My question to all experienced knife people.
If you were in a life or death struggle(robber) and or being attacked by a large dog which Spydie knife would you want in your hands? I personally would want one that would not slip or be knocked out of my hand easily and one that would be very strong.
I have not seen the gunting or the military in person.
I have all the everyday knives I need now I am looking for a carry self defense knife.
All advise is appreciated.
Life or death encounter
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Life and death struggles are not, in my mind, the time to think about trying to just wound someone. The only way to be certain that an opponent poses no more danger to you is his/her death. I don't know blade length on the Gunting, but large dogs on the attack aren't bothered much by pain. Their natural perception is life/death also, IMHO. So, don't think the Gunting would be my first canine defense tool.
Knives cut/slash and they stab, generally speaking. I believe that in either of the 2 proposed scenarios, a knife that is capable of doing both well, while easy to maintain a good grip on it, would make the best choice.
Blood, vomit, etc., are very slippery. Make knife handles very slick too. Don't think I would want Micarta for life/death situation, unless effectively roughened up. Would want a handle designed to facilitate good grip, for slashing, thrusting, and withdrawal. That unfortunately rules out several Spydies I like a lot.
From what I've known/seen/heard of Spydies, I'd have to go with the large Wegner, or the original Lum tanto. Very ergonomic handle. An effective stabbing point. It is designed for slashing/cutting. Not sure of it's handle material, but even if Micarta, believe the shape would help maintain grip.
Second choice would probably be the Ayoob. That deep drop of the handle means one can hang onto it very well also.
My $.02 worth.
Stare
Knives cut/slash and they stab, generally speaking. I believe that in either of the 2 proposed scenarios, a knife that is capable of doing both well, while easy to maintain a good grip on it, would make the best choice.
Blood, vomit, etc., are very slippery. Make knife handles very slick too. Don't think I would want Micarta for life/death situation, unless effectively roughened up. Would want a handle designed to facilitate good grip, for slashing, thrusting, and withdrawal. That unfortunately rules out several Spydies I like a lot.
From what I've known/seen/heard of Spydies, I'd have to go with the large Wegner, or the original Lum tanto. Very ergonomic handle. An effective stabbing point. It is designed for slashing/cutting. Not sure of it's handle material, but even if Micarta, believe the shape would help maintain grip.
Second choice would probably be the Ayoob. That deep drop of the handle means one can hang onto it very well also.
My $.02 worth.
Stare
Believe me folks the last thing I would want is a hand to hand struggle and all I had was a knife. I probably would turn and run as fast as I could ...but you can't out run a dog.
To me I know I would'nt be cutting or slashing I'd be stabbing as fast as I could.And I would not use a gunting to hand out bruises.
To me a knife is like a gun it's a last resort weapon and you don't pull it out unless you are going to use it.
I guess i will check out this wegner but I thought the gunting looked like the blade would be long enough and it appeared you could get a good grip on it.
Edited by - Mark1955 on 5/3/2001 1:35:47 PM
To me I know I would'nt be cutting or slashing I'd be stabbing as fast as I could.And I would not use a gunting to hand out bruises.
To me a knife is like a gun it's a last resort weapon and you don't pull it out unless you are going to use it.
I guess i will check out this wegner but I thought the gunting looked like the blade would be long enough and it appeared you could get a good grip on it.
Edited by - Mark1955 on 5/3/2001 1:35:47 PM
Jazzman -- you're right. I have a poor memory, and am relatively new to Spyderco famdom. I mostly use the KnifeCenter for info, in part because it puts the models where they can be seen together. I'd last looked at the black G-10 Lum, and forgot most had the slick handles.
Certainly, the Turzuola, the JD Smith and the Shabaria and Chinook would all be effective also. In my feeble mind, was seeing the basic shape of the Lum in my mind, and the similarity in profile to the Wegner.
Part of my viewpoint is that of another forumite at BladeForums, who believes, and makes good arguments, that the Wegner is simply the best all around production folder. I've pretty well decided it will be my next knife. It also reminds me a lot of the Kershaw Random Task, a knife I keep thinking about, but never getting around to buy.
I think most important in a life/death situation is to have a knife that you trust, that feels good in your hand and will stay there, and enough blade to get some serious stabbing done. I love the looks of the Viele, but fear the potential for cutting myself, or just plain losing the knife because of the lack of things to hold onto/pull on.
Stare
Certainly, the Turzuola, the JD Smith and the Shabaria and Chinook would all be effective also. In my feeble mind, was seeing the basic shape of the Lum in my mind, and the similarity in profile to the Wegner.
Part of my viewpoint is that of another forumite at BladeForums, who believes, and makes good arguments, that the Wegner is simply the best all around production folder. I've pretty well decided it will be my next knife. It also reminds me a lot of the Kershaw Random Task, a knife I keep thinking about, but never getting around to buy.
I think most important in a life/death situation is to have a knife that you trust, that feels good in your hand and will stay there, and enough blade to get some serious stabbing done. I love the looks of the Viele, but fear the potential for cutting myself, or just plain losing the knife because of the lack of things to hold onto/pull on.
Stare
Yeah babay, those are the ones, definately the Civie or Matriarch for untrained, this blade is Godly as is the Chin, altho since Ive got a good knowledge of various pressure points and locks from my akido training Id most likeley beat that dog into next century with the Gunting.
Waiting for mine(with tapes n drone) 2 arrive once stock is available down here.
Seeya
MaNcEr
P.S. if you wanna train Id personally take the Gunting over the Chin for only self defense, the Chin is a beutiful knife and one if not the best in the Spydie range Ive seen as a all around util knife, still Gunting was made with one thing in mind, self defense.
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Waiting for mine(with tapes n drone) 2 arrive once stock is available down here.
Seeya
MaNcEr
P.S. if you wanna train Id personally take the Gunting over the Chin for only self defense, the Chin is a beutiful knife and one if not the best in the Spydie range Ive seen as a all around util knife, still Gunting was made with one thing in mind, self defense.
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The Gunting, the lock on it and the thrusting ability would make me choose it instead of the civilian.
Guro?
Well if we where in the future I would choose the military gunting (oh I am not pestering Bram here, alright! just making an opinion <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
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Guro?
Well if we where in the future I would choose the military gunting (oh I am not pestering Bram here, alright! just making an opinion <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
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