S30V years ago had a bad rap because of issues that occured when it was produced in ingot form. Then came S35VN that had a very short ingot run then was quickly changed over to CPM S35VN as more companies started picking it up. Fast forward today, we now see CPM S35VN at an inflated price due to S30V's past problem and the "influencers" doing their thing. S30V was produced in ingot form for a long time before being switched over to powdered form. But for those of us who use CPM S30V, we know that S30V is a great steel.bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:21 pmI am a skeptic of "influencers" myself and in a way sort of detest that they have the pull they have. They are the ones who started the S30V is crap and ZT’s Elmax is bad stuff years ago and “influencers” weren’t even a big thing then.
That's interesting. I didn't know that S30V used to be produced in ingot form.A.S.O.K.A wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:11 amS30V years ago had a bad rap because of issues that occured when it was produced in ingot form. Then came S35VN that had a very short ingot run then was quickly changed over to CPM S35VN as more companies started picking it up. Fast forward today, we now see CPM S35VN at an inflated price due to S30V's past problem and the "influencers" doing their thing. S30V was produced in ingot form for a long time before being switched over to powdered form. But for those of us who use CPM S30V, we know that S30V is a great steel.bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:21 pmI am a skeptic of "influencers" myself and in a way sort of detest that they have the pull they have. They are the ones who started the S30V is crap and ZT’s Elmax is bad stuff years ago and “influencers” weren’t even a big thing then.
What's your source on this? I've never seen non-CPM S30V since it was introduced. All S30V is CPM S30V.A.S.O.K.A wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:11 amS30V years ago had a bad rap because of issues that occured when it was produced in ingot form. Then came S35VN that had a very short ingot run then was quickly changed over to CPM S35VN as more companies started picking it up. Fast forward today, we now see CPM S35VN at an inflated price due to S30V's past problem and the "influencers" doing their thing. S30V was produced in ingot form for a long time before being switched over to powdered form. But for those of us who use CPM S30V, we know that S30V is a great steel.bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:21 pmI am a skeptic of "influencers" myself and in a way sort of detest that they have the pull they have. They are the ones who started the S30V is crap and ZT’s Elmax is bad stuff years ago and “influencers” weren’t even a big thing then.
Sounds like you are talking about D2? I think S30V was a powdered steel from the beginning when Barber and Reeves designed it. I was always under the impression that it was specifically designed to be a knife steel and that it was CPM from day one.A.S.O.K.A wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:11 amS30V years ago had a bad rap because of issues that occured when it was produced in ingot form. Then came S35VN that had a very short ingot run then was quickly changed over to CPM S35VN as more companies started picking it up. Fast forward today, we now see CPM S35VN at an inflated price due to S30V's past problem and the "influencers" doing their thing. S30V was produced in ingot form for a long time before being switched over to powdered form. But for those of us who use CPM S30V, we know that S30V is a great steel.bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:21 pmI am a skeptic of "influencers" myself and in a way sort of detest that they have the pull they have. They are the ones who started the S30V is crap and ZT’s Elmax is bad stuff years ago and “influencers” weren’t even a big thing then.
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I think your right, may have confused the S30V thing. But yes, I remember the reports of the problems with S30V and how it continues to haunt it to this day. Especially now with more people interested in trying different steels, bad mouthing S30V in threads. Like the thread talkin about Cruwear being in regular production as opposed to S30V, someone actually said that S30V was less corrosion resistant and that they wanted cruwear to take its place. Bizzare commentsbearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:08 amSounds like you are talking about D2? I think S30V was a powdered steel from the beginning when Barber and Reeves designed it. I was always under the impression that it was specifically designed to be a knife steel and that it was CPM from day one.A.S.O.K.A wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:11 amS30V years ago had a bad rap because of issues that occured when it was produced in ingot form. Then came S35VN that had a very short ingot run then was quickly changed over to CPM S35VN as more companies started picking it up. Fast forward today, we now see CPM S35VN at an inflated price due to S30V's past problem and the "influencers" doing their thing. S30V was produced in ingot form for a long time before being switched over to powdered form. But for those of us who use CPM S30V, we know that S30V is a great steel.bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:21 pmI am a skeptic of "influencers" myself and in a way sort of detest that they have the pull they have. They are the ones who started the S30V is crap and ZT’s Elmax is bad stuff years ago and “influencers” weren’t even a big thing then.
The original complaints about S30V and Elmax were heat treat related. S30V was reported to be chippy and Elmax was reported to be too soft. Those claims were either issues sorted out early or just flukes but both steels still carry some bad stigma. I think S35VN was partly designed to give S30V a fresh start due to that stigma.
It’s not a pin. It’s actually a small area anvil, designed specifically to test small components. Here is a pic of the anvil used in the tests. The pic is Kurt’s pic.shunsui wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:51 amIf I was to guess, if there was an error, it would probably be the way the tester mounted the specific knife under the indenter on the anvil.
https://i.imgur.com/kxSbXsH.jpg
I saw a picture of a red manix2 IIRC under test (found it), and it was an assembled knife indented in the area between the G10 and the spyderhole.
It's hard to see much of the anvil, but it looks like there's just a pin coming up under the blade. Doesn't look like there's any other support for the blade.
Accuracy might be hit or miss, I'd imagine they try and get the result they expect, but if say a Lionsteel knife didn't lend itself to this method of indenting possibly due to handle shape or blade shape, you might get a movement of 0.001" or whatever.
I'd think some kind of measurement error is more likely, considering how they tested the Manix2, than Lionsteel heat treating to an intended 50 HRC. Let's be real.
Anyway, that's just a guess. I'd love it if Kurt would post some youtube videos of his test procedures. I'm by no means an expert, but I think others here might be.
Oh, here's an interesting comment by JLS who did a lot of Mule team hardness testing:
"...I still haven't found the test results for MT06 and MT10. If they're not in some old spreadsheets, they're lost and I don't know that I want to know the hardness bad enough to tear the handles off (once they're epoxied on, they stay that way...at least how I do it)."
You can draw your own conclusions how that might be relevant or not.
As I said, it's all just a guess.
What have you seen that makes this your opinion? I see no difference in the steels in use. And I have yet to see any s35vn perform better than buck's s30v. There are so many more s30v models available that between the 2, you probably won't find a s35vn model that performs better than select s30v models from spyderco, Benchmade, or buck.Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:08 amWhat is shocking and always has been to me is why Spyderco never transitioned it’s main production models to S35VN as Chris Reeve did.
By all accounts S35VN is a superior steel and easier to work with as well.
Experience using the steels.Pelagic wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:50 pmWhat have you seen that makes this your opinion? I see no difference in the steels in use. And I have yet to see any s35vn perform better than buck's s30v. There are so many more s30v models available that between the 2, you probably won't find a s35vn model that performs better than select s30v models from spyderco, Benchmade, or buck.Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:08 amWhat is shocking and always has been to me is why Spyderco never transitioned it’s main production models to S35VN as Chris Reeve did.
By all accounts S35VN is a superior steel and easier to work with as well.
Banter 247 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:18 am
It’s not a pin. It’s actually a small area anvil, designed specifically to test small components. Here is a pic of the anvil used in the tests. The pic is Kurt’s pic.
https://i.imgur.com/FCDhdzx.jpg
His results have been confirmed by Manly Knives, Benchmade, and an independent third party lab. I’ve seen email communication from Manly about it, and they in turn verified Kurt’s results by way of a lab of their choice.
I don't doubt Chris Reeve is going to say the new steel he's trying to sell these days is better. I'm talking about cut tests. I've seen a lot and s30v seems to do better in production knives. I don't doubt that s35vn has more potential regarding custom heat treats. But at that price point I don't know why someone wouldn't choose a better steel. And I'm guessing you aren't concerned with custom heat treats since you made a thread about m390 and its cousins being hype steels when they actually have a lot of potential that essentially never gets showcased.Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:20 pmExperience using the steels.Pelagic wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:50 pmWhat have you seen that makes this your opinion? I see no difference in the steels in use. And I have yet to see any s35vn perform better than buck's s30v. There are so many more s30v models available that between the 2, you probably won't find a s35vn model that performs better than select s30v models from spyderco, Benchmade, or buck.Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:08 amWhat is shocking and always has been to me is why Spyderco never transitioned it’s main production models to S35VN as Chris Reeve did.
By all accounts S35VN is a superior steel and easier to work with as well.
Trusting you know how google works but here are a few things since you want experts words instead of mine please do enjoyI wish Spyderco would a factory tour like he does in the video.
Look at a little over 4 minutes into the video Chris says it directly. S35VN is better.
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2018/09/03/ ... -articles/
https://youtu.be/4QiEnhA3n0A
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