Jazz wrote:I hate to say it, but I always knew assisted openers and flippers were bad news for all of us. Not to mention people who flick and show off in front of non knife people. Some are going to be mad at me for that, but it's true. We need discretion in this day and age. If not, here's the crap we get, but don't worry, the people who use knives for evil will still get them, even if we can't. What a treat. Sorry, can you tell I'm upset?
I didn't say inanimate objects were the problem, and yes, I just quoted myself. :rolleyes:
Hmmm
The first sentence - where you say "I always knew assisted openers and flippers were bad news for all of us." appears as if you are at least partially saying the inanimate object is the problem.
Canazes9 wrote:
The first sentence - where you say "I always knew assisted openers and flippers were bad news for all of us." appears as if you are at least partially saying the inanimate object is the problem.
David
I don't feel like arguing, bro. Take what you want from it.
Being a fellow Canadian Spyderco collector I find this extremely frustrating. What's most frustrating is that such knives already in Canada still are not actually prohibited. CBSA has just decided to interpret the deliberately vague definition in the CC to block as many knives as possibe it seems. It's frustrating, but from my understanding CBSA and the CITT don't make the laws. It's very disappointing because I was very excited for the new sprint run of the Shabaria, and Warriors and Wonders already had a coming soon post for it. It's quite possible I'll never be able to add it, or any new spydercos to my collection. I think I'll be sending a letter to my MP as well. This change is concerning, but it's much less concerning then if a criminal court decides to interpret them as prohibited as well. But the CITT ruling could be cited if someone was charged and a crown attorney really wanted to get a conviction, no guarantee though that a judge would see it that way.
Liquid Cobra wrote:This reminds me of sals Canada knife thread. We are gonna need a knife that can only be opened with two hands, without a Spyder hole, doesn’t lock, has a timed delay where you have to wait five minutes before you can open it...
Don't forget the fingerprint identification sensors, and of course the breathalyzer. Also there should be one of those assist whistles in the handle, so you can use it as a rape whistle while you wait for the knife to open.
I really shouldn't write such things. Someone in Ottawa might take notice and put this into policy.
This is all very frustrating. If it really starts being heavily enforced I suppose we Canadians can dream that a Canadian Spyderco factory might some day be economically feasible. I suppose our population is too small for us to represent a significant enough chunk of the market....?
What if a substitute drama teacher wants to put on a production of West Side Story? Hasn't anybody thought of the fact that substitute drama teachers need to teach diverse perspectives, especially those of minority street tuffs?
What if my knife identifies as a completely-legal folder? Bill C-16 says that the border agents better respect its identity, or they could be fined $250k and go to prison.
I just came to the party late. This is just CBSA at this point correct? I should still be able to carry a Spyderco, Benchmade and other brands legally if stopped by our local police or RCMP?
dc50 wrote:I just came to the party late. This is just CBSA at this point correct? I should still be able to carry a Spyderco, Benchmade and other brands legally if stopped by our local police or RCMP?
Correct. Your knives are still legal within Canada.
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Awesome! I have always had a fear that our Government would adopt whats happened in Europe and Australia.
I really felt sorry for those guys, when New products come out here,and they really legally can't purchase/carry one.
I was also concerned for our dealers in Canada,eg Warriors and Wonders they have really upped their inventory this past year.
Can you imagine being stuck with thousands of dollars in inventory
dc50 wrote:I was also concerned for our dealers in Canada,eg Warriors and Wonders they have really upped their inventory this past year.
Can you imagine being stuck with thousands of dollars in inventory
Hey, after buying 3 knives in a little over a month, I'm workin' on it.
Maybe all us Canadians should just start carrying 6+ inch fixed blades as our EDCs. When people freak out and ask why, I'll just say the powers that be decided my pocket knives were more dangerous. Finally an excuse to EDC my Spyderco Warrior everywhere.....
The CBSA page mentions, "Importation by a business is permitted if a Firearms Business Licence has been presented with import – prohibited weapon, listed as a business activity on the licence". Does any know if knife vendors like W&W have such a license as a regular part of business-- or how difficult it might be for a vendor to get such a license?
Explain this to me again: What in this Canadian customs law would stop a knife company like Spyderco or some other company from doing the following to get around this ban?:
1 Manufacture the standard folder, as an example, let's say its a Pacific Salt.
2 Attach a special device on the handle that locks the blade to the handle in such a way that it cannot be open one handed, even though it has the Opening Hole or Thumb Stud, until the Safety Latch is manually opened and disengaged. Then you can use it as normal or you can keep using it with the Safety Latch.
Is it because this new law allows the customs people a clause that says even if they can start the opening with two hands, if it can be opened any step of the way with one hand, they ban it?
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:Explain this to me again: What in this Canadian customs law would stop a knife company like Spyderco or some other company from doing the following to get around this ban?:
1 Manufacture the standard folder, as an example, let's say its a Pacific Salt.
2 Attach a special device on the handle that locks the blade to the handle in such a way that it cannot be open one handed, even though it has the Opening Hole or Thumb Stud, until the Safety Latch is manually opened and disengaged. Then you can use it as normal or you can keep using it with the Safety Latch.
Is it because this new law allows the customs people a clause that says even if they can start the opening with two hands, if it can be opened any step of the way with one hand, they ban it?
I have always hated the subjective nature of the verbiage in those laws, leaving plenty of room for (mis)interpretation.
sal wrote: .... even today, we design a knife from the edge out!
dc50 wrote:I was also concerned for our dealers in Canada,eg Warriors and Wonders they have really upped their inventory this past year.
Can you imagine being stuck with thousands of dollars in inventory
Hey, after buying 3 knives in a little over a month, I'm workin' on it.
I know eh! I bet theres a few of us hitting the ole credit card especially this past month. :spyder: :spyder:
dc50 wrote:I was also concerned for our dealers in Canada,eg Warriors and Wonders they have really upped their inventory this past year.
Can you imagine being stuck with thousands of dollars in inventory
Hey, after buying 3 knives in a little over a month, I'm workin' on it.
I know eh! I bet theres a few of us hitting the ole credit card especially this past month. :spyder: :spyder:
It is possible that this might be good for Canadian dealers. The issue revolves around importation-- not sales, possession or use. The trick would be for dealers to have the appropriate license to import the knives. If dealers already have these licenses or can easily get them, this change to import regulations will mean that Canadians simply have to go through a Canadian dealer with a Firearms Business Licence rather than importing them themselves from a US or other dealer. The devil may be in the details of that license though...
Now let me ask you a question about this in the form of three hypothetical Spyderco customers, each of them from Canada.
Now, say each of these Canadians has travelled to Colorado for a nice US visit, and went to the Spyderco Outlet store in Golden, Colorado. Each of them fall in love with the Spyderco Endura, Delica, Military and Paramilitary. Each man purchases one of each after having a great visit and tour there.
1 First man puts his four treasures in his CHECKED BAGGAGE, and boards the plane. Will these new laws almost guarantee that when he gets his checked baggage after arriving home in Canada, his knives will have been confiscated by customs?
2 Second man packs his four folders into a suitcase and drives to and from Canada in a car or van.
3 Third man arrives in Golden, buys his knives, and mails them back to his home.
With these new customs laws, are you saying that in all three scenarios, this Canadian man will have his knives confiscated and he has no legal recourse to get them returned to him?
What if he says to the customs people "Look, I am a fine upstanding citizen of Canada and I do not attack people. I use these knives as tools around the house. You can look me up and my family can vouch for me that I am a kind man." Is that meaningless in their eyes?
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:Now let me ask you a question about this in the form of three hypothetical Spyderco customers, each of them from Canada.
Now, say each of these Canadians has travelled to Colorado for a nice US visit, and went to the Spyderco Outlet store in Golden, Colorado. Each of them fall in love with the Spyderco Endura, Delica, Military and Paramilitary. Each man purchases one of each after having a great visit and tour there.
1 First man puts his four treasures in his CHECKED BAGGAGE, and boards the plane. Will these new laws almost guarantee that when he gets his checked baggage after arriving home in Canada, his knives will have been confiscated by customs?
2 Second man packs his four folders into a suitcase and drives to and from Canada in a car or van.
3 Third man arrives in Golden, buys his knives, and mails them back to his home.
With these new customs laws, are you saying that in all three scenarios, this Canadian man will have his knives confiscated and he has no legal recourse to get them returned to him?
What if he says to the customs people "Look, I am a fine upstanding citizen of Canada and I do not attack people. I use these knives as tools around the house. You can look me up and my family can vouch for me that I am a kind man." Is that meaningless in their eyes?
Good post.
Who the **** knows what will happen in reality?
I AM travelling from Toronto to the San Fran area on business in a week and have had a Spyderco and a ZT shipped to my hotel. I will be bringing them both back in my checked baggage.
Neither are flippers and both pivots will be well tightened. The ZT has an Emerson Wave and the Spyderco obviously has a Spydie hole. We shall see....
