MAP policy change? 35%

[FCM415]

I just scored a brand new fluted CF Native 5 for $185 from a private seller thank God.

Brand spakning new? Congrats.

Thanks. That's what the listing and pictures suggest. Appears to be flawless.

Congrats,
I am officially jealous :)

I couldnt pass it up knowing that I will buy one eventually anyway.

[RamZar]

I just scored a brand new fluted CF Native 5 for $185 from a private seller thank God.

Brand spakning new? Congrats.

Thanks. That's what the listing and pictures suggest. Appears to be flawless.

Congrats,
I am officially jealous :)

I couldnt pass it up knowing that I will buy one eventually anyway.

It's the Numero Uno of practical Natives. My Anniversary Edition Fluted CF is superior but I'd never use it as a knife because I like the simpler less gaudy looks of the regular Fluted CF. For even more superlative understated looks I'd go with the KC exclusive one which is great, practical, inexpensive for the features and unique.

[tripscheck'em]

Looks like blade hq is already upping the price of the maxamet PM2 when it is actually in stock. Cool. $189.97

Haha, yep. Screw this industry. Spyderco can burn before I buy another one, I only bought 1 knife, a sprint (XHP manix) since the MAP bc I knew this was coming. "Dealers" are scum. Enjoying a good ol Buck I bought from Walmart, the scummiest of them all. Walmart got so terrible that they had to be kinda ethical, it's all those small dealers you have to worry about, like bladehq and knifecenter.

Not sticking up for Amazon, but I've watched them constantly and I have never seen a knife sell below MAP.

[tripscheck'em]

Interesting thread.

I get the impression that many of you would be happier if we made all of our knives in China (cheap) and only sold to Walmart & Amazon (cheap) so YOU can get what YOU want as cheaply as possible? Or maybe we could get our crew, dealers, advertisers, shippers, suppliers, etc., to work for free?

It is our dealers that have asked us to do this. Not just B&M stores, but internet as well. Internet dealers have thanked us for doing it. The very same dealers that you get our knives from. Surely you aren't saying that you don't care about them, are you?

We don't make any more money from map. In fact it costs us more to monitor and enforce. Please try to broaden your understanding of production and distribution. You will have greater appreciation for what it takes to get you our product.

sal

No, I don't care about the dealers because they add 0 value to the product. They are nothing more than conniving merchants.

Not sure why you're threatening China when you have a massive plant there already, one in Taiwan, and another in Japan that is seemingly incapable of getting it's QC under control, though we're supposed to pay $200+ for its s30v lol.

At least two major internet dealers (knifeworks and cutleryshoppe) protested the initial MAP back when I used them to buy your knives. I doubt we couldn't find more.

Your post and it's disingenuous nature make me even gladder that I went over to Buck. They too have plants in China and America, but their s30v can be had for $60. Someone at Spyderco is sitting fat, smug, and heavily with their fat finger mashed on the button while the rest of us rub pennies together. Good riddance.

[Surfingringo]

Interesting thread.

I get the impression that many of you would be happier if we made all of our knives in China (cheap) and only sold to Walmart & Amazon (cheap) so YOU can get what YOU want as cheaply as possible? Or maybe we could get our crew, dealers, advertisers, shippers, suppliers, etc., to work for free?

It is our dealers that have asked us to do this. Not just B&M stores, but internet as well. Internet dealers have thanked us for doing it. The very same dealers that you get our knives from. Surely you aren't saying that you don't care about them, are you?

We don't make any more money from map. In fact it costs us more to monitor and enforce. Please try to broaden your understanding of production and distribution. You will have greater appreciation for what it takes to get you our product.

sal

No, I don't care about the dealers because they add 0 value to the product. They are nothing more than conniving merchants.

Not sure why you're threatening China when you have a massive plant there already, one in Taiwan, and another in Japan that is seemingly incapable of getting it's QC under control, though we're supposed to pay $200+ for its s30v lol.

At least two major internet dealers (knifeworks and cutleryshoppe) protested the initial MAP back when I used them to buy your knives. I doubt we couldn't find more.

Your post and it's disingenuous nature make me even gladder that I went over to Buck. They too have plants in China and America, but their s30v can be had for $60. Someone at Spyderco is sitting fat, smug, and heavily with their fat finger mashed on the button while the rest of us rub pennies together. Good riddance.

I thought you were a Buck man now? Sure seems like a lot of time and energy to waste bemoaning the pricing strategy of a company you claim to not even be interested in. As far as rubbing pennies together? Nah, not me. I’m doing pretty well actually. Of course, I try to use my time constructively. Just an idea.

[tripscheck'em]

Interesting thread.

I get the impression that many of you would be happier if we made all of our knives in China (cheap) and only sold to Walmart & Amazon (cheap) so YOU can get what YOU want as cheaply as possible? Or maybe we could get our crew, dealers, advertisers, shippers, suppliers, etc., to work for free?

It is our dealers that have asked us to do this. Not just B&M stores, but internet as well. Internet dealers have thanked us for doing it. The very same dealers that you get our knives from. Surely you aren't saying that you don't care about them, are you?

We don't make any more money from map. In fact it costs us more to monitor and enforce. Please try to broaden your understanding of production and distribution. You will have greater appreciation for what it takes to get you our product.

sal

No, I don't care about the dealers because they add 0 value to the product. They are nothing more than conniving merchants.

Not sure why you're threatening China when you have a massive plant there already, one in Taiwan, and another in Japan that is seemingly incapable of getting it's QC under control, though we're supposed to pay $200+ for its s30v lol.

At least two major internet dealers (knifeworks and cutleryshoppe) protested the initial MAP back when I used them to buy your knives. I doubt we couldn't find more.

Your post and it's disingenuous nature make me even gladder that I went over to Buck. They too have plants in China and America, but their s30v can be had for $60. Someone at Spyderco is sitting fat, smug, and heavily with their fat finger mashed on the button while the rest of us rub pennies together. Good riddance.

I thought you were a Buck man now? Sure seems like a lot of time and energy to waste bemoaning the pricing strategy of a company you claim to not even be interested in. As far as rubbing pennies together? Nah, not me. I’m doing pretty well actually. Of course, I try to use my time constructively. Just an idea.

Well ******, let me spell it out for you; I was a Spyderco enthusiast, but like Cliff Stamp, became disillusioned with this company when it went full pocket jewelry once this forum became populated with mindless, overpaid shills like you, so I switched companies. Glad to see I've been proven correct. You enjoy taking it *********.

*EDITED - TazKristi*

[Surfingringo]

Well ******, let me spell it out for you; I was a Spyderco enthusiast, but like Cliff Stamp, became disillusioned with this company when it went full pocket jewelry once this forum became populated with mindless, overpaid shills like you, so I switched companies. Glad to see I've been proven correct. You enjoy taking it *******.

With all due respect Trips, you are nothing like Cliff Stamp. Cliff is a very intelligent knife enthusiast who has done a great deal of testing. He was always able to offer salient viewpoints and data and never resorted to personal or ad hominem attacks, even when discussing highly contentious subjects. His interaction is also missed by many around here, including myself. As I said, the two of you have little in common.

*EDITED Quote- TazKristi*

[Tdog]

Interesting thread.

I get the impression that many of you would be happier if we made all of our knives in China (cheap) and only sold to Walmart & Amazon (cheap) so YOU can get what YOU want as cheaply as possible? Or maybe we could get our crew, dealers, advertisers, shippers, suppliers, etc., to work for free?

It is our dealers that have asked us to do this. Not just B&M stores, but internet as well. Internet dealers have thanked us for doing it. The very same dealers that you get our knives from. Surely you aren't saying that you don't care about them, are you?

We don't make any more money from map. In fact it costs us more to monitor and enforce. Please try to broaden your understanding of production and distribution. You will have greater appreciation for what it takes to get you our product.

sal

No, I don't care about the dealers because they add 0 value to the product. They are nothing more than conniving merchants.

Not sure why you're threatening China when you have a massive plant there already, one in Taiwan, and another in Japan that is seemingly incapable of getting it's QC under control, though we're supposed to pay $200+ for its s30v lol.

At least two major internet dealers (knifeworks and cutleryshoppe) protested the initial MAP back when I used them to buy your knives. I doubt we couldn't find more.

Your post and it's disingenuous nature make me even gladder that I went over to Buck. They too have plants in China and America, but their s30v can be had for $60. Someone at Spyderco is sitting fat, smug, and heavily with their fat finger mashed on the button while the rest of us rub pennies together. Good riddance.

I thought you were a Buck man now? Sure seems like a lot of time and energy to waste bemoaning the pricing strategy of a company you claim to not even be interested in. As far as rubbing pennies together? Nah, not me. I’m doing pretty well actually. Of course, I try to use my time constructively. Just an idea.

Well ******, let me spell it out for you; I was a Spyderco enthusiast, but like Cliff Stamp, became disillusioned with this company when it went full pocket jewelry once this forum became populated with mindless, overpaid shills like you, so I switched companies. Glad to see I've been proven correct. You enjoy taking it *******.

Trips, for one who seems to be so disappointed with Spyderco, it's forum members, and owner, perhaps your time would be better spent on another forum? I don't think any of us want to see price increases, but these things happen. If your limit has been met perhaps it's time to move on? Have a happy, healthy, and safe New Year. I too miss Cliff's presence and discussion on the forum. While often more technical in nature than I need, he has a wealth of information supported by empirical data.

*EDITED Quote - TazKristi*

[bouhunter]

I will still be buying Spyderco's

[bouhunter]

Interesting thread.

I get the impression that many of you would be happier if we made all of our knives in China (cheap) and only sold to Walmart & Amazon (cheap) so YOU can get what YOU want as cheaply as possible? Or maybe we could get our crew, dealers, advertisers, shippers, suppliers, etc., to work for free?

It is our dealers that have asked us to do this. Not just B&M stores, but internet as well. Internet dealers have thanked us for doing it. The very same dealers that you get our knives from. Surely you aren't saying that you don't care about them, are you?

We don't make any more money from map. In fact it costs us more to monitor and enforce. Please try to broaden your understanding of production and distribution. You will have greater appreciation for what it takes to get you our product.

sal

No, I don't care about the dealers because they add 0 value to the product. They are nothing more than conniving merchants.

Not sure why you're threatening China when you have a massive plant there already, one in Taiwan, and another in Japan that is seemingly incapable of getting it's QC under control, though we're supposed to pay $200+ for its s30v lol.

At least two major internet dealers (knifeworks and cutleryshoppe) protested the initial MAP back when I used them to buy your knives. I doubt we couldn't find more.

Your post and it's disingenuous nature make me even gladder that I went over to Buck. They too have plants in China and America, but their s30v can be had for $60. Someone at Spyderco is sitting fat, smug, and heavily with their fat finger mashed on the button while the rest of us rub pennies together. Good riddance.

I thought you were a Buck man now? Sure seems like a lot of time and energy to waste bemoaning the pricing strategy of a company you claim to not even be interested in. As far as rubbing pennies together? Nah, not me. I’m doing pretty well actually. Of course, I try to use my time constructively. Just an idea.

Well ******, let me spell it out for you; I was a Spyderco enthusiast, but like Cliff Stamp, became disillusioned with this company when it went full pocket jewelry once this forum became populated with mindless, overpaid shills like you, so I switched companies. Glad to see I've been proven correct. You enjoy taking it ******.

Thanks for the laugh.

*EDITED Quote - TazKristi*

[ABX2011]

Trips, go spew your vitriol somewhere else.

[bouhunter]

Yes indeed.

[bouhunter]

Clean it up mods :)

[Johnnie1801]

A question for you guys, will the recent corporation tax cuts (from 38% to 21% in th US) affect Spyderco, the dealers and distributors and will MAP even be necessary?

[Tdog]

A question for you guys, will the recent corporation tax cuts (from 38% to 21% in th US) affect Spyderco, the dealers and distributors and will MAP even be necessary?

Great question, not sure if some of the dealers/businesses are incorporated or what implications it has for smaller corporations but I see where many larger corporations are already giving their employees bonuses and raises. If individually I have more disposable income because of a reduction in my income taxes, I have an idea where some of it may go..... :spyder: :D

[bearfacedkiller]

You have already started a thread where you flounced out of here. While it is often tempting to turn around and come back or look over your shoulder while flouncing it is poor form and should be resisted. Posting in this thread is a flounce fail. Of course flouncing in the first place is already a fail. I guess you realize that now and that is why you have come back to stomp your feet.

//forum.spyderco.com/viewto ... 7#p1186667

I too miss Cliff's contributions to the forum but I cannot say the same about Trips. Cliff was nothing like Trips, he contributed a wealth of information and did not attack people or use hate speech. I welcome Cliff back and feel we lost a valuable and generous contributor to the forum.

Trips, you know where the door is and if you ever decide to treat people with respect we will still be here. If you are going to call people names and use hate speech then feel free to take it elsewhere. Open discourse about pricing is welcome and we have done a lot of it. What you are doing is not.

[PaleMoon]

It should be pretty obvious to everyone right now that Trips is a faker; he posts a thread about making so much money and leaving the forum/Spyderco for good, only to return a few weeks later and whine about the MAP increase. Don't bother.

[Jefft51]

I don't like MAP policy in general but I won't go into debating it here.
To me it seems pretty simple, if you don't like the price or quality, DON"T BUY IT.
Supply and demand and competition regulate the prices.
Internet trolls are a price of free speech, but they certainly can and should be kicked off of private forums.
My opinion anyway. :)
Jeff

[SharpieB]

Interesting thread.

I get the impression that many of you would be happier if we made all of our knives in China (cheap) and only sold to Walmart & Amazon (cheap) so YOU can get what YOU want as cheaply as possible? Or maybe we could get our crew, dealers, advertisers, shippers, suppliers, etc., to work for free?

It is our dealers that have asked us to do this. Not just B&M stores, but internet as well. Internet dealers have thanked us for doing it. The very same dealers that you get our knives from. Surely you aren't saying that you don't care about them, are you?

We don't make any more money from map. In fact it costs us more to monitor and enforce. Please try to broaden your understanding of production and distribution. You will have greater appreciation for what it takes to get you our product.

sal

No, I don't care about the dealers because they add 0 value to the product. They are nothing more than conniving merchants.

Not sure why you're threatening China when you have a massive plant there already, one in Taiwan, and another in Japan that is seemingly incapable of getting it's QC under control, though we're supposed to pay $200+ for its s30v lol.

At least two major internet dealers (knifeworks and cutleryshoppe) protested the initial MAP back when I used them to buy your knives. I doubt we couldn't find more.

Your post and it's disingenuous nature make me even gladder that I went over to Buck. They too have plants in China and America, but their s30v can be had for $60. Someone at Spyderco is sitting fat, smug, and heavily with their fat finger mashed on the button while the rest of us rub pennies together. Good riddance.

I thought you were a Buck man now? Sure seems like a lot of time and energy to waste bemoaning the pricing strategy of a company you claim to not even be interested in. As far as rubbing pennies together? Nah, not me. I’m doing pretty well actually. Of course, I try to use my time constructively. Just an idea.

Well ******.... You enjoy taking it ******.

That’s classy. You seem like someone that everyone would want to hang out with. Nice comments about a little pricing change on knives you won’t even be buying. *****.

*EDITED - TazKristi*

[sal]

Hi Jeff,

Welcome to our forum.

We try not to kick people off or close threads. I think you will find that the group that tends to hang out here is quite effective at keeping "their" forum civil.

sal