more length...