Spyderco Paysan

[miyamotomusashi]

When will this C238TIP Rassenti Paysan be available? I'm ready for this. This might be the ultimate (to me). An integrated clip would make it even better though. I also wish it were a little smaller. Should I wait for version 2? The Para Paysan?

[TomAiello]

While you're looking at the clip, I would love to see Spyderco license Lionsteel's new "self-hiding" clip and use it on some high end offerings (like the Paysan).

[xceptnl]

While you're looking at the clip, I would love to see Spyderco license Lionsteel's new "self-hiding" clip and use it on some high end offerings (like the Paysan).

Lionsteel wasn't the first to use that technology. I recall Boker doing it over a decade ago, maybe two decades. It's and interesting concept but I prefer a fixed clip.

[TomAiello]

Doesn't the Lionsteel marketing material say they've patented it?

Either way, I'm familiar with marketing and manufacturers claiming to be first (in other industries) so I'm not surprised.


edit: found the verbiage on the LS site "First, it introduces the new H.WAYL System, a LionSteel patent that allows to hide the clip while using the knife: the clip can be pulled out only when needed."

[dj moonbat]

Doesn't the Lionsteel marketing material say they've patented it?

Either way, I'm familiar with marketing and manufacturers claiming to be first (in other industries) so I'm not surprised.


edit: found the verbiage on the LS site "First, it introduces the new H.WAYL System, a LionSteel patent that allows to hide the clip while using the knife: the clip can be pulled out only when needed."

There's almost certainly more than one mechanism that could retract a clip into the body of a knife when the blade is out. Giving one company patent protection for the whole idea of such retraction would be a bit overbroad (although such overbroad patents have certainly slipped through the patent office, and led to entertaining lawsuits!). So a company wishing to implement a retracting clip could wait for Boker's patent (if any is still in effect) to expire, license from Boker, license from Lionsteel, or invent their own mechanism.

In general, my preference is for fewer moving parts and thinner handles, so a high-tech retracting clip is something I would prefer to admire on other peoples' knives.

[xceptnl]

Doesn't the Lionsteel marketing material say they've patented it?

Either way, I'm familiar with marketing and manufacturers claiming to be first (in other industries) so I'm not surprised.


edit: found the verbiage on the LS site "First, it introduces the new H.WAYL System, a LionSteel patent that allows to hide the clip while using the knife: the clip can be pulled out only when needed."

There's almost certainly more than one mechanism that could retract a clip into the body of a knife when the blade is out. Giving one company patent protection for the whole idea of such retraction would be a bit overbroad (although such overbroad patents have certainly slipped through the patent office, and led to entertaining lawsuits!). So a company wishing to implement a retracting clip could wait for Boker's patent (if any is still in effect) to expire, license from Boker, license from Lionsteel, or invent their own mechanism.

In general, my preference is for fewer moving parts and thinner handles, so a high-tech retracting clip is something I would prefer to admire on other peoples' knives.

Mechanical assemblies like this are why bullpup triggers are not as smooth and light as traditional triggers.

[vernonremington]

Any ETA yet on the Paysan? I was hoping for a release by now.

[Flipping Addict]

I think you got your answer. No one knows but I can assure you it will drop right AFTER I have just bought another expensive knife and can't afford it. : )

[Crux]

That is an AWESOME knife you have there. They should make a machete version.

[Slash]

This is what I get for looking at online catalogs. Gonna put a large hole in both pockets. Won't be the first time I survived on ramen noodles...

[illacky]

Bump!

Are a lot of you guys still interested in picking this one up?

Over the last month I've been pondering selling off some blades to fund this one. If purchased I would like to make it my daily driver. The design looks like a very "usable" high(er) end knife IMO.

[Exiledviking]

I'm eagerly awaiting this knife. I emailed Spyderco last month regarding the estimated release and whether it's going to be a limited run. Here's the reply I received:

"Thank you for taking the time to contact us. I don't have any info on how limited of a run it will be.
We do not have an ETA at this time. We expect it out in 2018."

[rivy]

Gonna pass on it.

[Brown_Recluse]

I would love one but I have a feeling that my knife funds will be depleted by the time it's released.

[Flipping Addict]

Yeah, me too. The longer this takes to release the less likely I will be able to get it. No way I can justify $500 knife Christmas month and looking like that is when it will drop. Crap.

[curlyhairedboy]

TBH at this point there's more to be excited for. Those upcoming shaman sprints are much more exciting than the paysan.

Still, it would be nice to have, and if I can justify it, I'll try to get one.

[Exiledviking]

I was hoping for a Rassenti Christmas present from Spyderco. They seem to like keeping me in suspense.

[H@VOC]

Seems the Paysan will not make it out this year.

Also, I agree that $520 is still a little high for this Paysan production run. You can basically pick-up a Curtiss F3 Large for an extra $150. That is just an example, I don’t own an F3, was just looking at some given the price point of this Paysan. Heck, the XM-18 3.5” with CPM-20CV (M390 equivalent) is $95 cheaper.

People will say that it’s an Integral so that’s why it costs those $$$. That could be justified 5-8 years ago, but with CNC machine technology of today there is no reason for these prices in all honesty. At $450 the Large Sebenza 21 with an Insingo Blade is $70 cheaper than the Paysan. Yes, the Sebie has S35VN and the Paysan S90V, both great steals with the S90V a little better, but tolerances and finish of the Sebenza 21 will beat out this Paysan all day. Plus, you won’t get scolded for taking the Sebenza apart :P

People will flock to buy this and I don’t blame them one bit, this Paysan is a super attractive knife and checks off a lot of boxes for me and I really do want one. But Spyderco priced this one a little weird to me, it just does not scream $500+ to me.
$350 out of China and $400-450 out of Golden like that one guy said with all the extras and certification of inspection from someone before packing.

But my gut is telling me Spyderco is testing the waters with this Price point seeing how it just breaks the $500 mark.
Time will tell....

I will wait for next years big sale to pick up a Paysan closer to the $400 mark myself. Well, that’s if I don’t buy a Curtiss F3 Large first....Hint....Hint....Spyderco....bring the Price down ^_^

[basedlarrydavid]

I wonder if the delay might be indicative of Spyderco aytemojbg to find a way to manufacture at a lower price?

[curlyhairedboy]

perhaps so, or at least trying to iron out any quality issues beforehand. The last integral had a few complaints about grind and lock stick.