Who's for replacing ZDP-189 with HAP40 laminate in regular production?

[TomAiello]

I'd take a ukpk or urban in zdp - would like to have a legal carry option that holds a fine edge well.

Spydercos zdp offerings are such a bargain

I agree that would be amazing. But with ZDP coming from Japan, the UKPK in Golden and the Urban in Maniago, I don't think it's likely, unfortunately.

[youmakemehole]

There’s plenty of offerings in Hap40, I would be a resounding no on this one. Not to mention Hap40 sprints are usually around the longest with some still being available from 2017. I believe this is due to the stainless cladding and everyone knowing that after 10 seconds of use it looks horrible. Not really user knives.

This calls for more DLC HAP40!

[SpyderScout]

Not really user knives.

Why not?

I hope scratches dont keep you from using a knife.

I feel a knife shouldn’t be tore up from cutting up boxes within the first 5 minutes. Just my opinion of course. I hope it hasn’t offended you.

:) Not offended at all. Cant see, why I would be. You are pretty entertaining after all.

[Wartstein]

Not really user knives.

Why not?

I hope scratches dont keep you from using a knife.

I feel a knife shouldn’t be tore up from cutting up boxes within the first 5 minutes. Just my opinion of course. I hope it hasn’t offended you.

Hi Dreaded, I sure hope YOU did not feel offended by the comments on your previous post! Of course it is totally fine if one enjoys his/her knives more when they stay shiny and not scratched. I can totally get that and there are probably other things than knifes where I would feel the same.
Thats why I stated in my comment, how good and interesting of a thing it is that we are all different (and Spyderco still makes knives for almost any preferences )
Just I personally actually like it when my knives look used and scratched up. But then, I am really not much of an collector or the like, I just keep knives that get actually used.

Greetings from Austria / Europe, have a nice day!

[Jazz]

I said it before and I’ll say it again, the soft cladding that scratches even before you use it has to go. I use my VG 10 Delica at work every day on cardboard. It is scratched, and I don’t mind, but NOTHING like what that SUS whatever would be. Even for a workhorse knife. Don’t like it.

[SpyderScout]

I said it before and I’ll say it again, the soft cladding that scratches even before you use it has to go. I use my VG 10 Delica at work every day on cardboard. It is scratched, and I don’t mind, but NOTHING like what that SUS whatever would be. Even for a workhorse knife. Don’t like it.

I dont mind scratches in the SUS410 at all. It adds character.
I recently started using this one for example. It has gotten a very light surface scratch or two on the SUS410. No problemo - quite the contrary.
Its an awesome knife and I sincerely hope we see more like it in the future. This knife became an instant favorite.
Great that Spyderco offers combinations like V-Toku2/SUS410 in an affordable package from a vendor like KnifeCenter, where I got mine from.

[Mini2white]

No thank you. ZDP is working just fine.

[TomAiello]

In honor of this thread, I am EDCing my ZDP dragonfly 2 today, and I have swapped my normal Ladybug (HB salt) for my ZDP one (which normally sits in my desk drawer). :)

[Catamount123]

I haven't seen this much love for ZDP-189 here before. I guess sometimes you have to suggest taking something away to really draw out its fans

[SpyderScout]

In honor of this thread, I am EDCing my ZDP dragonfly 2 today, and I have swapped my normal Ladybug (HB salt) for my ZDP one (which normally sits in my desk drawer). :)

Ill break out the Caly in honor of the most excellent ZDP :D

[Wartstein]

Ok, I guess I'll have to do something in favour of the HAP 40 camp and carry my Endura in this steel...

[ferider]

"Who's for replacing ZDP-189 with HAP40 laminate in regular production?"

I might be OK with this, if and only if they would heat-treat HAP40 like Rex 45, and make a Manix XL out of it. :D

Jokes aside, this is the only threat that I've seen during my still young presence on this forum, where members encourage Spyderco to reduce their steel port-folio. Amazing :)

Roland.

[Sharp Guy]

In honor of this thread, I am EDCing my ZDP dragonfly 2 today, and I have swapped my normal Ladybug (HB salt) for my ZDP one (which normally sits in my desk drawer). :)

Ill break out the Caly in honor of the most excellent ZDP :D

Haha a couple days ago I checked this thread and my Caly 3.5 ZDP went into my pocket immediately afterward. :)

A ZDP Manbug rides in my watch pocket at least once or twice per week.

[BigKenbo]

Respectfully i have enduras in both and i say NO NO NO NO NO!!! they are both great! I could see both side by side, but they are unique enough imho to NEED both. I would just hate to see the ZDP endura go away. I would equally love for everyone to get an expanded opportunity to own one in hap40 however.

[Will Rogers]

After reading this thread, I searched online for articles comparing knife steels, to see what they had to say. But I can't find any that include Hap40 in the comparison. Is there a steel similar to Hap40 with a different name that might be included in any of these articles?

[David R]

Michael Christy did a direct comparison of these two a few years ago.

[Will Rogers]

Yes, I watched that video. But it doesn't even mention ease of sharpening - the video is entirely about edge retention. I understand that if you're a steel expert comparing two high-end steels like ZDP-189 and HAP40, ease of sharpening isn't an issue: you already have the tools to sharpen either equally well. But most people who buy knives aren't steel junkies. They want a knife that cuts and doesn't have to be sharpened too often - and when it does need to be sharpened, they can do so in a few minutes. They don't have to take a day off work to sharpen a knife.

So given there are so many Spyderco knives out in ZDP-189 or HAP40 or both, I'd like to know just how long they both take to sharpen. If it take longer than about three or four minutes to sharpen a knife, I'm moving on to a different steel.

[David R]

I think it's toward the middle (? - haven't watched it in a while) he covers getting ZDP hair whittling vs. HAP40. I seem to recall HAP40 being easier to get sharp as opposed to ZDP. In my limited experience I think HAP40 is easier to sharpen. Hard to know without having the same blade geometry side-by-side.

Sharpening time really depends on condition of the blade, stones, and skill level. I can get either quite sharp in a few minutes. This is for a standard sharpening, not removing chips or other dealing with other issues. I've been using diamond stones on an EdgePro. Last time I did the ZDP with softer stones it took a while, but it was also a messed up edge that needed a fair amount of work. I think you could maintain either in a few minutes if you don't let them get too dull. Arkansas stones and ZDP... that may be a challenge.

I like them both. Not sure I have enough experience with either to have a preference. My ZDP stretch cut like crazy sharpened at ~1000 grit. Possibly my most regretful trade.

[Will Rogers]

OK, I must have missed that - that's useful information.

My sharpening skills are limited. I have a Sharpmaker, with the standard brown and white rods. If I can't sharpen a knife with this, I should get out the knife hobby and take up fishing - which I might not be any more successful at, but which will keep my stress level much lower.

[steelcity16]

I'd rather see it replaced with whatever is Japanese Cruwear equivalent. SRS-15 maybe? Solid (unclad) of course.